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Why The Big Ten Title Game Is Another Example Of College Football's Disorganization, LINK!

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OUCH...for the Big Ten and Penn State and Wisconsin as Yahoo Sports weighs in and proving why Penn State may be the most disrespected Team in the Top 10? If Franklin can beat Wisconsin it will be interesting to see how Penn State will do in their Bowl too, but most are putting the Nittany Lions against MAC Western Michigan, again, more disrespect?
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The conference championship game was a made-for-television creation designed to solve another made-for-television creation: conference expansion.........

Confused? So is the Big Ten. Here in a season of its grandest revival, the Big Ten will stage its championship game Saturday night in Indianapolis with no guarantee that the winner will advance to the College Football Playoff.

This is because the team almost everyone deems the league’s best is sitting at home. Wisconsin and Penn State will play for a trophy and a forever accomplishment. Other than that, no one knows what it means, if anything.

Meanwhile Ohio State, No. 2 in the national rankings but ostensibly/officially No. 3 in the league, is quite pleased to be relaxing back in Columbus … watching on television with nothing to lose. The Buckeyes’ 11-1 record with victories over Michigan, Wisconsin and non-league Oklahoma make them confident they have done enough to earn a playoff berth next Sunday. Should they be this secure? Who knows? This will be debated ad nauseam this week, particularly in comparison to Penn State.

Penn State and Wisconsin can’t do better than 11-2. The Lions will own a victory over Ohio State, but also setbacks to Michigan and non-league Pitt. Wisconsin will have beaten Penn State and out-of-conference LSU, but also lost to Ohio State and Michigan.

Michigan is also at 10-2 – with two excruciatingly close road losses – and boast head-to-head victories over both Penn State and Wisconsin (plus Colorado in non-league play). As such, the Wolverines actually have a better résumé for the selection committee than whoever actually wins the Big Ten. This is despite that Michigan is third … in its division.

Again, confused? The problem is the Big Ten is really the Big Fourteen.

That means two completely unbalanced seven-team divisions, disparate schedules, a lack of commonality and, as such, no idea who the heck are actually the league’s two best teams – yet with a title game construct featuring supposedly just that. All this while trying to operate under the national playoff system that everyone cares a heck of a lot more about than a league championship.

It’s not unlike college basketball where top teams are often relieved when they get knocked out of their made-for-television conference tournament. Better to rest up for the Big Dance than care about the little one. Outside of smaller leagues, almost no one cares about those things anymore.

You could say this is a sad end to some sepia-toned tradition, when Midwest schools cared about nothing else but reaching the Rose Bowl. And you could feel bad that a simpler time was lost to evolution. But no one forced the Big Ten to expand and expand and expand to the point where a conference title game became a necessity, not just an economic engine.

The Big Ten and it alone created this. Besides, it was never clean and tidy. In 1973, after Ohio State and Michigan played to a 10-10 tie to finish the season with identical 10-0-1 records, the league’s athletic directors voted the Buckeyes should represent the conference in Pasadena. Yes, a vote. Can you imagine that disaster in the modern media world?

LINK:
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/why-th...lege-footballs-disorganization-185310435.html
 
OUCH...for the Big Ten and Penn State and Wisconsin as Yahoo Sports weighs in and proving why Penn State may be the most disrespected Team in the Top 10? If Franklin can beat Wisconsin it will be interesting to see how Penn State will do in their Bowl too, but most are putting the Nittany Lions against MAC Western Michigan, again, more disrespect?
Excerpts:

The conference championship game was a made-for-television creation designed to solve another made-for-television creation: conference expansion.........

Confused? So is the Big Ten. Here in a season of its grandest revival, the Big Ten will stage its championship game Saturday night in Indianapolis with no guarantee that the winner will advance to the College Football Playoff.

This is because the team almost everyone deems the league’s best is sitting at home. Wisconsin and Penn State will play for a trophy and a forever accomplishment. Other than that, no one knows what it means, if anything.

