With new Fenway Bowl

[TIGER-PAUL]

after this year...?

The ACC's 2020-21 lineup potentially looks like this now: 1) CFP/Orange Bowl; 2) Outback(SEC) (only if a B10 school is selected to the Orange Bowl); 3) Camping World(B12); 4a) Belk(SEC/B10); 4b) Sun(P12); 4c) Pinstripe(B10); 4d) Gator(SEC); 4e) Holiday(P12); 9a) Fenway(AAC); 9b) Independence(SEC); 9c) Quick Lane(B10); 9d) Military(AAC). (courtesy of orangefan)

So..
Citrus-- now Outback
Belk all SEC-- now SEC/B10
MusicCity/Gator/SEC/B10-- now Gator/SEC


Drop Gasparilla,Birmingham
Add Holiday,Fenway

basically status quo, maybe slight upgrade?

 

[TempleBAPittMPA]

Wait a minute. How many bowls does that make it now for players to skip?

 

[McKee Place]

Fenway park can hold a football field but PNC couldn't?

 

[Zeldas Open Roof]

Wait a minute. How many bowls does that make it now for players to skip?

Seniors and draft eligible under classmen can skip these, i'd prefer they do. these bowl games (Non playoff bowl games) should be for the redshirt freshmen and younger players to get some game time experience and give the fans a glimpse of what awaits for next year..

 

[TempleBAPittMPA]

Fenway park can hold a football field but PNC couldn't?

I remember the Patriots playing there back in the day.

 

[Cap pitt]

Pinstrip bowl in Yankee stadium, right? Now Boston wants their voice heard. Goes back to the bambino

 

[ratking17]

If the weather in NYC in late December can get bad, what does Boston mean? At least NYC offers lots of easier travel options with bus and rail service. Getting to Boston might be a little more difficult.

I would assume this bowl will rotate between B.C., cuse, and Pitt on a pretty regular basis

 

[PosterToBeNamedLater]

If the weather in NYC in late December can get bad, what does Boston mean? At least NYC offers lots of easier travel options with bus and rail service. Getting to Boston might be a little more difficult.

I would assume this bowl will rotate between B.C., cuse, and Pitt on a pretty regular basis

I was thinking the same thing. I’ve been looking for an excuse to go to Boston... went so far as to look at hotel rooms for a specific weekend the Sox were in town and went to check out. Only to realize that not only was the hotel I was looking at staying sold out but basically every hotel in the city was as well.

Can’t say I’ll make my first appearance in the month of December however

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

I like this. Wished I would have thought of it. Surprised I didn't. There are not many bowl destinations that I would travel to as I don't like spending money on meaningless exhibition games but I'd go to this. Boston is a great city and I've never been to Fenway. FWIW, Pitt will 100% be in this game in the next 4 years.

 

[jtownknowitall]

I’d go to Bosto too. In May.

 

[Black Panther]

Fenway park can hold a football field but PNC couldn't?

Believe it or not that team in ne used to play there.Long before they were billacheats.lol

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

Fenway park can hold a football field but PNC couldn't?

PNC probably could, but just barely.

The reason that Fenway can easily fit a field, if you think about the way the stadium lays, is that while Fenway has a very short left field and left center field, it is very deep from just to the right field side of dead center all the way to almost the first base corner. So you could run, indeed you would have to, run the field paralleling the first base line with the end zones by the third base dugout on one end and in right field on the other end.

Notice that that is not the way that a football field fits into Yankee Stadium. They run the field there from home plate to center field, because Yankee Stadium is short down both lines but is relatively larger from left center around to right center. The way a field fits at Yankee Stadium would not work at all in Fenway, and conversely the way a field fits at Fenway wouldn't work in Yankee Stadium.

Based on the dimensions, I think the only way to fit a field at PNC would be to do the opposite of what they do at Fenway and run the field down the third base line, so that one end zone was in front of the first base dugout and the other was in left field.

