We are a couple of weeks removed from scoring 43 against Clemson. And Clemson is better than the nitters.
Would be absolutely hilarious if Penn State wins the Big Ten
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We are a couple of weeks removed from scoring 43 against Clemson. And Clemson is better than the nitters.
Lol at the predictions of #2 Ohio State getting left out. They have one loss and are all but a lock along with Alabama. If Clemson or Washington lose then the last spot is decided amoug Michigan, PSU/Wisc winner, Oklahoma (if they win) and Colorado (if they win). It really hurts Penn State that they got crushed by Michigan. It also hurts Colorado that they lost to Michigan. It helps Michigan that they beat both of those potential conference champs, and did so handily. But I think the committee has placed emphasis on conference champs in the past, so who knows. There really!y is no clear cut correct answer and they must be hoping for Clemson and Wash wins.
Get back to your site son.
42-39.
Maybe Ped St can conduct more Cleary training this week
42-39.
Maybe Ped St can conduct more Cleary training this week
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http://www.foxsports.com/college-fo...ngs-washington-clemson-picture-big-ten-112616
The College Football Playoff selection committee's criteria, as laid out on their website, makes it clear that above all else, they value conference championships. After that comes strength of schedule and head-to-head competition.
Penn State's garbage... And their fans are scum... Just needed to say that.
They're having their best season in a decade and they're talking about our attendance.
So the Ped wish we had more folks at the game! That is what they are talking about.......funny! 42-39
I just read the selection committee website and I don't see where it says they value conference championships above all else. It is just one of the factors and the committee members can analyzw the factors in a way that they please.
Steel, I don't know what to tell you, but Ohio St is a lock. If PSU finds their way in it will be due to a Washington or Clemson loss, not in place of Ohio St.
I see what you're saying about beating Ohio St and winning a conference title. But that's the old school way of doing things, when all the weight was put on writers and coaches polls, people that had absolutely no idea which teams were better than others.
Times have changed, there is zero chance a 2 loss PSU team gets in over a 1 loss Ohio St team, none at all. If you want me to get a few bucks down for you on PSU at 60-1 I will do that, if they beat Wisconsin you can easily hedge it out and make a nice score.
If Pitt ends up in El Paso I will buy you a couple beers and we can talk about Pitt sports if you can make it there, due to work schedules it's probably the only possible game I can make. Never been there before and am looking forward to it.
1. Not really, Penn State has 27 Four &Five Star Recruits-Players compared to Pitt's 16? Pitt is losing 19 and Penn State is losing 17 and its DBs? Penn State could lose more to the NFL Draft as well. Pitt Coaching has developed it own record Breaking Talent and did not have it at Wide Outs like PSU did early in the season. Pitt played Tougher Teams early against PSU, OKSU, UNC and VT unlike PSU not having them on their schedule?
2. McSorley makes the Penn State O go, if he is taken out, they will dump big time. They only had 77 yards of Rushing because MSU did stop the Run but gave up wide open passes, sound familiar? Next year McSorley will be hunted and tough enough to take big hits, but will put himself in Harms Way in the process like all Spread Teams. they are usually beat up by the end of year. Or go out in Big Games often from Late Hits? This year the big PSU weapon was Gesecki more than Barkely and Gesecki may go Pro, maybe Godwin and Hamilton too. They were not young players but Juniors! Pitt has the young Wideout now that will be better in 2017.
3. Wisconsin had a far tougher schedule than PSU and more importantly a lot of it depends on when you played the the other Teams giving a time frame of reference. Penn State will still have trouble with a Defensive Minded Team like a Bama, Michigan, Clemson, USC, but Iowa, MSU and Pitt had breakdowns this year. As did Indiana, Minnesota when playing against Penn State. Ohio State Barrett actually choke against Penn State and almost did again against Michigan more than Penn State outright beating OSU. Ohio State beat itself more than PSU beat them.
4. No one ever doubted Penn State did not have talent, What was doubted was the Coaching of that talent. Now Franklin will be tested against a very good well balanced Offense & Defense Team. Penn State's is a very talented team at this time frame and is playing at a very high level right especially in the Second Half. The Defense is also a big plus now.
5. So, now we will see for sure if Penn State can beat Wisconsin like it did Iowa, or squeeze by like it got a Blocked Kick against Ohio State and made Barrett choke, or came up short against Pitt after being way behind, or be blown away like Michigan did it from start to finish and would happen again if they played again?