Meanwhile Ohio State, No. 2 in the national rankings but ostensibly/officially No. 3 in the league, is quite pleased to be relaxing back in Columbus … watching on television with nothing to lose. The Buckeyes’ 11-1 record with victories over Michigan, Wisconsin and non-league Oklahoma make them confident they have done enough to earn a playoff berth next Sunday. Should they be this secure? Who knows? This will be debated ad nauseam this week, particularly in comparison to Penn State.

Penn State and Wisconsin can’t do better than 11-2. The Lions will own a victory over Ohio State, but also setbacks to Michigan and non-league Pitt. Wisconsin will have beaten Penn State and out-of-conference LSU, but also lost to Ohio State and Michigan.

Michigan is also at 10-2 – with two excruciatingly close road losses – and boast head-to-head victories over both Penn State and Wisconsin (plus Colorado in non-league play). As such, the Wolverines actually have a better résumé for the selection committee than whoever actually wins the Big Ten. This is despite that Michigan is third … in its division.

Again, confused? The problem is the Big Ten is really the Big Fourteen.

That means two completely unbalanced seven-team divisions, disparate schedules, a lack of commonality and, as such, no idea who the heck are actually the league’s two best teams – yet with a title game construct featuring supposedly just that. All this while trying to operate under the national playoff system that everyone cares a heck of a lot more about than a league championship.

It’s not unlike college basketball where top teams are often relieved when they get knocked out of their made-for-television conference tournament. Better to rest up for the Big Dance than care about the little one. Outside of smaller leagues, almost no one cares about those things anymore.

You could say this is a sad end to some sepia-toned tradition, when Midwest schools cared about nothing else but reaching the Rose Bowl. And you could feel bad that a simpler time was lost to evolution. But no one forced the Big Ten to expand and expand and expand to the point where a conference title game became a necessity, not just an economic engine.

The Big Ten and it alone created this. Besides, it was never clean and tidy. In 1973, after Ohio State and Michigan played to a 10-10 tie to finish the season with identical 10-0-1 records, the league’s athletic directors voted the Buckeyes should represent the conference in Pasadena. Yes, a vote. Can you imagine that disaster in the modern media world?

LINK:
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/why-th...lege-footballs-disorganization-185310435.html

-I dont think so. I think Penn State is a playoff lock with a win over Wisconsin. Penn State would then have a win over the Top Big Ten East team Ohio State, the top two teams in the Big Ten West with Wisconsin and Iowa, a 9-1 Big Ten Record which is the best in the conference, and a Conference Title with 2 wins over Top 5 teams. They also own the tiebreaker by beating Ohio State. And, Pitt and Iowa are now both ranked. And after Iowa demolished Nebraska and beat Michigan and Penn State demolished Iowa, obviously that should carry some weight too.

-Bama, Clemson, Washington, Penn State is your playoff if those 4 win conference titles. Homer Herbstreit can cry a river. The Conference Championship carries the most weight.
 
I'm not confused at at all. Ped States schedule is a joke. Not because I don't like them but it's the truth. For god sakes PLAY SOMEBODY! They have no one to blame but themselves..
 
"steel_curtain, post: 1683838, member: 5476"]-I dont think so. I think Penn State at 11-2 is a playoff lock with a win over Wisconsin 10-3. Penn State would then have a win over the Top Big Ten East team Ohio State 11-1 That Beat #7 OU, #5 Michigan, #6 Wisconsin, and #23 Nebraska, the top two teams in the Big Ten West with Wisconsin 10-3 and Iowa 8-4, a 9-1??? Big Ten Record which is the best in the conference, and a Conference Title with 2 wins over Top 5 teams. They also own the tiebreaker by beating #2 Ohio State. And, Lost #24 Pitt 8-4 and Beat #22 Iowa 8-4 are now both ranked. And after Iowa demolished Nebraska 9-3 and beat #5 Michigan by one 10-2 and #8 Penn State 10-2 demolished Iowa 8-4, obviously that should carry some weight too. Even though 10-2 #5 Michigan demolished 10-2 #8 Penn State 49-10, Beat 10-2 #9 Colorado 45-28, and 10-2 #6 Wisconsin 14-7.

