Will Michigan get hammered by NCAA or B1G?
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What cost??? All of these D-I FBS programs have big athletic budgets in place already, whats another $100,000.00 or so on buying a couple of plane tickets and game tickets to go watch a future opponent play?
It doesn't matter how long the rule has been in place, it is ASININE. You don't have to agree with me, that's what makes America a great country. But make no mistake about it, it is an Asinine rule and needs to be changed. May I add, that as a Pitt fan, I am sure that you attended some Pitt football games over the years at Heinz Field. While there, I am sure that you got thirsty and either bought a bottle of the over priced water or pop that they sold at the time. Did they give you a bottle with the lid still on it? Nope, they did not. Why?? Because they had an ASININE rule in place that said that the plastic lid on the bottles could be thrown and therefore become a weapon. Change the rule.
Is that really what you believe?
They remove the top because a full sealed container is heavier and can be thrown harder and farther.
So your point is that if someone doesn't like the rule they should just not follow it.
Or in other words, that there should be no rules. Which would, indeed, be asinine.
I have no problem if they change the rule. I have no problem with the rule the way that it is. My point is simply that it is, in fact, a rule, and that as such people should follow it. And when they don't follow it, and in fact don't follow it to a ridiculous extent, they should be punished for breaking the rules.
If you aren't going to punish people who willfully and knowingly break the rules then there simply are no rules.
Let me answer your question this way...YES, that is really what I believe. I believe it because that is what I was told by one of the vendors when I asked him. Also, who in their right mind is going to spend $6.00 for a bottle of water or pop and then throw it onto the field or at a person???
I think I've made my position pretty clear on this issue. I don't think that any one did anything wrong Someone got their little panties all up in their butt-hole because they are trying to punish Michigan and or Harbaugh because they are successful. Probably Ohio State, Michigan State or those "unrivaled douche bags to the east of us".
And that's the issue. They clearly and obviously broke the rules. You don't like the rule, so you think they shouldn't have to follow it.
Which is fine, but at the end of the day that's an argument for no rules at all.
And really, what difference does it make who pointed out that they were doing it? If they weren't breaking the rule it wouldn't matter what anyone said. You can't turn in someone for breaking a rule when they aren't actually breaking the rule.
Have you been to WVU? or Philly? or Cleveland? Tennessee? Atlanta?
Yeah, vendors that used to hand over quarters and nickels until last year are worried about a hollow and non-aerodynamic piece of plastic that's 1/3 the weight of a coin.
Maybe for a concert venue where it could be a slipping hazard on a stage, but no one is worried about it as a missile at a football game.
There are dumb rules every where you look in life. Whether or not the rule is dumb, it's a rule and there tends to be consequences when you break them.
It's the people who are not in their right minds who are the problem.
Can you please tell me how they "clearly and obviously broke the rules". I have not seen one OBJECTIVE piece of evidence that show that Harbaugh or the Michigan football program were directly involved. Is it possible that the guy who is at the center of this investigation is just someone who likes college football and is willing to do something to try and look good to his bosses? Can you show me evidence that Harbaugh or the school gave him money directly to go "spy" on future opponent? This entire issue was brought up by someone who wanted to embarrass Harbaugh and the Michigan football program for know other reason then that they are successful.
May I add, you seem to focus upon the fact that someone broke "a rule". That made me laugh. Isn't a holding call, breaking a rule? Isn't a pass interference call, breaking a rule? How about the coaches who teach their QB to intentionally alter their cadence in an attempt to make an opponent jump offside, isn't that breaking a rule? Lastly, what about the coach who reviews game tape of a future opponent and finds that if a teams DL all moves side ways right before the snap, one of the OL on that future opponent will move, causing a penalty. Isn't that breaking a rule?
Of all the issues that the NCAA is facing in regards to the demise college football, worrying about whether a team is able to pick up on another teams publicly displayed signals is asinine.
