Why no PSU series?
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Joe Paterno killed the series in a nutshell. Held a grudge his whole life about the conference he had in mind that Pitt didn't join. Then he tried saying the only way it was possible was if Pitt came to Penn State twice for every game in Pittsburgh. He seriously tried to claim it was because they needed money for club sports or something minor like that. So yes it was a total grudge.
Current day - the hostility is so high between the two fanbases it's just gonna be ugly at next year's game. I really don't even think this comeback of the rivalry will last as long as it's supposed to. Both fanbases are so sick of the other that to be honest, neither even wants anything to with the other. It's that bad.
Current day - the hostility is so high between the two fanbases it's just gonna be ugly at next year's game. I really don't even think this comeback of the rivalry will last as long as it's supposed to. Both fanbases are so sick of the other that to be honest, neither even wants anything to with the other. It's that bad.
Both schools are "state related" not 100% state run/funded. That is one obstacle. A second is too many PSU alums live in the state who aren't supportive of a renewal of the rivalry. This translates into not enough political interest if forcing the game to be played.
It's a shame.
It's a shame.
They'd rather build their instate rivalry with Temple though now that Temple finally punched the bully back they'll likely stop playing them after the current series ends too. Maybe Bucknell or IUP will be next?
Actually just saw on the PSU board a thread about this. They claim they don't need us, but we need them. Apparently because our athletic department has no money and it would be a waste of time for them.
I think it used to be one of the best rivalries in the game. However, with the way the Nitters are anymore, NO WAY! I'm excited for next year's game, but I really don't want Penn Staters here. It's not worth listening to them and is a no win situation. Seriously, if we lose we'll never hear the end of it. If we win, it clearly won't be because of anything we did in their minds. They'll just make up excuses and cry about it.
What's funny is they really think Temple is some powerhouse now. They have a Penn State alum as coach, so they're obviously the best non P5 team in the country. I'm not making this up, they really think Temple is that good.
I'm sure you have seen PoSU's OOC schedule. They will not play anyone that may have a chance of beating them. Now that Temple humiliated them, I'm sure they will not be scheduled again. I'm sure they will try to start an in state rivalry with Villanova or Lehigh.
We can't keep enough elected officials in Pennsylvania in jail at one time so we are forced to keep them in office or on PSU's Board of Directors. Crap in, crap out.
The dynamic, as I'm sure you well know as an Iowa Hawkeye fan, is about to change as we go to a 9-game conference schedule.
All B1G schools will ideally be wanting 7 home games per year. 9 conference games means room for only 1 home-and-home every year, then 2 buy games per year.
Iowa of course plays ISU every year. Unless you either (a) don't play 7 home games in a year, or (b) get away from that Iowa State series being annual, you will never again see an interesting non-Cyclone OOC opponent in Iowa City.
Penn State plays Pittsburgh in the 2016-2019 time frame, but I don't want it to be annual beyond that. A couple times every decade, sure. But if it becomes annual --- we'll become like you guys with Iowa State, never again seeing an interesting non-Panther OOC opponent in State College.
As you said, the dynamic you explained WILL change. Perhaps a bit of enlightenment on the reasons that forced PSU's hand to drop it in the 90's? (Oh and lol on the "interesting" OOC opponent in State College comment.)
Scheduling contracts require a mutual agreement, and Penn State did not think it was in its best interests to continue with an annual series after 1992. Nothing "forced our hand", it was simply Penn State's decision.
We're on each other's schedules in each of 2016, 2017, 2018, and 2019. I look forward to those games and I look forward to the future. Fair enough if one wants to obsess about the past, and the specific role of now-departed individuals in our series not continuing after 1992.
Here's the link to that thread. I replied to their claims in an adult way. Can't wait to see how I get crushed over there...
http://bwi.forums.rivals.com/threads/we-dont-need-pitt.40423/#post-537534
http://bwi.forums.rivals.com/threads/we-dont-need-pitt.40423/#post-537534
Yep exactly the thread I was talking about. It's amazing how these people's minds work over there.
