Wow. Is Franklin officially a choke artist?

[Pizzaboy1]

There was a reason Tosu was a 3.5 point favorite in this game,they have better players.Tosu has been ranked top 5 in recruiting the last 4 years.Psu recruiting is no where near that level but getting closer every year.Urban knows James is closings the gap on him and in two more years they will probably be even in talent.There were like 12 5* recruits watching this game Saturday Night and no they don't care Psu lost. Franklin brought them in to soak up the atmosphere of Beaver Stadium and it was quite impressive.Even the Old Pizzaboy was there and I didn't agree with the 4th down call either.But after watching the tape if the ol makes their blocks it's a 10 yd plus gain.They didn't block it correctly an Franklin is now a choker.Let McSorley win it or lose it James not your oline.

 

[TD_6082]

The 2nd down play call was equally as bad, if not worse.

Should have kicked it earlier on 4th and short too.

 

[revampedpanthers]

Franklin is mike tomlin. He will have lots of success but lose most of the big games. He is a very good recruiter; and a above average HC. Combine those and he is a B+ head coach in a good situation. He isn't Sabin or Meyer and likely never will be but there simply isn't many of those guys around.

 

[fairgambit]

The 2nd down play call was equally as bad, if not worse.
Should have kicked it earlier on 4th and short too.

As to the kick, it would have been from 41 yards. The kicker is 0-3 this season on kicks over 40 yards.

 

[mbe 34]

Well you see, we aren’t even good enough to choke. But by goodness, we can take such joy in watching you nitters get bounced from the playoff.

And it feels so so much better knowing that nitter football is the #1 thing in your lives.

So sure, we are bad. But you are out.

Rest assured - I’m no Ped State supporter - That’s funny.
I’ve found being pragmatic is the best way to follow Pitt football.
Especially this year. Expectations were high with last years finish and dreams of a wonderkin QB.
I could live with the Ped State debacle. The North Carolina loss was worse. This latest embarrassment has me thinking Paul Hackett / Majors2 incompetence.
I still delight when the Peds lose - but this team is showing BIG problems.
Duzz is retrogressing. Pitt is getting worse - not better.
Pitt is a dog at home against Syracuse???
I’m thinking 4-8 - not sure where those other wins come from

 

[passedout]

I don't know, I thinks its more OSU is like state's New England. They just can't get passed them. Alot are focusing on the bone head welping 4th down, but the 96 yd drive at home late in 4th said more. And OSU without their best player and Mcsorley looking like Vince Young, still kept them in the 20's.

Bosa, their other stud DL got hurt and missed a chunk of the game, and 2 starting secondary were out as well -- one starting DB was tossed for that weak targeting call. OSU was missing ALL those starters and STILL shut down the nitwits. OSU is just THAT much better -- psu will always be thwir lil bro, with the occasional upset.

 

[paulbl99]

Franklin is mike tomlin. He will have lots of success but lose most of the big games. He is a very good recruiter; and a above average HC. Combine those and he is a B+ head coach in a good situation. He isn't Sabin or Meyer and likely never will be but there simply isn't many of those guys around.

Well said....
Frankie is just good enough to convince the NIT that State College U is really the best team in the country at seasons end, when it is not.

And that is all that matters in the Valley of the Happy Horseshite!!!!

 

[BOBURSO]

Wish we were in that position, national televised game, with some national championship ramifications, and a coach put in a position to make a decision good or bad. But we are not, we are only good at pointing
Out when others choke. We can’t get out of our own way most games, so just give me the opportunity to have a coach choke just once, it be fun wouldn’t it?

 

[paulbl99]

Wish we were in that position, national televised game, with some national championship ramifications, and a coach put in a position to make a decision good or bad. But we are not, we are only good at pointing
Out when others choke. We can’t get out of our own way most games, so just give me the opportunity to have a coach choke just once, it be fun wouldn’t it?

He has had a propensity for blowing big leads in a few big games..but having said that imo he’s ahead of schedule. He has some true freshman who are burners and some real ball players. They won’t win it all this season ( except in Happy Valley) nor not likely next( except in Happy Valley) , but in two yrs he should have a powerhouse with talent depth and experience...

 

[PittFanDan17]

Bosa, their other stud DL got hurt and missed a chunk of the game, and 2 starting secondary were out as well -- one starting DB was tossed for that weak targeting call. OSU was missing ALL those starters and STILL shut down the nitwits. OSU is just THAT much better -- psu will always be thwir lil bro, with the occasional upset.

OSU was THAT much better than PSU? Hell if thats getting "shut down" by the buckeyes I wish Pitt could put up that good of a fight against them or a team like, maybe UNC?

