As long as Narduzzi is here, I honestly do not believe they will. This is why I say that Narduzzi needs to work with Franklin and set up some type of farm system agreement with them where they can play here and actually get on the field and then go to the Pedos when they are ready. These WPIAL kids just waste away on the bench over there.
Will Pitt ever land a WPIAL recruit over the Pedos again?
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Pitt deemphasized football decades ago and it's Chancellor and Board of Dipshits tore down their on campus stadium. Penn State covered up a coach raping little children and most of their fans cared more about winning then doing the right thing. Now, which is those two schools is likely to see more success?
whoever has more to offer in NIL. Do you belong to Alliance412? 107k is meaning less and less these days.
But again, who is more likely to pay more for their players? A school that was allowed to constantly kneecap the program? Or a school where many fans were seemingly ok with allowing a child rapist to roam campus and believed it was all a made up conspiracy to make them look bad?
I don’t know, man. If I’m a top recruit and I’m serious about my development, I think I’d rather have a slower path to playing time under proven coaches than the baptism by fire approach by a buffoon like Narduzzi, tbh.
I don't see us getting a top wpial kid again. Money talks and all we do is come up with pennies.
The perverts will pay any amount to get what they want. Our best avenue is to go heavy after the transfer
portal and pray we hit a home run.
The perverts will pay any amount to get what they want. Our best avenue is to go heavy after the transfer
portal and pray we hit a home run.
Pitt will never be able to compete with the Nitters for recruits in this NIL age.
Pitt was only serious about modern day football for a brief 12 years nearly 60 years ago.
Pitt doesn’t have the boosters, fanbase or administration support.
I’d suggest you support soccer and volleyball. You can build an elite program there. Football is a waste of time and money.
No way Pitt ever gets invited to a super conference given its attendance, fanbase, recent performance, lack of university owned stadium and piss poor support and zero commitment from the administration.
It doesn't matter. We're 6-6, give or take a game and maybe two some seasons, from now until most of us leave this Earth.
I'm just here for the pretty colors, the commiseration, and the off chance that one of you hit the Powerball and bankroll a real team for us to enjoy.
I'm just here for the pretty colors, the commiseration, and the off chance that one of you hit the Powerball and bankroll a real team for us to enjoy.
I'm not talking about 5 stars here. How much can PSU paying your random 3 star from the WPIAL that they stash on the bench for 5 years? I would think Pitt can pay a player, especially a local player just as much.
You're the same guy that thinks a random, low D1, should be tossing cash around. If your detachment from reality doesn't let you see that PSU has nearly unlimited resources compared to Pitt, along with a HC that would scrape gum off of the sidewalk in Oakland if he thought Pitt wanted it there, then you're just choosing to ignore reality.
Let me toss a ridiculous theory on the table an an otherwise slow Monday morning......
Pitt knows they cant compete in football but can win in basketball. They want to go all in for hoops with a large % of the 20 Mill for basketball.
But they cant....because football must compete to make enough money to make payments on the victory heights debt.
Heather knew what the brass was thinking and killed it by pushing the VH by a dimwitted BOT.
Ridiculous, I know.....
Pitt knows they cant compete in football but can win in basketball. They want to go all in for hoops with a large % of the 20 Mill for basketball.
But they cant....because football must compete to make enough money to make payments on the victory heights debt.
Heather knew what the brass was thinking and killed it by pushing the VH by a dimwitted BOT.
Ridiculous, I know.....
I think that with rev share money, Pitt can pay a local 3 star about the same that PSU can. You disagree?
I wished that for like a 2 year period, Pitt would put like $15 million of the $20 million towards basketball and try to make a Final Four. The result may be 3-9 for football but we do that anyway. Maybe this is how you let Duzz coach out his contract. Very limited rev share money. Fire Capel next March and put most towards basketball. Tell the new bball coach he will get $15 million/year to spend on players until Narduzzi's contract is up and then it will revert to like $15 million football and $5 million basketball.
Ridiculous theory? I guess you haven't stepped foot in the new locker room forum. Your theory is sound science compared to what is going on over there.
If you assume that nothing else is in play and that Pitt can afford to cut into its own revenue, yeah, probably. But Pitt doesn't have anywhere near the revenue to support that model so your argument isn't based in reality.
Now, you come back with some nonsense about how this is possible if they just cut Duzz's salary or Pitt cuts a dozen sports.
So, to be clear, even though Pitt football will have approximately $15 million of rev share money, I'd think, you believe that they cannot pay a local 3 star player, someone they hope can play rather early, than PSU who is paying the kid to be a practice player for 5 years. I mean PSU has to win bidding wars vs OSU and the SEC. There is no way it can be paying dudes from Fort Cherry and Latrobe, who will never set foot on the field, more than Pitt, who has approximately $15 million now.
you're saying no way, but its happening right before your eyes...whether its more money or viewing the psu bench an upgrade over early Pitt pt
He keeps failing to take into account that NIL still exists, in all its completely unregulated glory, on top of the revenue sharing.
In its most simplest form: if they have $15M in NIL and we have $5M...
And if you add $15M in revenue sharing to both schools...
The numbers are now $30M vs $20M. To most, a 50% increase in pay is substantial enough that they're going to take that job.
And this is before factoring in the huge discrepancies in future conference payouts, which absolutely will find its way to NIL and make that difference even greater.