 

[TempleBAPittMPA]

The Chicago Bears used to play at Wrigley Field as well. I think somebody (Northwestern?) hosted a college football game there more recently, but they had to make an accommodation with less-than-regulation end zones because the Cubs had added some fixed seating over the years since the Bears moved out, so the standard gridiron would no longer fit.

 

[Ambst95]

Add this to the list of bowls I won’t attend. Boston in December is cold and Fenway is a terrible place to watch a football game.

 

[mbe 34]

I’d go to Bosto too. In May.

No thanks on another “cold spot”.

I’d rather they got the “Bahamas Bowl”

 

[ThePanthers]

I'd go.

 

[TIGER-PAUL]

Still could be some movement among the lower bowls.

 

[ncyajleel]

Why no bowls in Alaska?

 

[TempleBAPittMPA]

Why no bowls in Alaska?

Need a domed stadium.

 

[Delpanther]

Terrible bowl lineup

 

[McKee Place]

Believe it or not that team in ne used to play there.Long before they were billacheats.lol

My origin for asking goes back to reading the following last year.

https://www.post-gazette.com/sports...ame-heinz-field-pnc-park/stories/201806210020

I personally wasnt as intrigued by a bowl game at PNC Park (but hey why not), but perhaps Pitt playing one of its early season 'cupcake' games there, totally as a novelty, since there is typically so very little fan interest for these games normally. A Delaware game for example, might draw 25,000 (actual people, not fabricated numbers from Pitt PR), and less if bad weather. Why not have it down the street, if the Bucs are outta tahn?

 

[TJFAIRLIE]

The reason that Fenway can easily fit a field, if you think about the way the stadium lays, is that while Fenway has a very short left field and left center field, it is very deep from just to the right field side of dead center all the way to almost the first base corner. So you could run, indeed you would have to, run the field paralleling the first base line with the end zones by the third base dugout on one end and in right field on the other end.

Yup

 

[pittdan77]

My origin for asking goes back to reading the following last year.

https://www.post-gazette.com/sports...ame-heinz-field-pnc-park/stories/201806210020

I personally wasnt as intrigued by a bowl game at PNC Park (but hey why not), but perhaps Pitt playing one of its early season 'cupcake' games there, totally as a novelty, since there is typically so very little fan interest for these games normally. A Delaware game for example, might draw 25,000 (actual people, not fabricated numbers from Pitt PR), and less if bad weather. Why not have it down the street, if the Bucs are outta tahn?

Well, there's no reason for the Pirates to allow it, first of all. It would also be pretty embarrassing to do all of that and only get 25k to show up.

 

[McKee Place]

Well, there's no reason for the Pirates to allow it, first of all. It would also be pretty embarrassing to do all of that and only get 25k to show up.

Nutting would do it eagerly for money. And for the one time novelty, it would be much better attended than the same game in Heinz.

This program cant/ won't be entertaining by compiling a great team, it should attempt to be entertaining by other means. Interest in the program is dying more and more every .500 year.

 

[pittdan77]

Nutting would do it eagerly for money. And for the one time novelty, it would be much better attended than the same game in Heinz.

This program cant/ won't be entertaining by compiling a great team, it should attempt to be entertaining by other means. Interest in the program is dying more and more every .500 year.

I'd personally would like to try winning. Wouldn't winning ten games be cool for once? There seems to be this idea that Pitt can't ever win consistently and it blows my mind. It's not unthinkable for Pitt to be consistently in the top three or four of the conference every year. That would do absolute wonders for everything from attendance on down.

 

[McKee Place]

I'd personally would like to try winning. Wouldn't winning ten games be cool for once? There seems to be this idea that Pitt can't ever win consistently and it blows my mind. It's not unthinkable for Pitt to be consistently in the top three or four of the conference every year. That would do absolute wonders for everything from attendance on down.

I agree totally with that. But what are the chances? Winning even 8 more than once a decade seems beyond the capabilities and willingness of this school. Even when we pull it off, we blow the bowl game and negate the buzz.