6. We shall see on Saturday, and if Penn State Wins the future will look brighter but if it loses there will be more Doubters it can beat Pro Set Team. Most have them against MAC Western Michigan too? Another Bowl Break that won't be as tough as Power Conference Teams!
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As much as I don't think Ohio state should get in, the win over likely big 12 champ Oklahoma is a very strong argument in their favor.
Same for Michigan with their win over potential Pac 12 champ Colorado.....That Iowa loss though really kills them.
BFo8 is spot on, and damn well right and no Offense to you "Steel'. The Bookies that set the Lines do it for Betting Purposes not Predictions based on how Bets are coming in and when, I have represented many Bookies & Gaming, the Line is based
on very good research-oriented and concise information combine to make a line for each game that creates good two-way action since millions of dollars at risk there is little margin for error. The bookies do this by drawing from past experiences and applying them to current situations, with added info only they know about on some variable and very valuable sources that I won't and can't disclose in detail on how they get it.
At the same time the Line is being changed by Sports Media being given carefully drips and drabs of such information and some important talk put out on the street to help change that Line. Weather Reports are known, Cleaks to be worn on field condition, and True Injury Reports only known to Coaches, Doctors and Trainers, and all those people carefully selected to be in those positions by knowing when to keep their mouths shut or open on purpose. Refs are not just picked from nowhere too, there is a careful process how they advance upward!
Although it is not complicated getting good information is kept from bettors. I used to know a few things on where such action is decided but no longer follow it anymore like I did before, I do recommend Dan Moldea's book "Interference" to understand Football Betting and some Book that are not written or published for good reasons?
Bookies usually always know more than Betters and some of the Bookies are left off from gathering or being given some right or wrong information too. Anytime you are around such Wise Guys, Bars they hang out, they are always talking about the Games, Players, and Coaches, and always want to get closer to them, and have ways that do just that better than any Bettor.
For example, why knowing a Waiter that takes Food to FB Players Hotel Rooms the night before a game and is smart in observing them, or why before Undefeated Penn State played Illinois in 1994 the electricity went out and the PSU Players had to be feed with Pizza by Pizza Hut and almost lost (Later reported in Papers)? Or when Pitt was at VT and a False Fire Alarm went off in the middle of the night making all the players leave their rooms and lose Sleep? Or a Pitt Corporate Jet broke down and BB Players flew all day to play on West Coast with little sleep? And why NBA Visiting Teams are not allow to fly in except before the day they play away?
The Bookies that are not the real power either, but the Owners are the real ones to know and are far more in the know too. It always come down to whom one knows and what those they know and what they know, and no one is saying how they get you to playing just when you think you have great insight to a game.
Especially the games between Two Poor Losing Teams playing and no one is caring because no one is watching, or when Buster beat up Tyson in Japan and few knew there was even a fight because no one publicized it and it went off 35-1 and Buster Won???
Many Fans are seen praying to the Supreme Being in Hopes their Beloved Teams will Win and Bookies if they did there job are covered either way if they properly divided the action', but not one of those prays will matter, because the games are decided for the Benefit of the Board Rooms of Banks more than any God!
I can say more, but they would be just Hunches and Guesses and that Info is valuable in ways few know?
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Exactly, what the CFB Committee is thinking and better to have 4 Teams from 4 Conferences then 2 Teams from One Conference. Iowa 12-0 and MSU 11-1 last year fought it out in B1G Champ game and both could have gone to NCS Playoffs, but MSU won out by a Late TD winning 16-13!
Iowa was left out even though 12-1 and MSu was 12-1 and went to NCS Playoffs Bowls. MSU got killed 38-0! Iowa as blown out in the Rose Bowl, both being from the Big Pretend again?
The selection depends on the Washington-Colorado Game and if Washington Wins they are in, Bama can lose SEC Champ (But They Won't) and still be in, and Clemson-VT Game is even more important, only if Clemson loses!
It is my every intention to be forthright, gracious and magnanimous and not trying to be disrespectful to Chryst-Alvarez Wisky or Franklin-Moorhead Penn State upcoming Big Ten Championship Game.......but it is really in reality an "After Fart Game" on Saturday between two 11-2 Teams that lost to Michigan, Pitt, and Ohio State.
I say so in complete honesty and sincerity without reservation or any intentional offense.
Ohio State will be in by not playing and Bama too even if they lose, because the CFB Committee would love to see a repeat of Meyer's OSU against Saban Bama's and the Nation, Bookies, and Sport Writers too.
