That's a very valid point. There's no rule against it. They should be penalized for in-person scouting. Loss of maybe 1-2 scholarships and a multi game Harbaugh suspension. UNC had fake classes. A Miami boosters was paying for abortions. PSU covered up child rape to protect football. This is a nothing burger.
Will Michigan get hammered by NCAA or B1G?
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That's a very valid point. There's no rule against it. They should be penalized for in-person scouting. Loss of maybe 1-2 scholarships and a multi game Harbaugh suspension. UNC had fake classes. A Miami boosters was paying for abortions. PSU covered up child rape to protect football. This is a nothing burger.
I think this scandal is similar to the Astros one. Stealing signs in game isn't illegal. It's a part of the game. Smart coaches pick up on tendencies and tells to try and win the game on a play-to-play basis in any sport. Once you start introducing technology into the mix, that's where it gets over the line for me personally
The funniest thing would be if one of Harbaugh’s defenses is that he knew nothing about it. There wouldn’t be one damn thing any Penn State fan could say about him using that defense.
As someone wrote above, it’s damming yourself (staff) far more if you would be one of those teams thinking that they had figured out your signals that way and then used them against you. Those should be changed all the time, probably even within games
You think when PSU plays Michigan they’ll be holding up signs saying Jim knew!
There really is no rule violation. This is someone from another program who went out of their way to turn Michigan in, in an attempt to get them tobe banned from the National Championship playoffs this year. Probably a psu or ISU follower.
The violations are in person advance scouting and videotaping. Those are both explicit rule violations.
This has nothing to do with someone from another program according to what has been reported.
And if PSU got a 2 year bowl bad and the loss of a few scholarships for the institutional coverup of child rape to protect football, I would guess Michigan gets next to nothing for their appalling in-person scouting rule violation. Oh, the horrors!
To me it's a non starter. Big deal. Any program not doing this is losing out.Allegedly at least 30 B1G games over the last 3 years, multiple people involved sometimes on both sides of the field to record both teams, surveillance video showing scouts recording the sidelines with a smart phone the entire game, probable direct institutional funding for the operation.
Sources: U-M staffer bought tickets at 11 schools
Suspended Michigan staffer Connor Stalions, who is at the center of the NCAA's sign-stealing probe, purchased tickets in his own name for more than 30 games over the past three years at 11 different Big Ten schools, multiple sources told ESPN.www.espn.com
If PITT did this Narduzzi wouldn't believe the film and just call a time out.
I might almost think that you're a Pitt fan sarcastically pretending to be a deranged PSU fan. Unfortunately for you, I think you're just this stupid.
I have said this multiple times but actually I’m born and raised in Georgia. Attended GT married my college GF. Moved to Philly area for work, that’s why my son went to PSU 14-17. My daughter attended Pitt 15-18 and played soccer. Transferred back to Georgia in 2019, we still follow Pitt since we’re ACC. My comments are based on observations from both sides. The hatred towards the other side is only by people over the age of 45. Todays students don’t care about it anymore. Far as your opinion goes .. okay if you knew me I’m sure you would think differently. But all good
This is quickly becoming the funniest story I’ve seen in a while, especially if that’s him with a wig and shades on. Michigan is so screwed.
Well Sir, not to defend or debate this subject any further. Some old school Pitt fans do believe things that were later proven false but not reported to the extent that they were originally.
I am of the belief that if the PA Attorney General’s office lead by Tom Corbett at the time. Effectively did their job when they investigated Jerry and the 2nd Mile organization the 1st time. The incidents attributed to the PSU campus wouldn’t have ever happened. They said it was all on the up and up. Sadly it wasn’t
Yeah if the AG's office under Corbett, elected in 2008, did their job Sandusky wouldn't have molested kids at PSU facilities a decade earlier.
He wouldn't have molsted Victim 3 in the Lasch shower and saunas from 2000-2002.
He wouldn't have molested Victim 4 in hotel rooms while travelling with Sandusky on official PSU football team transportation and officially registered with the University as "family and guests" of Sandusky in 1998, and 1999. (After the University was aware of the Campus Police 1998 shower investigation and his "punishment" of having to agree to stop showering with and touching naked kids in the PSU showers)
He wouldn't have molested Victim 5 in the football locker room at Holuba Hall in 1996-1998 when he was younger than 10.
He wouldn't have molested Victim 6 in the locker room at Holuba Hall in 1998 when he was 11.
He wouldn't have showered and possibly molsted Victim 7 in the East Area Locker rooms in the mid 90s.
Should I keep going or do you feel disgusted at your own ignorance yet?
okay 👌🏻 …. While I feel bad for those involved in the entire situation that happened there.
I think you should seek help for your issue with it. Somehow you let the vitriol influence your life. I can’t believe that healthy for you or your family life. I won’t respond to you anymore because I don’t want you to have an issue with your blood pressure. Good luck
He was temporary AG in 1995-97. I don't believe there has been any indication that any complaint had made it to the state AG before the 2008 complaint.
Nevermind, I looked it up. You are correct. I just didn't comprehend the other posters post.
I think you should seek help for your casual complaisance in spreading outright disinformation in order to absolve the University of its complicity in the molestation of several children by a bad actor that administrators had known about for years.
It’s totally him, if it was someone from the CMU staff they would have come out and said it.
That’s exactly what I was thinking. If it was one of their own, you would think it’d about 5 mins to figure that out. I’m wondering how he got all the sideline gear at this point?
I’m sure the coaching staff from Central Michigan hooked him up.
This entire thing is just asinine. This is why the NCAA is a joke. I really don't see an issue if a school sends someone, any one, to a future opponents game to watch what happens on the sidelines in regards to "stealing signs" from a team. To me, that is the sign of a good head coach (or program) to think that far ahead to try to his team an advantage. It isn't "stealing" if you are giving the signals in a public forum and someone else is smart enough to figure them out on their own. Just about every team has 4 or 5 guys on the sidelines doing all sorts of hand signals OR they have those goofy sings that have 9 different figures on them and show them to the QB before every play. If you don't want an opponent to figure them out, get better at keeping them concealed. Everyone in the stadium has a cellphone with a camera in it, the rule needs to be removed, it is not 1980 any more. Look, I am not a Michigan fan, don't really care for Harbaugh either, but I don't think that he or his staff did anything wrong.
You are right, they didn't do anything wrong.
I mean except for clearly and obviously violate a rule that has been on the books for decades that everyone knows about.
But I mean other than that, nothing.
See, here's the thing, it doesn't really matter if you see anything wrong with in person scouting of future opponents or not. At one time there was no rule against it, and then they decided that they didn't want people doing it, so they passed a rule against it. So it's obvious that SOMEONE had a problem with it.
Kids and their parents don't care. When a program is looked upon as one of the best in the nation, it's hard for the fans of the local program to take.
The NFL may enforce any suspension the NCAA puts on Harbaugh, also its not a given that any NFL will want him, remember both Minnesota and Denver passed on him in recent years.
