Yellen applying for waiver

[superstein61a]

My take on this is:

1. Why not try for a waiver. Even if he gets it, he can still RS if he doesn't win the job.

My take on this is you are an idiot with zero reading comprehension and no clue how things work.

1. If you would read the posts in this thread you would know he can't redshirt - he already redshirted in 2019. He either has to sit out due to transfer rules or he plays - and since he redshirted already the year is irrelevant.

 

[Zeldas Open Roof]

My take on this is you are an idiot with zero reading comprehension and no clue how things work.

1. If you would read the posts in this thread you would know he can't redshirt - he already redshirted in 2019. He either has to sit out due to transfer rules or he plays - and since he redshirted already the year is irrelevant.

I was unaware of this. So he either sits cause of transfer rules or he is eligible and competes for the backup. Either way, in ‘21, he’s a jr with 2 years of eligibility.

so it makes sense to try and get waiver. There is literally nothing to lose. Thank you for clarification.

 

[superstein61a]

I was unaware of this. So he either sits cause of transfer rules or he is eligible and competes for the backup. Either way, in ‘21, he’s a jr with 2 years of eligibility.

so it makes sense to try and get waiver. There is literally nothing to lose. Thank you for clarification.

in 21 he is a RS Soph with 3 years eligibility remaining

2019 - was his redshirt season
2020 is his freshman season

 

[Chaos]

It's interesting to ponder what may be their basis for asking for a waiver.

All the other QBs who are transferring are getting one? Definitely worth a shot.

 

[YourPittDanceTeam]

Wrong. 4 seasons in 5 years

http://www.ncaa.org/student-athletes/current/transfer-terms

Division I five-year clock: If you play at a Division I school, you have five-calendar years in which to play four seasons of competition. Your five-year clock starts when you enroll as a full-time student at any college. Thereafter, your clock continues, even if you spend an academic year in residence as a result of transferring; decide to red shirt, if you do not attend school or even if you go part-time during your college career.

Since Yellen redshirted at ASU in 2019 - he has 4 more calendar years left on his clock to play 4 seasons. So 2020 will run one year off his clock whether he is eligible or not

This is 100% correct. It is 5 years to do 4 years. The only exceptions (at least at the time when Pitt attempted to get another year of eligibility for me) was for a "religious commitment, or a military commitment" during a time of war.
They can also add an additional year via the medical redshirt route.

 

[Parkview57]

All the other QBs who are transferring are getting one?

Thanks, that makes sense. It does lead to similar question with a broader application. Has the NCAA changed its standards and is allowing the rs year to act as a year of "sitting" whether at the old or new school? Perhaps the NCAA is taking a pro-athlete stance on playing 4 in 5 .

I have not been paying attention to these items.

 

[rmf05]

It seems that he will have to claim some sort of hardship. There are non-injury forms of hardships that are related to coaches as we've seen with the men's bb team in the past, family hardships, school hardship's etc. The NCAA has become very liberal with all of them in fear of lawsuits.

 

[Zeldas Open Roof]

in 21 he is a RS Soph with 3 years eligibility remaining

2019 - was his redshirt season
2020 is his freshman season

So basically he is applying for a waiver to get 4 years of eligibility. We’ve never had a third year freshman before.

 

[cashisking884]

All the other QBs who are transferring are getting one? Definitely worth a shot.

Most aren’t. There have just been some high profile ones that got everybody’s attention. But usually guys like Eason at Washington or the Oregon kid that went to VT last year, have all been traditional sit out a year types.

 

[melwood]

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(Insert Oprah voice...) YOU GET A WAIVER!!! YOU GET A WAIVER!!! YOU GET A WAIVER!!!

 

[pittdan77]

So basically he is applying for a waiver to get 4 years of eligibility. We’ve never had a third year freshman before.

Well yes. And no. All this tread proves is that the rule is kinda dumb because it's a rule that isn't a rule in some cases.

 

[JokePa]

He realized that after the first spring practice where they aren’t even allowed to wear pads?? Amazing.. the other qbs must have really been unimpressive in their stretching routines in shorts for Whipple to come to such a definite conclusion so quickly.

Seriously, what are you talking about?

Pickett was the starter. Why on Earth would a coach not say his starter is the starter????

Clearly, in the past they have no problem with pulling QBs for better options, even if the options arent that good, as shown last year. Max Browne to the ridiculously bad DiNucci to Pickett the year before as well? Its happened often actually.

 

[Zeldas Open Roof]

Seriously, what are you talking about?

Pickett was the starter. Why on Earth would a coach not say his starter is the starter????

Clearly, in the past they have no problem with pulling QBs for better options, even if the options arent that good, as shown last year. Max Browne to the ridiculously bad DiNucci to Pickett the year before as well? Its happened often actually.

Wow, you missed the whole point of this.

 

[President Stache]

Seriously, what are you talking about?

Pickett was the starter. Why on Earth would a coach not say his starter is the starter????

Clearly, in the past they have no problem with pulling QBs for better options, even if the options arent that good, as shown last year. Max Browne to the ridiculously bad DiNucci to Pickett the year before as well? Its happened often actually.

Everyone’s favorite qb is the backup. I’ve never said Pickett is a Tom Brady, and I welcome a qb open audition, but no coach is playing his worst option

 

[JokePa]

Wow, you missed the whole point of this.

What is your point? Seemed to say incorrectly that Narduzzi and Whipple arent willing to have competition at the QB position??