LOL. Ok. Unless I'm wrong the thread was about why Pitt/PSU don't play each other annually, right? Don't think anyone (including yourself who responded) is "obsessing".
In a nutshell, the series died due to Penn State's arrogance and Joe Paterno's petty vindictiveness.
They've been in the Big Ten/BiG long enough that you guys should be fully aware of how arrogant and condescending they are to pretty much everybody. They truly believe their marketing catch phrases like "Success with Honor". Even with the disgrace of the Sandusky tragedy, where their university decided to put the image of the football program above the well being of children being abused in the PSU football building, their fans still think PSU is some pristine institution.
As an aside, Paterno never forgave Pitt for winning a MNC before he did.
They've been in the Big Ten/BiG long enough that you guys should be fully aware of how arrogant and condescending they are to pretty much everybody. They truly believe their marketing catch phrases like "Success with Honor". Even with the disgrace of the Sandusky tragedy, where their university decided to put the image of the football program above the well being of children being abused in the PSU football building, their fans still think PSU is some pristine institution.
As an aside, Paterno never forgave Pitt for winning a MNC before he did.
Do you think Penn State fans care more about teams like Buffalo, SDSU, UMASS, E. MICH, etc. that they do PITT? Penn State is supposed to be one of the "blue bloods" of CFB, why not play a schedule reflective of that instead of using low-quality wins as a compass for the direction of the program?
As you well know, those are all buy games. Buy games will nearly universally come from non-Power 5 conferences.
Since 2005, Penn State has played neutral site or home-and-home series with UCF, Syracuse, Virginia, Temple, Alabama and Notre Dame. In 2016-2019, we will play Pittsburgh. I do wish we had a little more geographic diversity in the OOC schedule (e.g., schedule a series which takes us out west), but overall I'm comfortable with our OOC schedule over the last decade.
Simple...Bitter old man...
here is the best description of why....(I know everyone on here hates Cook but I keep this one in my favorites)
http://old.post-gazette.com/sports/columnists/20000912cook2.asp
Most telling line that is always, I mean always forgotten by the nitters....
It doesn't matter that Pitt didn't join the Big East until after Penn State had applied and been rejected.
Simple answers:
1. Paterno killed the series because Pitt joined the Big East instead of the eastern conference that he was trying to form -- after the Big East rejected Penn State.
2. With regard to the current administration, Franklin wants bankable wins on the non-conference schedule, and Penn State believes that it can sell enough tickets without name opponents. I'm not saying that Pitt would regularly beat Penn State, but a rivalry game presents a greater risk of losing than a rent-a-victim.
Being truthful, I really dont care to see the Pitt/PSU game being annually. Its really just another game no different than playing Iowa. PSU has pretty much been a mediocre regional team for a few decades (almost as long as Pitt) and the campus is based in the middle of nowhere with absolutely nothing to do. Beaver Stadium is also a large high school stadium in terms of quality (and not the new Texas HS stadium kind) with a gas station for "amenities", bleacher seats, and cow shit in the parking lots.
Ultimately, Pitt would want the game for the financial benefit and frankly that is about it. PSU has one of the largest student and alumni bases because of the community colleges PSU operates. Franklin's track record at Vanderbilt was to schedule very poor opponents OOC to collect wins, which also has been PSUs strategy as well with playing typically one of the weakest OOC schedules in college football. With the Big10 going to only 3 OOC games to protect their teams, Penn State will be attempting to get 3 home games every other year...which means buying wins from weak teams willing to give that to them (Temple being a good example from a non-P5, though that series could disappear given the results in this years game).
Pitt needs to play more national teams than Penn State in hopefully better locations worth traveling too and less "redneckish" given the secluded/cultish area of Pennsyltucky where State College resides. Will also be good to not have to return there given the way some of my black friends were treated in years past there. Was eye opening sadly.