All I'm saying is that this school seems to forget, or even is distressed, by the concept that this is supposed to be a product that provides entertainment.

Winning is the best way, but Pitt is not willing to do what it takes for that. So a one time PNC Park game (maybe even more, if it was wildly successful) is one alternate idea, anyway. Though more bobbleheads is cheaper, I guess.

 

[Pitt79]

I like this. Wished I would have thought of it. Surprised I didn't. There are not many bowl destinations that I would travel to as I don't like spending money on meaningless exhibition games but I'd go to this. Boston is a great city and I've never been to Fenway. FWIW, Pitt will 100% be in this game in the next 4 years.

Wrigley Bowl, those people sitting on the roof of the buildings across the street on a windy 10 degree day! LOL.

 

[mike 301]

If the weather in NYC in late December can get bad, what does Boston mean? At least NYC offers lots of easier travel options with bus and rail service. Getting to Boston might be a little more difficult.

I would assume this bowl will rotate between B.C., cuse, and Pitt on a pretty regular basis

Getting to Boston is a pain in the rear by vehicle .

 

[mike 301]

Need a domed stadium.

 

[pittdan77]

I agree totally with that. But what are the chances? Winning even 8 more than once a decade seems beyond the capabilities and willingness of this school. Even when we pull it off, we blow the bowl game and negate the buzz.

All I'm saying is that this school seems to forget, or even is distressed, by the concept that this is supposed to be a product that provides entertainment.

Winning is the best way, but Pitt is not willing to do what it takes for that. So a one time PNC Park game (maybe even more, if it was wildly successful) is one alternate idea, anyway. Though more bobbleheads is cheaper, I guess.

It was possible to win 10 games last year. 9 for sure. 2016 was the same. I'm not sure that Pitt isn't willing to do what it takes. I just think the football program is in a place where it needed stability after being a dumpster fire. But to your point, the re-branding is definitely an important step.

I don't see PNC as ever being viable or even as a legitimate option for a host of reasons.

 

[HailToPitt725]

PNC probably could, but just barely.

The reason that Fenway can easily fit a field, if you think about the way the stadium lays, is that while Fenway has a very short left field and left center field, it is very deep from just to the right field side of dead center all the way to almost the first base corner. So you could run, indeed you would have to, run the field paralleling the first base line with the end zones by the third base dugout on one end and in right field on the other end.

Notice that that is not the way that a football field fits into Yankee Stadium. They run the field there from home plate to center field, because Yankee Stadium is short down both lines but is relatively larger from left center around to right center. The way a field fits at Yankee Stadium would not work at all in Fenway, and conversely the way a field fits at Fenway wouldn't work in Yankee Stadium.

Based on the dimensions, I think the only way to fit a field at PNC would be to do the opposite of what they do at Fenway and run the field down the third base line, so that one end zone was in front of the first base dugout and the other was in left field.

I actually looked into this one time using Google Maps and Snippet and you’re correct. It’d just fit in there. It’d look similar to the setup Target Field uses for football:

I think it’d be neat to have a football game at PNC one day.

 

[TempleBAPittMPA]

I actually looked into this one time using Google Maps and Snippet and you’re correct. It’d just fit in there. It’d look similar to the setup Target Field uses for football:


I think it’d be neat to have a football game at PNC one day.

Maybe they've already come up with a solution to this issue (I haven't been following it for a few years), but that might be the solution to where to play al the WPIAL championship games since they added additional classifications. Any issues with potential damage to the field surface would have four months or so to be remedied before baseball got played there again.

 

[Panther Holla]

PNC probably could, but just barely.

The reason that Fenway can easily fit a field, if you think about the way the stadium lays, is that while Fenway has a very short left field and left center field, it is very deep from just to the right field side of dead center all the way to almost the first base corner. So you could run, indeed you would have to, run the field paralleling the first base line with the end zones by the third base dugout on one end and in right field on the other end.