-Bama, Clemson, Washington, Penn State is your playoff if those 4 win conference titles. Homer Herbstreit can cry a river. The Conference Championship carries the most weight.
Looks different when one adds in the records and Teams played by Michigan and Ohio State and Wisconsin! And if #6 Wisconsin 11-2 beats #8 Penn State 10-3 #6 Wisconsin should get in too OVER #2 Ohio State , even though #6 Wisconsin lost to #2 Ohio State & #5 Michigan, Head To Head, Unlike #2 Ohio State Lost Head To Head to #8 Penn State???
 
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I'm not confused at at all. Ped States schedule is a joke. Not because I don't like them but it's the truth. For god sakes PLAY SOMEBODY! They have no one to blame but themselves..

The schedule isn't the problem. They played 3 Top 10 teams and several more respectable bowl teams. Iowa & Pitt are in the Top 25. The problem is they lost to us and they got trounced at Michigan.
 
Ohio State is in, no doubt about it. They're not dropping from #2 this week. Penn State nor Wisconsin will get in unless one of Clemson, bama, or Washington loses.
 
Ohio State is in, no doubt about it. They're not dropping from #2 this week. Penn State nor Wisconsin will get in unless one of Clemson, bama, or Washington loses.

-Its exactly what happened 2 years ago. Week 13, TCU is sitting 3rd in the playoff picture at 10-1. Week 14, TCU drops to 6th and is left out. TCU won its last 2 games 48-10 and 55-3. And got passed by 3 teams. TCU finished 11-1, with no conference Championship win.
 
-Its exactly what happened 2 years ago. Week 13, TCU is sitting 3rd in the playoff picture at 10-1. Week 14, TCU drops to 6th and is left out. TCU won its last 2 games 48-10 and 55-3. And got passed by 3 teams. TCU finished 11-1, with no conference Championship win.
Yeah, a 1 loss OSU passed a 1 loss TCU. But, TCU had 0 wins vs top 10 teams, and 2 wins vs Top 25. OSU had wins over 1 top 10 team and 3 total top 25s, including the same Minnesota team TCU beat.

They also got leapfrogged by an undefeated FSU team. FSU also had 0 top 10 wins and 3 wins vs Top 25.

The OSU/PSU/UM triangle is much more complicated.
- OSU has only 1 loss and more quality wins than PSU. They also have the tiebreaker over UM.
- UM has 2 losses, but both are to top 10 teams. They own a crushing tiebreaker over PSU. The also have 3 top 10 wins vs 2 for OSU and 2 for PSU (if they beat Wisconsin).
- PSU has 2 losses, 1 to top 10, the other to (possible) top 25. They own the tiebreaker over OSU.
 
Yeah, a 1 loss OSU passed a 1 loss TCU. But, TCU had 0 wins vs top 10 teams, and 2 wins vs Top 25. OSU had wins over 1 top 10 team and 3 total top 25s, including the same Minnesota team TCU beat.

They also got leapfrogged by an undefeated FSU team. FSU also had 0 top 10 wins and 3 wins vs Top 25.

The OSU/PSU/UM triangle is much more complicated.
- OSU has only 1 loss and more quality wins than PSU. They also have the tiebreaker over UM.
- UM has 2 losses, but both are to top 10 teams. They own a crushing tiebreaker over PSU. The also have 3 top 10 wins vs 2 for OSU and 2 for PSU (if they beat Wisconsin).
- PSU has 2 losses, 1 to top 10, the other to (possible) top 25. They own the tiebreaker over OSU.
-In the link I just posted in the PSU thread with link, it is mentioned not once but twice conference championship pulls by far the most weight with selection. Whether people agree with that or not it is outlined. I happen to agree with it as long as it isn't a 3 loss conference winner.
 
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