Technically, booster NIL is gone starting July 1 so I'm not sure if these schools are paying out 2025-26 NIL in a lump sum before July 1???? After July 1, everything has to go through the clearinghouse to determine if it's fair market value and these deals aren't anywhere remotely close to fair market value.
I would think the player who eventually sues over this will win but until then, they have to be FMV.
Sure, because they've been killing it in basketball and those NIL donors will love that their football donations are going to basketball.
Based on what you stated I like to know what is fair market value and who is going to determine that. I don’t think you can compare it to the NFL because the market is set for draft pick slotting and for free agents the value is set by the players past performance as compared to other top players at that particular position ie. QB, WR etc.
What is the FMV for a 5 star RB from Florida as compared to a 5 star RB from Massachusetts? Or someone who played in a lower classification?
IMO the only solution is the incoming freshman earn x amount of base salary and then they can have performance based incentives. Then base salary goes up each year up to 5 years.
I’m sure someone is going to sue but until there’s common sense solutions for all of the conferences to agree on then it won’t be settled for a long time.
If Pitt BOD don’t want to go all in on the future of college football then maybe they should scrap the whole thing. And same goes for BB if not then play in the NEC.
Not only will fmv NIL not stand, but as I've said - that $20M salary cap is going to get shot down as well. 0% chance Ohio State and Pitt are somehow going to be paying their rosters something close to the same amount of money. So insane that it's not even worth discussing. The constitutionality of all of this is already being challenged.
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I’m not going to say a salary cap won’t stand up constitutionally but why can’t they follow NFL or NHL Rules for a salary cap. I’m sure congress will give them an exemption just like the NFL. I know it makes too much sense for college athletic directors and conference presidents. It’s all about the MONEY and let’s be honest the AD’s and conference presidents don’t give a flying F about the athletes.
July 1 will be nothing more than a speed bump for booster-funded NIL; a court will throw it out the first time an athlete has been denied NIL.
I believe that to collectively bargain the players would need to unionize, which creates all kinds of hurdles, and the schools don't want it. The schools may get pushed to that point someday, but it is not coming soon.
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With the July 1 date of NIL, will this force schools to release the amount of monies
given to all players. I'm sure that the perverts shutting down 12 branch campuses will
be more than happy to pay their players X amount of money.
given to all players. I'm sure that the perverts shutting down 12 branch campuses will
be more than happy to pay their players X amount of money.
You are very confused on this. Players are being paid for the use of their name, image, and likeness for use in marketing/advertising. They are not paid "to play." Now, the NCAA has looked the other way on this and has essentially allowed these " pay for play fake NIL" deals. But with the House settlement, the "fake pay for play NIL deals" are shifting to the universities to pay the players directly up to $20 million. The booster NIL deals will then have to be at fair market value and go through a clearinghouse. Who determines fair market value of Drew Allar doing a local car commercial? The NCAA will hire third party marketing/advertising professionals to determine that. So if Billy Bob State College Ford wants to pay Drew Allar $3 million to do a commercial, they can, but if the NCAA Clearinghouse states the FMV of that commercial is only $10,000, the other $2,990,000 would be considered pay for play so he has to decide, do I take the $3 million and give up my eligibility, decline the NIL deal, or take the $3 million and sue the NCAA.
Well, OSU and Pitt will both being paying only $20 million directly. The difference is that OSU boosters will pay far more until July 1. Then we have to see if this fair market value thing survives lawsuit after July 1 because college athletes, even at places like PSU and OSU are worth very close to $0 to local businesses unless you are a big-time star.
No. I have to wonder if we even waste much time and resources on wpial recruits anymore. Jimmy Franks has the WPIAL kids eating out of his hand. Strangely, other than a few kids, they go up there and do nothing. I guess the allure of playing in front of 107k and white outs is just to good to refuse. Playing time has become secondary.
Ok I understand that now. Just a hypothetical, take Allar if he would sue the NCAA then I could see the NCAA go to court and seek an injunction. This whole issue is going to get crazier unless someone comes up with a sane compensation/salary system that is fair to all parties involved.
PSU will be sharing the maximum allowed ($20.5 million), with $16.8M going to football. About the same as most top programs.
Pitt will be offering $89.99, 2 vouchers for free beverages at the next Pitt game (but you have to stay the whole game!), and a commemorative keychain.
It's all relative. My PSU friends think they are closer to us, in sheer NIL power, than they are to Oregon or OSU. They believe that they are getting outbid quite a bit. And I even know OSU people who think they are behind.
This whole system sucks for 98% of the participants, not just Pitt.
This whole system sucks for 98% of the participants, not just Pitt.
OSU just dropped over $20M on their football roster. Them thinking they are behind in NIL would be like a 102-pound model looking in the mirror and seeing Rosie O'Donnell.
As for PSU, I don't think they'd be able to compete with some of those big-time southern programs in the years when they are firing on all cylinders. But they're at least within striking distance - to a point where you could say the right QB or something can put them over the top.
I think we'll see PSU dropping off now that the only thing that matters is sheer dollars with recruiting. And I take no pleasure in saying that. There will soon be new meaning to the term "the 1%". Because only 1% of college football teams will really matter unless they get a fix on this thing.
And at the end of the day, Pitt and PSU will both win zero national championships. Pitt will just win their zero national championships in a much less rapey kind of way.
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