 

[Panther Parrothead]

I don’t think Franklin choked. I think that on that 4th-down play, he was trying to prove to 111,000 home fans and to the national audience that he was the smartest coach in Beaver Stadium - Urban Meyer be damned.

The smart call was to keep the ball in the hands of his talented quarterback. But instead of abiding by the old adage that “the most obvious call is usually the best call”, Franklin tried to outsmart a coach who’s clearly in a different class than he is. Franklin’s fellow coaches voted him as being overrated, and once again he was exposed.

With Franklin, what you see is what you get. He’s a huckster with a convincing gift of gab, and that makes him an A-1 recruiter.

He’s fortunate to be working for a university that has deep pockets and never hesitates to spend whatever it takes to build a winner. (The Nits have shown the world that they would even sell their souls to field a winning football team.) So they have no qualms about spending a ton of money on a great staff of assistants who will keep the Nits an annual contender - in spite of the game day decisions of their head coach.

 

[passedout]

Franklin is mike tomlin. He will have lots of success but lose most of the big games. He is a very good recruiter; and a above average HC. Combine those and he is a B+ head coach in a good situation. He isn't Sabin or Meyer and likely never will be but there simply isn't many of those guys around.

Right... He's the typical "car salesman" coach with the luxury of a large fanbase to sell. He's in a good situation, but they are not going to win any national championships with him -- he's "schtick" will wear thin soon enough.

 

[President Stache]

Franklin is mike tomlin. He will have lots of success but lose most of the big games. He is a very good recruiter; and a above average HC. Combine those and he is a B+ head coach in a good situation. He isn't Sabin or Meyer and likely never will be but there simply isn't many of those guys around.

Franklin and Milke Tomlin couldnt be more different.

Franklin is a verbose car salesman that is insane, loves running up scores, loves looking at his coach's wives, hires women to lure recruits around campus, and is utterly slimy.

Tomlin is a well spoken, to the point guy that does things morally right. He is a leader. There is no comparison between the 2.

 

[Pizzaboy1]

Jealousy is the highest Form of flattery and I think we're all flattered of what's happening at Psu in football.I was there Saturday night to see 110,000 screaming people,175 recruits with 12 being 5*,national tv,highest viewed tv game of the year.I'm jealous because Wvu can't be an elite program and Psu can and will be.Psu will return 18 starters next year and be top 10 again,Wvu will lose Grier and be mediocre damn right I'm jealous!

 

[07mantle]

I only saw the end of the game. If Narduzzi called that horrible 4th down play could you imagine this board?

He cant beat good teams, and OSU was without their best player, and one of the best players in the NCAA in Bosa

Rest assured Narduzzi wouldn’t have made a horrible call like that in the 4th period but only because of all horrible bad calls he’d have made earlier

 

[President Stache]

Rest assured Narduzzi wouldn’t have made a horrible call like that in the 4th period but only because of all horrible bad calls he’d have made earlier

Well, football is played in quarters

And, how does making early calls prevent you from making other bad calls?

 

[07mantle]

Well, football is played in quarters

And, how does making early calls prevent you from making other bad calls?

Sorry Prez .. was some ‘tongue in check’ humor .... point being he can’t make a horrible decision in a ‘critical ‘ situation when there are no ‘critical’ decisions to be made late in the game when you’re down 30 points and there’s nobody left in the stands to see it or much less give a crap at that point

 

[denniskembala]

Up by 12 with 8 minutes to go and lose? And that 4th down call?

This isn’t his first blown game either, the guy can’t beat good teams. He also struggles with the lead. Eye opening night in Creepy Valley - Franklin is like the Andy Reid of college football.

You = tard.

 

[DiehardPanther]

You = tard.

Why do you care Nitwit?

 

[ncyajleel]

You = Expert on tardmenship.

You = tard.

 

[FireballZ]

Curious - has it been in the news at all in the Pittsburgh area about how he had to be held back from getting into a fight with a fan after the game, or was such story 'whitewashed' again in journalistic Nitterland?

 

[Slick Manager of Champs]

It is not so much little brother as much as it is different priorities. This is obvious.

However, you can feel like a little brother and imagine yourself through such a sorry lens.

he claims to be a pitt fan yet only posts on PSU discussions and in their defense. Not too hard to figure this one out.

 

[Slick Manager of Champs]

The 2nd down play call was equally as bad, if not worse.

Should have kicked it earlier on 4th and short too.

andy staple made a convincing argument that the play call wasn't bad at all but the execution was very poor

 

[the rigger]

I think Pete Carroll would be up there pretty high with what happened in the Super Bowl yes I know that's only one game compared to 4/5 from Franklin but both of them were really stupid plays

 

[denniskembala]

You = Expert on tardmenship.