The PAC-12 WU-CU Game far more important, Washington Wins they are In!
The ACC Clemson-VT too, only if there is an upset will they ACC be out. many want to see Another Repeat of last year BAMA-CLEMSON game too!
Even the Big-12 OU & OKSU that won't play a Champ Game but if one Win Big over the other, could jump in too, over PSU-Wisky Winner!
Only if Washington and Clemson both lose, maybe and that is a big maybe can Big Ten get 2 Teams in and why that is still an After Fart Fact!
BAMA Already In
OHIO STATE Already In
CLEMSON-WASHINGTON In Too Unless They LOSE!
OU-OKSU COULD JUMP IN AND OVER ONLY IF BOTH Clemson-Washington Both Lose!
Then and only then can PSU-WISKY WINNER get Added In if Colorado Beats Washington, and VT beats Clemson?
Tuesday the CFB Committee Rankings come out, and the key is to look for where OU & OKSU are Ranked! OKSU losing to Central Michigan by a Wrong call and then beating OU is even a better way to right that wrong an could choose to them over B1G Champ Winner???
Another example of some backward late fairness, when Ohio State was 12-0 but on Probation and could not play in Top BCS Game, The CFB Committee did add OSU in 2014 as the 4th Selection and many objected they did not belong but won it all.
Another example, when Big-12 TCU & Baylor were complaining not getting in because No Big-12 Champ Game? In 2015, Oklahoma was the 4th Selection and many felt it was a CFB Make Up Call due to TCU-Baylor denial the year before, this was the speculation any way.
We shall see on Tuesday, then Friday, and then Saturday!
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I saw it as a Toss Up in September and was decided by 3, and I still see it as a Toss Up in November, same if PITT & PSU Played WVU too. These Teams are very close to each other and one is is above the other in any way to be fair right now. Yet, others can disagree! I can still see all losing 4 Games too except WVU but that does not make them much better either.
If WVU loses to Baylor & Bowl Game they will end up 9-4!
If Penn State loses to Wisky & Bowl Game they will end up 10-4!
If Pitt wins its Bowl Game they will end up 9-4!
Maybe by some. Not by me or most of the other psu fans i know. It's been a great year and now a young team gets to play an extra game , with an extra week of game practice which can only help for next year. Even if they lose to a pretty solid wisconsin team , they will still go to a great bowl game . Recruiting is starting to heat up again and it can't hurt that gameday will be in Indy for the title game with a national audience. Certainly a 180 from how things finished last year. Life is short , be happy for the positive things.
I would love that! It would proved how stupid the opinion based playoff is, here you'd have Penn State...
1. Conference CHAMPION, won it on the field of play, BY WINNING GAMES, not through an opinion poll
2. BEAT OHIO STATE head to head, not based on who's considered better subjectively
It's totally unjustifiable that tOSU would get in and PSU not! PSU defeated them by every OBJECTIVE measure in this scenario. Even if PSU where to go on to lose to 'Bama 50-0, that should not be a consideration in choosing between the 2, just what happened ON THE FIELD before the playoff should matter, no other concern.
Anybody who's prefer SUBJECTIVELY DEFINED "best teams" over those THAT EARNED IT ON THE FIELD OF PLAY, is an idiot.
That's why college football is insanely idiotic! LMFAO, Winning the Conference CHAMPIONSHIP and BEATING THEM head to head should TRUMP subjective BS like "body of work", lol! This is why I don't follow the CF championship, because it never reflects who really deserves to get in.
The current system is no better than the 1970s bowl system, it doesn't determine a true champion, it just subjectively decides who's champ mainly through opinion polls, by coaches and sports writers. There will never be a true championship earned on the field, by playing games until there's a playoff where every conference champ gets an automatic bid, no matter who they are.
Let's face it, we are talking about the symptoms instead of the root cause.
The system is stupid it should have been abandoned years ago. I don't care about rankings – they are like power rankings in the NFL as far as I'm concerned. Completely inconsequential.
However, in college football, it actually impacts who gets to play for the championship and that makes no sense whatsoever for all the reasons you outlayed.
It did not start out that way, when JoePa chose the Big Ten he actually dominated Michigan and Ohio State the first 4 years until after 1996. Joe lost control over Scheduling, Ref Selections, Bowl Designation and even open up Eastern Recruiting to Big Ten Viewing and a number of Top Recruits started to go to the Big Ten in far more numbers while not going to Penn State. Additionally, now as known Joe was not under and practicing Athletic Integrity as now known by the US Department of Educational Largest Fine$ in US History $2.4 Million*, NCAA Rules, Title IX, and spent Billions on 2012 Reforms as exposed by the PSU FB Scandal.
