Wow, Cincinnati radio station goes way too far with a PSA to Ohio women about Big Ben!!

[drunkinoakland]

I just assume all athletes are slimeballs.

I don't find the PSA offensive. Nobody is making fun of sexual assault victims, they are making fun of a guy who allegedly committed sexual assault.

Big difference.

Full disclosure I don't like Ben but he is a hell of a player. Until further evidence comes out I see him as innocent but I think his past is fair game to take shots at. Lastly, I think rivalries, especially at the pro level where idiot fans care more than the players are stupid.

 

[dchst23]

True but according to dchst23 "attorney" it still isn't illegal or immoral.

It was investigated and there was not even probable cause to charge him, let alone convict. Probable cause is a low burden to meet.

Of course, if he did what he was initially accused of it was illegal, immoral, whatever. But he wasn't even charged, so I'm not going to assume he is guilty.

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

It was investigated and there was not even probable cause to charge him, let alone convict. Probable cause is a low burden to meet.

Of course, if he did what he was initially accused of it was illegal, immoral, whatever. But he wasn't even charged, so I'm not going to assume he is guilty.

He wasn't charged because he paid the victim a giant pile of cash to not press charges.

Why is that so hard to understand?

 

[BFo8]

He wasn't charged because he paid the victim a giant pile of cash to not press charges.

Why is that so hard to understand?

This is something I think most of the people who aren't Steeler fans are aware of.

 

[dchst23]

He wasn't charged because he paid the victim a giant pile of cash to not press charges.

Why is that so hard to understand?

Actually that is not what happened.

Civil suit in Tahoe was filed AFTER police declined to file charges.
No civil suit with the college girl, to my knowledge at least. Again, no charges.

Get your facts straight.

 

[dchst23]

This is something I think most of the people who aren't Steeler fans are aware of.

Not actually what happened, but I'm too tired to try to educate people with their minds made up and axes to grind.

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

Actually that is not what happened.

Civil suit in Tahoe was filed AFTER police declined to file charges.
No civil suit with the college girl, to my knowledge at least. Again, no charges.

Get your facts straight.

I'm not talking about Tahoe. I'm talking about the girl in Georgia. The case where the police report is available on line. The case where Roethlisberger most certainly did pay her off, which is both the reason why there was no criminal case and why there was no civil suit. There is no need to file a civil suit, indeed you can't file a civil suit, when you've already been paid off.

For someone talking about getting the facts straight you don't really know what happened.

 

[vinniep33]

I'm an unabashed Steelers fan. But what made Ben's situation look worse is that he had his version of an entourage surrounding him, whose (apparent) job was to clean-up the messes.

The whole thing was sleazy and stupid. When you're the starting quarterback of a legendary franchise such as the Steelers, finding "talent" should be no more difficult than showing-up and approaching the pick-of-the-litter. The old "getting the young lady drunk" angle should never be a part of the process.

Cover ups are cover ups. Cults are Cults. Eff the ROONEYS

 

[JokePa]

Hopefully, I am raising my daughter right and she won't find her self in that stall. But if she does, she is just as responsible for her actions as the guy.
This isn't the 1950s. This isn't a morality issue.

I really dont even know what to say about that.

Yeah, of course girls shouldnt get plastered out and about it isnt safe... but it isnt safe because of sick predators that would take advantage of that. Pretty much animal behavior there. But good for you for thinking a guy just cant resist an urge to rape a defenseless victim (BTW, not talking about Big Ben, I personally have no idea what happened in that instance), and saying "hey, the girl is just as responsible". Pretty bad man.

 

[JokePa]

I used to go every year to Hawaii for the pro bowl, as my friend is close friends with Donovan McNab (super nice guy by the way). I have witnessed things I would never repeat from star athletes and also I have met many very nice players as well. Most all of I met are a bit big headed, but fandom is absolutely nuts. I mean, I was with a couple Steeler offensive linemen, not good looking dudes, not particularly in great shape, and girls were throwing themselves at them and guys kissing their behinds. Its hard to imagine how a normal guy handles that since most these kids turned into men never got to be normal. Takes a special person to handle all that.

That being said... most dont handle it, and there are a lot of performance enhancing drugs that are taken that make that situation a lot worse. You mix having that in your system, and the insecurity in their minds that they arent good enough that is why they have to use it, and falling in love with the attention, and you get lots of bad behavior. Clubs almost have to have someone follow these guys

 

[dchst23]

I really dont even know what to say about that.

Yeah, of course girls shouldnt get plastered out and about it isnt safe... but it isnt safe because of sick predators that would take advantage of that. Pretty much animal behavior there. But good for you for thinking a guy just cant resist an urge to rape a defenseless victim (BTW, not talking about Big Ben, I personally have no idea what happened in that instance), and saying "hey, the girl is just as responsible". Pretty bad man.

I didn't say that. Ben had consensual sex with an adult. For you to claim that I am "blaming the victim" is nonsense. THERE WAS NO VICTIM IF IT WAS CONSENSUAL.

 

[President Stache]

Yeah, but rape isnt between consensual people... isnt that what the women claimed he did?

 

[dchst23]

Yeah, but rape isnt between consensual people... isnt that what the women claimed he did?

And the police investigated, under intense media scrutiny, and determined there was not even probable cause to charge him.

 

[President Stache]

mmmm.... ok. That is the case is over half of all rapes. I think if it was a set-up and was 'consensual' there would be 'evidence'. Dont you?