Especially at recognizing those so afflicted.

 

[revampedpanthers]

He has had a propensity for blowing big leads in a few big games..but having said that imo he’s ahead of schedule. He has some true freshman who are burners and some real ball players. They won’t win it all this season ( except in Happy Valley) nor not likely next( except in Happy Valley) , but in two yrs he should have a powerhouse with talent depth and experience...

PSU's problem(I wouldn't really call it a problem) is they might be better next year and still take a drop because Mcsorley. I know they are high on the backup QB but it will be hard for him to be as good and he doesn't have much experience which will likely cost them a few games. Then in 2020 they will again be breaking in a new QB. Tough to make the playoff's with a first year QB. MI and OSU will always have similar talent to PSU, they are unlikely to ever just blow those teams off the field with talent alone. Still PSU looks very similar to the PSU of the early 90's. They are going to win lots of games the next few years but I don't see them as a legit contender for a few more years simply because of the QB situation. If they had this OL play last year they likely make it.

 

[revampedpanthers]

Franklin and Milke Tomlin couldnt be more different.

Franklin is a verbose car salesman that is insane, loves running up scores, loves looking at his coach's wives, hires women to lure recruits around campus, and is utterly slimy.

Tomlin is a well spoken, to the point guy that does things morally right. He is a leader. There is no comparison between the 2.

I wasn't comparing them off the field or the quality of person. It was a football comparison. Tomlin isn't known as a X's and O's guy or for his game management, neither is Franklin. Tomlin is known as a players coach as is Franklin. Tomlin struggles against Belicheck, Franklin against Meyer. Both have had a lot of wins but haven't won anything in awhile(tomlin)

 

[PittFanDan17]

PSU's problem(I wouldn't really call it a problem) is they might be better next year and still take a drop because Mcsorley. I know they are high on the backup QB but it will be hard for him to be as good and he doesn't have much experience which will likely cost them a few games. Then in 2020 they will again be breaking in a new QB. Tough to make the playoff's with a first year QB. MI and OSU will always have similar talent to PSU, they are unlikely to ever just blow those teams off the field with talent alone. Still PSU looks very similar to the PSU of the early 90's. They are going to win lots of games the next few years but I don't see them as a legit contender for a few more years simply because of the QB situation. If they had this OL play last year they likely make it.

Wasnt there a discussion on the boards about how awful and mediocre McSorley is? If anything, wouldnt that make their outlook better for next year?

I just hope we make it a respectable game, but i can see it getting ugly. I went last year up to the game with my buds, but there is no way im going again if Pitt continues to struggle this year.

 

[revampedpanthers]

Wasnt there a discussion on the boards about how awful and mediocre McSorley is? If anything, wouldnt that make their outlook better for next year?

I just hope we make it a respectable game, but i can see it getting ugly. I went last year up to the game with my buds, but there is no way im going again if Pitt continues to struggle this year.

to your first point maybe I am not sure. I have said before he was really streaky but he seems to have fixed that this season so far. I can pretty much guarantee you the QB next year won't be as good as mcsorley. Just like I could pretty much guarantee you sanders wouldn't be as good as barkley(he isn't he does have much better blockers) and their new TE would be as good as Geiski(not close at this point).
AS for going to the game, I wouldn't even consider it at this point. Pitt isn't going to be good next year either and I would expect PSU to be 9-3 or 10-2 depending on how stiff the competition is in the B10. I don't follow that conference so I don't know how good anyone other than OSU will be.

 

[Pizzaboy1]

My prediction is starting in 2020 Franklin will surpass Tosu and be the top dog in the Big.Further more I don't think Myers will be there after 2-3 more years.But what does a retired public school teacher from Greene County know!

 

[sappycrease]

Bump. He’s been exposed.

3-11 vs Michigan, OSU, and Sparty. The most overrated coach in college strikes again!

 

[pittiswhereiamfrom2]

Penn State likely would have been #5 or maybe even #4 if they had won.

 

[upj87]

I guess he’s a “choker’ but what is Pitt?
Embarrassing losses to Ok St, Ped St, UCF.

I wish Duzz was a “choker” too.

only a Pitt fan from a certain segment of Pitt fandom would take a shot at Pitt in the middle of an otherwise enjoyable Penn State bashing...what's up with that?

 

[Pitt-Chains]

only a Pitt fan from a certain segment of Pitt fandom would take a shot at Pitt in the middle of an otherwise enjoyable Penn State bashing...what's up with that?

Is he a PITT fan...

Which reminds me.. where's poker?