Notice that that is not the way that a football field fits into Yankee Stadium. They run the field there from home plate to center field, because Yankee Stadium is short down both lines but is relatively larger from left center around to right center. The way a field fits at Yankee Stadium would not work at all in Fenway, and conversely the way a field fits at Fenway wouldn't work in Yankee Stadium.

Based on the dimensions, I think the only way to fit a field at PNC would be to do the opposite of what they do at Fenway and run the field down the third base line, so that one end zone was in front of the first base dugout and the other was in left field.

Agreed. Needing a minimum of 330 feet to fit the gridiron, it would be VERY tight but possible. But damn, there's be little room beyond either end zone. obviously football and soccer were not considered when defining the outfield dimensions.

 

[McKee Place]

I actually looked into this one time using Google Maps and Snippet and you’re correct. It’d just fit in there. It’d look similar to the setup Target Field uses for football:

I think it’d be neat to have a football game at PNC one day.

Agreed. Im not and never would advocate it as a solution for Pitt. Just a one (or rare) novelty/curiosity for OOC games with FCS that would otherwise hold very little interest to regular people (or many Pitt fans for that matter) in the region. If the Bucs are finishing a season on a road trip (obviously we're assuming, pretty assuredly, that they aren't making postseason), and it coincides with our playing Delaware or such (or we could manipulate the schedule to make it so), why not?

 

[TempleBAPittMPA]

obviously football and soccer were not considered when defining the outfield dimensions.

Why would they have been, unless you were laying out ridiculous dimensions like they had at the old Polo Grounds in New York (and as the name seems to imply, that place was probably laid out before baseball was "invented".)

 

[McKee Place]

Why would they have been, unless you were laying out ridiculous dimensions like they had at the old Polo Grounds in New York (and as the name seems to imply, that place was probably laid out before baseball was "invented".)

Mainly because MLB might shift its contract or business policies in any future and not let the Pirates continue to make mega profit merely by keeping payroll at the bottom, aka the payroll penalty they reap from other teams.

Attendance is already shrinking for the Pirates now. Combine with the top point, and the team may start to lose money just with baseball alone. Being able to host soccer, football, high school games etc.may be their salvation someday.

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

I actually looked into this one time using Google Maps and Snippet and you’re correct. It’d just fit in there. It’d look similar to the setup Target Field uses for football:

I think it’d be neat to have a football game at PNC one day.

And you see the problem right there. The back of the end zone in the outfield is basically right up against the wall. You can't see the other end in that picture, but the back of the other end zone is right up against the first base dugout on that end. If they keep playing games in places like that at some point some receiver is going to be running full out to try to catch a ball at the back of the end zone and they are going to plow into that wall running 25 mph, and they are going to get hurt bad. And the lawsuit that they file will be very large.

 

[Panther Holla]

Why would they have been, unless you were laying out ridiculous dimensions like they had at the old Polo Grounds in New York (and as the name seems to imply, that place was probably laid out before baseball was "invented".)

You would not need to be ridiculous... slightly deeper dimensions to LF, LCF and CF would better accommodate football. Which would have been like the original configuration at Comerica Park in Detroit, aka Comerica National Park, before the Tigers downsized the field by bringing in the left field wall. Of course, a bigger baseball field suppresses offense, so that would be damaging to the main purpose of the facility for, theoretically, occasional use by another sport.

 

[Panther Holla]

Some day Nutting is going to invite a Kent State or Akron (MAC school that recruits W PA) to "host" a football game at PNC against, oh, West Virginia.

 

[Pittparade]

If the weather in NYC in late December can get bad, what does Boston mean? At least NYC offers lots of easier travel options with bus and rail service. Getting to Boston might be a little more difficult.

I would assume this bowl will rotate between B.C., cuse, and Pitt on a pretty regular basis

And from the AAC: UCONN, Temple and Navy. How about the BC vs UCONN bowl matchup in 2020?