Ultimately, Pitt would want the game for the financial benefit and frankly that is about it. PSU has one of the largest student and alumni bases because of the community colleges PSU operates. Franklin's track record at Vanderbilt was to schedule very poor opponents OOC to collect wins, which also has been PSUs strategy as well with playing typically one of the weakest OOC schedules in college football. With the Big10 going to only 3 OOC games to protect their teams, Penn State will be attempting to get 3 home games every other year...which means buying wins from weak teams willing to give that to them (Temple being a good example from a non-P5, though that series could disappear given the results in this years game).
Pitt needs to play more national teams than Penn State in hopefully better locations worth traveling too and less "redneckish" given the secluded/cultish area of Pennsyltucky where State College resides. Will also be good to not have to return there given the way some of my black friends were treated in years past there. Was eye opening sadly.
And so you are on our site telling us this!
LOL + why would a ups fan/alum in Philly care about the PITT/ups game?
LOL + why would a ups fan/alum in Philly care about the PITT/ups game?
Your original response was fair and on the surface well reasoned and probably accurate. In theory. I say this because in actuality. Until uou play Pitt next year. PSU has not played anyone even remotely "interesting". And this was even justified by your ADs comments.
"Being truthful, I really don't care to see the Pitt/PSU game being annually. Its really just another game no different than playing Iowa"....but yet you pen three paragraphs disparaging (correctly, I might add) them. With all due respect, I don't think you are being truthful at all. You do care. Let the hate out for it is good.
Actually, I already have people wanting to buy my club seats for the game next year..and they will go to the highest bidder. If it was ND like this year, there is no chance I'm selling those games (never have, never will). ND has that national appeal and we have played them pretty consistently over our long and recent history. ND is also close to Chicago, which makes for a good weekend between the game in South Bend and immediately leave to go back into Chicago for a night.
I'm kind of over it. It's not a rivalry outside of the older members of the fan base.
PoSU wants an easy win so they can feel good about themselves. They don't care who they play, as long as it is someone they know they can beat. Every once in a while, they will schedule an Alabama to see where they are, but since OSU is on the rise, there is no need to even do that.
I started reading that PoSU thread until the one idiot called Pittsburgh that city with the rapist QB. Wow, apparently he isn't out of his closet long enough to see what is happening around him. I can never understand how anyone can really be that stupid. I never think it's possible, then I listen to them and I'm totally amazed.
I started reading that PoSU thread until the one idiot called Pittsburgh that city with the rapist QB. Wow, apparently he isn't out of his closet long enough to see what is happening around him. I can never understand how anyone can really be that stupid. I never think it's possible, then I listen to them and I'm totally amazed.
I hear what you're saying, and Temple is definitely on the major upswing compared to where they were. They are not though, and I quote someone on the PSU board, "better than everyone on Pitt's nonconference schedule."
That's all I'm saying. They really think they are better than Notre Dame and Iowa. Which is actually quite contradicting, cause they always say how superior the Big Ten is.
Hmmm... I got it, the Big Ten should invite Temple! Just swap them for Iowa, apparently that would make the conference the best football has ever seen.
It is totally amazing to me how truly stupid people can actually think they are above everyone. I like reading the OSU and Michigan boards since that rivalry may be alive again. It is funny how they BOTH refer to penn state as PoSU. They remind me of a guy I know. He is a total piece of crap and is about the dumbest person I have ever met, no one likes him. Yet he thinks he is one of the smartest people and everyone just loves him. I think we all know people like that. They have an entire group of people that are like this.
The Iowa-Iowa State series resumed back in 1977 and alternates yearly. This year was in Ames and next in Iowa City.
So tired of PSU's unwarranted arrogance. Since 2000, PSU has just 7 more wins than Pitt.
Sick of them as well. Someone on their board yesterday literally said 12-0 in 2000 was the biggest win in the history of our program and that was their worst team ever. You really can't make this stuff up. Worst team ever? Where was he just 3-4 years later in 2003 and 2004? Not to mention we've had much bigger wins before and after that game.