That is enough air quotes for one morning there

 

[doubleAA's]

That is actually a very good point

 

[Jim Z]

And the police investigated, under intense media scrutiny, and determined there was not even probable cause to charge him.

This is the mindset that causes things like PSU and Big Ben. When we blindly follow sports teams. We cross a line from being a fan to idolization. These are athletes not heroes. Be a fan but more importantly be a man.

 

[dchst23]

This is the mindset that causes things like PSU and Big Ben. When we blindly follow sports teams. We cross a line from being a fan to idolization. These are athletes not heroes. Be a fan but more importantly be a man.

Um, who is the blind one? I referred to him as sleazy in a prior post. And why bring up Penn State? Talk about a sick obession. And why get personal with me? "Be an man"? Who do you think you are? Idolize? Heroes? What the hell are you talking about? You are on a website dedicated to teenagers playing football.

I am looking at this from a legal perspective. I have represented women abused in domestic cases. Men falsely accused of abuse. Women falsely accused of abuse. Juveniles, too. I've also represented clients who were guilty.

I'm done with this tread. Gotta remember to stay off the free board.

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

I didn't say that. Ben had consensual sex with an adult. For you to claim that I am "blaming the victim" is nonsense. THERE WAS NO VICTIM IF IT WAS CONSENSUAL.

From the police report:

"The encounter lasted about ten minutes, beginning from when Roethlisberger entered the back area "with his penis already out of his pants." The alleged victim repeatedly told him she didn't want to have sex, but he kept reassuring her, as they had unprotected sex. She told her friends immediately after, and they reported it to the first police officer they saw."


Let's just say that you have a much different definition of "consensual" as the rest of us and leave it at that.

 

[dchst23]

From the police report:

"The encounter lasted about ten minutes, beginning from when Roethlisberger entered the back area "with his penis already out of his pants." The alleged victim repeatedly told him she didn't want to have sex, but he kept reassuring her, as they had unprotected sex. She told her friends immediately after, and they reported it to the first police officer they saw."


Let's just say that you have a much different definition of "consensual" as the rest of us and leave it at that.

It goes without saying that is not consensual....But...The allegations were investigsted and no charges were filed. The DA flat out said no crime was committed. Goodbye.

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

The DA most certainly did not say that no crime was committed. That is simply a lie. No charges were filed because the victim didn't want to press charges. You can't win a rape case if the victim won't testify. She didn't want to press charges in large part because of the sack of cash that Roethlisberger gave her. You can't really be this dense, can you?

 

[dchst23]

The DA most certainly did not say that no crime was committed. That is simply a lie. No charges were filed because the victim didn't want to press charges. You can't win a rape case if the victim won't testify. She didn't want to press charges in large part because of the sack of cash that Roethlisberger gave her. You can't really be this dense, can you?

First, it amazes me how people on this board make personal attacks against fellow Pitt fans, or anyone for that matter, simply because of a different opinion. I guess that is how social media works. Throw insults to make your point.

Second, I believe the DA said "we prosecute crimes, we don't prosecute morals". He made reference to inconsistent statements. Lack of physical evidence. He said the decision would have been the same had the complaining witness chose to testify. And in reality, the prosecutor could have compelled her to testify.
But what do I know, I am dense...

 

[BuffetParrothead]

Oh come on. Ben wasn't even charged. He may or not be a jerk, but, to paraphrase Greg Lloyd, NLF players aren't hired for their disposition.

Didn't Ernie Holmes shoot up a police helicopter? Talk about a stain!

To play in the NFL being "off the rails" a little bit isn't a bad personality type. If you're to sane you'd probably decide its not the job for me!

Plus Ben wasn't convicted of anything and there's two side to every story!

 

[YourPittDanceTeam]

It was a civil suit and there are plenty of reasons why people settle out of court who are "innocent". For example, not wanting your personal life exposed in a long drawn out trial that will cost hundreds of thousands of dollars in legal feels and potentially being found liable because a jury found there was a 50.1 percent chance that something happened. I'm a lawyer so I guess I look at things a little different.

Look, I'm not saying he's an angel. I just don't get the hatred, especially when there are so many actual criminals that are celebrated in the league. James Harrison, come on down!

Sorry, but I'm not buying it. If he did nothing wrong, he should have fought for his innocence in a court of law. The only reason he was worried about his "personal life" being exposed is because he did something wrong. Make me sick to my stomach to see "yinzers" cheering for a guy that probably should have been in jail.
One last thing, we make comments constantly on here about psu fans being a CULT (which they clearly are), but Steelers fans exhibit the same behavior and we think nothing of it. There's something wrong with that.

 

[Pittx9]

They should have issued a warning for everyone male or female to watch out for Burfict.

 

[PittPoker]

First, it amazes me how people on this board make personal attacks against fellow Pitt fans, or anyone for that matter, simply because of a different opinion.

Now this I can agree with.

 

[Jim Z]

To play in the NFL being "off the rails" a little bit isn't a bad personality type. If you're to sane you'd probably decide its not the job for me!

Plus Ben wasn't convicted of anything and there's two side to every story!

Neither was OJ. And there's a whole lot of people who feel the Freeh Report was bogus. I just don't happen to no one of them. Those of you who are defending him, ask yourself one thing, Would you trust him around your daughter? H2P

 

[Drax1975]

Then by your way of thinking, Joe Paterno didn't do anything wrong either. Okay, we get it.

There's a difference between knowingly having a child rapist on campus with his own building and a guy who was falsely accused of crimes he DIDN'T commit nor was charged for.