This happen so Joe could keep playing Players so he could compete and try to beat OSU, Michigan, but Joe stayed on way too long. Many Times from 1997 to 1999 PSU actually was selected as #1 to win the NCS on Sports Illustrated Covers, but then when lose in November and of course had the bad run of 2000-2004 4 of 5 Losing Seasons, plus ESPN and Media started to point out Joe's Players Arrests Records and how how the Players were treated different from Students so they could play. It was ignored by the NCAA and DOE too until exposed by the Football Scandal.
The Big Ten was big bonanza of Big Buck$ but Joe staying too long and unable to win the conference very often really diminished his Wins and even may have caused major Health Problems now known. The ACC would have been a better place to be and kept PSu as the Largest School & Program in the ACC, instead of being a among the biggest in the the Big Ten, and kept Big Ten TV out of the East during that period.
It is safe and accurate to say, the Big Ten was a disaster to PSU Winning, Compliance, Rankings, and Sanctions but Joe got his 409 Win and the next week fired and PSU only has recovered until this year and that fate awaits on Saturday? I still think PSU lost much as it gained and that Legacy even hurt the Big Ten that gave it own Sanctions for lack of Penn State Athletic Integrity?**
*-(*Penn State Last Week quietly announced it would not challenge the DOE Clery Act Fine$ and will pay all of the $2.4 Million!)
**-(Penn State to Trustees, Erickson, Joyner Credit also put in and enforces all 2012 Reforms that has made it a Model of Compliance and selected O'Brien and Franklin that won the Big Ten East this year, to be fair and accurate too. Both that won under Sanctions that Penn State Football Program Paterno Era was not doing now known. PSU deserve great recognition for it but paid out over $5 Billion for Reforming it and still climbing?)
Always a voice of reason and foresight and why there will be changes in the future to the playoffs and selection of Teams until better minds, system, and controversies are abated and reformed while making more money for all too!
Still, it is what it is, and until changes the controversies will continue just like under the old mythical championship system, BCS Bowl System, and now CFB Committee NCS Playoff Selections.
The entire system needs a Conference Realignment much as the NFL did in the 1970s to maximize Income and reduce and control costs too. They really have to go to 8 Teams but it will be a slow realization, slower reorganization, and even slower realignment but better minds will prevail for higher profits?
They need to scrap the idea of selecting the "subjective best teams" and set up a system where you know your formula the beginning of the system to get in, and that formula is WIN this division ON THE FIELD, WIN this conference championship GAME ON THE FIELD, winners of PREDETERMINED schedules and CERTAIN GAMES get in, those that LOSE THOSE PARTICULAR games ARE OUT, no matter how talented they are perceived to be subjectively, IT'S RIGHT AND IT'S FAIR to do it this way. Then you have a legitimate champion,
CHAMPION does not equal BEST TEAM, never did, one thing has nothing to do with the other. Sometimes the 10th best team goes on a run at the right time and knocks off everybody's blue blood darling and wins it all, that is right, good, and legit, that is how sports should be. The most memorable outcomes aren't when the best teams win, it's when the 18-0 Patriots lose the Super Bowl or when 'Nova takes down the Goliath, Ewing Lead Hoyas, that's history, not making sure you rig it to get the teams YOU THINK are the best in there every time, that's BS.
CHAMPION does not equal BEST TEAM, never did, one thing has nothing to do with the other. Sometimes the 10th best team goes on a run at the right time and knocks off everybody's blue blood darling and wins it all, that is right, good, and legit, that is how sports should be. The most memorable outcomes aren't when the best teams win, it's when the 18-0 Patriots lose the Super Bowl or when 'Nova takes down the Goliath, Ewing Lead Hoyas, that's history, not making sure you rig it to get the teams YOU THINK are the best in there every time, that's BS.
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in regard to Big10 championship, yes. But they lost ANOTHER game. By your rationale, a team could lose 3 or 4 non-conf games, but go undefeated in conference, win conference championship, and should be in the playoff?