Yes, holding is breaking the rules. And a team is punished for that. Yes, pass interference is breaking the rules. And a team is punished for that. No, quarterbacks who alter their cadence to draw the defense offsides are not breaking the rules. You'd figure someone who watched football would know that. No, coaches reviewing game tape and finding an opponent with a tell or a fault in his game is not against the rules. You'd figure that someone who watched football would know that.
He clearly and obviously broke the rules because it is against the rules to scout in person, and we have lots and lots of information that shows that he did that on numerous occasions. And the guy WORKED for Harbaugh and the Michigan football program. By definition, if he broke the rules then the Michigan football program is directly involved. And the head coach is responsible for all aspects of the program. Which is why there is a phrase "lack of institutional control." It is, in fact, Harbaugh's job to control the people who work for him.
And as to them giving him money to do what he did, he was on the football payroll. Again, kind of by definition, the school gave him the money to allow him to do what he did.
As I said, no one has any OBJECTIVE evidence to support this claim. Show me the evidence, not heresay evidence, but OBJECTIVE evidence that Harbaugh sent and paid him to attend those games. If that does exist, it hasn't been presented at this time.
I am willing to bet you that if Michigan was 2-6 right now, no one would care about what they have or are doing.
What you meant to say is that it hasn't been presented to YOU, so you don't believe it.
And once again, Harbaugh doesn't have to have explicitly sent him and he certainly didn't have to pay for him to go to the games for it to be on Harbaugh. But that's OK, we'll just add that to another in the list of rules that you don't know.
After scandals where schools helped their coaches rape little boys, or players that committed murder, or had an entire fake college for their athletes where they literally studied absolutely nothing, and whatever Miami was and still is doing (too many sordid things to list here) … it’s comical many are railing on such an inconsequential thing.
This is one of those situations Pitt79 often references, that if Michigan would somehow win the NC then get some kind of sanction that ‘overturned’ it, after giving NO discipline at all to any of the above examples that were a billion percent worse… I’d gleefully tell the NCAA to go F itself. I’d print and sell the “Champion” T-shirt’s, hold victory parades and have a ring and banner ceremony the following year. And if they tried to ban them from holding games, I’d still schedule games (some schools would gladly take the money to play, and some network would gladly broadcast them).
This is one of those situations Pitt79 often references, that if Michigan would somehow win the NC then get some kind of sanction that ‘overturned’ it, after giving NO discipline at all to any of the above examples that were a billion percent worse… I’d gleefully tell the NCAA to go F itself. I’d print and sell the “Champion” T-shirt’s, hold victory parades and have a ring and banner ceremony the following year. And if they tried to ban them from holding games, I’d still schedule games (some schools would gladly take the money to play, and some network would gladly broadcast them).
Joe...I do not need you to tell me what I meant to say, I think I made my point pretty clear. The rule is asinine. You have presented nothing to me to show me that Harbaugh or Michigan were aware of what the man was doing AND that they paid him to do it as well. Perhaps everyone should turn in their cell phones at the start of every game that they attend so that no one can record the other teams signals that they are doing, OPENLY in front of tens of thousands of fans at every game they play. This whole story is foolish. As I said, someone from another program (probably OSU or psu) wanted to embarrass Michigan (or cost them a couple of wins) with the hope that it will their improve their own teams chances of success.
Just an FYI, I've played football from the time that I was in 4th grade all of the way through college when my eligibility ran out. I see no problem IF Michigan did what they are being accused of. It is not like they were sneaking around a closed facility, the "signs" were being given in front of tens of thousands of people at multiple games. On this subject, we are just going to have to agree to disagree.
There is literally zero chance the NCAA could overturn a Michigan National Championship. The NCAA doesn't officially endorse a champion for D1 FBS football. So, they're all good if they can get it done.
Is breaking this stupid in-person scouting rule any worse than using NIL for recruiting and pay for play? All these teams, probably Pitt included are breaking amaeturism rules by using NIL as pay for play but the NCAA doesn't care about that so why should they care about this. I don't like Michigan at all but this is a stupid rule so I hope Michigan doesn't get penalized at all.