Absolutely, All conference champs should be in the playoffs, if they win their division, with the championship game IN, go 12-0, lose championship game, OUT.It's how every other sport that exists is. And it's right.
this comes down to optics.. you have the "outta nowhere's" (Colorado, Penn State, Wash) vs. the "recent signing day Titans" (Bama, tOSU, Clemson). College football is a beauty pageant whether we like it or not... I would argue for Penn State.. as tOSU offense is hot garbage right now, and Michigan has regressed. Pitt, just like MSU, would match up well against the Bucks, as you would stack the box and their QB makes Hackenberg look like Brady as of late.-sg
They really need to expand to 8 teams so conference winners are automatically in. For now, its still subjective, but much better than before.
I think the politics angle is too big to discount as well. PSU is the NCAA's darling now, 5 short years after being the pariah of all pariahs. Hell, how else do explain the first CFP ranking of #12 when no other poll had them above #22??? It's almost a 'guilt' situation here...we're sorry for those sanctions, here's a spot in the CFP!!! I think it would be a very hard decision to put a 2 loss B1G champ in over a 1 loss and HIGHER ranked PAC12 or ACC champ. Because I think that's we are dealing with here. If CLEM and WASH win, I think they're in. And say what you want about OSU, but they're in, too. They're not going to be dropped from #2 to #5 anyway, anyhow. They're another media darling these days and committee will move heaven and earth to have a BAMA/OSU final.
Just my 2 cents...
So basically it's like WWE, fake wrestling, WrestleMania, we want to orchestrate the main event, The Hulkster vs. The Nature Boy in Primetime, it's not a true championship earned by playing the sport, YUP, that's how I see it. LOL @ college football. I refuse to watch this nonsense. F 'em until the playoff is REAL and based on winning certain games.
I have no idea what your reference means, but isnt this what everyone wanted??? A playoff?
I mean, if the 2 best teams are those 2, then they should play. Alabama is clearly and far away the best team in the nation right now, no one is even close second. And... Hurts is a Freshman, so this will happen for several more years. We all know the big ten gets far overrated each year, and their bowl records illustrates that overrating tag. But it is what it is, it will be like that unless computers eliminate the AP and goofy ass coaches poll and go completely on real data
Not like this, not SUBJECTIVE, not committees trying to pick "BEST" teams based on their opinions and biases! It's BS. First off, BEST TEAM, has NOTHING to do with being CHAMPION. Champion should be decided by WINNING a set of prescribed, predetermined competitions and games, not by OPINION as to who is most talented. Sure Alabama is most talented, but they can still lose on the field and end up not being champion.
There should be no computers, or rankings there should be automatic qualifiers based on winning certain games, divisions conferences-like in basketball. MAYBE, a small amount of teams subjectively selected to round out a number. but most should be OBJECTIVELY selected.
My personal idea would be an 8 team tournament...
1. The 5 Power 5 Conference Champs get an automatic bid, decided by WINNING on the field with no concern about subjective measures of "Best", these are the MOST DESERVING of participants.
2. The best Conference Champion of the other non-P5 conferences is chosen by a committee.
3. Two other teams are chosen as wild cards by a committee, so the preferred, blue blood "best teams" who FAIL TO PRODUCE ON THE FIELD and win their league, can get corporate welfare and a second chance after being FAILURES TO EARN a spot by playing the sport, like the conference champs did.
With this there should be no room for complaint, unless some of you start crying that the 4th best SEC team gets left out. Best of all, theoretically every team in D1-A can make the tournament. Not like it is now, how they have it reserved for 15-20 teams forever.
I dont think so... I still think Clemson, Alabama, Washington, then decide between Big 12 and Big 10 champ
Well, if Penn State wins the Big 10 and doesn't get into playoffs, it's the Rose Bowl. If Penn State loses to Wisky, it's the Cotton Bowl. Any way it works out is a nice next game, win or lose. Playoffs, Rose Bowl, or Cotton Bowl. Not bad.
But yeah, in college football the games aren't fake, but the method of determining a "champion" always has been. The winner is always about as objective as the Ms. Universe pageant.
You watch some day, Pitt will have a great year, maybe win an ACC Championship game and go 11-2 or something, and be left out of a 4 team playoff so that an SEC or B1G team that didn't win their conference can get in because they are deemed "BEST", we'll see how you all like getting only the "BEST" feels then.
You watch some day, Pitt will have a great year, maybe win an ACC Championship game and go 11-2 or something, and be left out of a 4 team playoff so that an SEC or B1G team that didn't win their conference can get in because they are deemed "BEST", we'll see how you all like getting only the "BEST" feels then.
Frankly, Oklahoma and the Big 12 stink. They're playing flag football over there.
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