 

[Zeldas Open Roof]

What is your point? Seemed to say incorrectly that Narduzzi and Whipple arent willing to have competition at the QB position??

not worth re-hashing, we beat it to death back in the spring. i'll tell you what though, if the same thing happens again with whipple after the first practice then we can do it all over again and you can jump in and debate..

 

[Zeldas Open Roof]

Everyone’s favorite qb is the backup. I’ve never said Pickett is a Tom Brady, and I welcome a qb open audition, but no coach is playing his worst option

this is not true, a strawman.. patti and George were backups, very few if any on here had them as our favorites.. mason Rudolph and the duck man behind ben and trust me, no steeler fan in their right mind has mason Rudolph as their favorite qb.. go back to when we had decent backup qbs, still not the case. leftwich and that gradkowski, not one steeler fan on the planet wanted them to start..

you guys keep saying this and it literally has zero basis of truth. are we over critical of pickett? Maybe, probably. but i don't see everyone as you guys claim, screaming for the backup qb to start. this is the strawman of all of strawmen.. It's ok to be critical of your starting qb after they play a very poor game.. it's called being a fan..

 

[JokePa]

not worth re-hashing, we beat it to death back in the spring. i'll tell you what though, if the same thing happens again with whipple after the first practice then we can do it all over again and you can jump in and debate..

Yeah, I thought it had no basis.

Well, keep spouting things with no truth behind it, that will be sure to not have dissenting opinions.

 

[Zeldas Open Roof]

Yeah, I thought it had no basis.

Well, keep spouting things with no truth behind it, that will be sure to not have dissenting opinions.

lol.. dude was quoted at saying that Pickett is the starter on the first day of practice of spring camp. i gave the quote, i gave the time and date. first year coach, who admitted to not watching any game tape from 2018, watched one practice of spring camp with players in helmets and shorts, and using that as his basis, gave the starting job to pickett. a QB who came off a terrible year btw.. He ended any chance of a qb competition after the first practice of spring camp.

walk away from this one jokepa, you're over your head on this one, and about 8 months too late..

 

[TIGER-PAUL]

Meh, nobody here knows. Even people with ‘sources’ said Hamlin no and Mack no.

 

[Gunga_Galunga]

lol.. dude was quoted at saying that Pickett is the starter on the first day of practice of spring camp. i gave the quote, i gave the time and date. first year coach, who admitted to not watching any game tape from 2018, watched one practice of spring camp with players in helmets and shorts, and using that as his basis, gave the starting job to pickett. a QB who came off a terrible year btw.. He ended any chance of a qb competition after the first practice of spring camp.

walk away from this one jokepa, you're over your head on this one, and about 8 months too late..

In an earlier post you admitted Patti and George were backups and weren't going to start. Then why are you bent at Whipple for proclaiming Pickett the starter? Of course Kenny was the starter. Everyone knew Kenny was the starter. It was up to one of the other guys to unseat him. They didn't.

I fully expect them to say Pickett is the starter again. There is no reason why they wouldn't. It doesn't mean that someone can't take his job.

 

[Macchiato]

Seems like he wouldn't try unless he was told there'd be a legitimate competition for the starting position?

Remember the year when Wanny was coach and three QBs went down with injuries? Pickett was banged up this year and down for a game. He would try because he could be one play away from being a starter

 

[9nationalchampionships]

The eligibility process and requirements seems way too subjective. Under what grounds would Yellen achieve eligibility?

 

[H2P-2007]

The fact that the coaches are backing this seems to me to mean one of two things. The coaches either think that:

1. Yellen is better than Pickett (seeing as how spring practice hasnt happened yet, I doubt this); or

2. The coaches think that this could be a special year, and think that Yellen is head and shoulders better than Belville and Patti. They want to make sure the season isnt derailed by an injury to Pickett.

 

[Gunga_Galunga]

The fact that the coaches are backing this seems to me to mean one of two things. The coaches either think that:

1. Yellen is better than Pickett (seeing as how spring practice hasnt happened yet, I doubt this); or

2. The coaches think that this could be a special year, and think that Yellen is head and shoulders better than Belville and Patti. They want to make sure the season isnt derailed by an injury to Pickett.

There is no reason not to back it. He is either eligible or he loses a year. It's that cut and dry.

Why wouldn't they want him eligible?

 

[King Of All Message Boards]

There is no reason not to back it. He is either eligible or he loses a year. It's that cut and dry.

Why wouldn't they want him eligible?

This is correct. I got so caught up in the non competition portion of this “debate” that I completely overlooked the eligibility side. His max number of years will not be impacted by whether he’s eligible or plays next year. So it’s a no brainer to try for eligibility. I don’t think it’s likely but other kids have gotten it granted when the reasons were sketchy at best.

Didn’t Martell get his granted? That’s a mystery.

 

[9nationalchampionships]

I'll bet one of the questions he did not ask was - Is it usually sunny in Pittsburgh?

 

[H2P-2007]

This is correct. I got so caught up in the non competition portion of this “debate” that I completely overlooked the eligibility side. His max number of years will not be impacted by whether he’s eligible or plays next year. So it’s a no brainer to try for eligibility. I don’t think it’s likely but other kids have gotten it granted when the reasons were sketchy at best.

Didn’t Martell get his granted? That’s a mystery.

I did too - thanks for reminding me.

 

[rmf05]

The eligibility process and requirements seems way too subjective. Under what grounds would Yellen achieve eligibility?

Injury waiver: does not apply here.
Personal waiver (such as a family emergency): which doesn't apply here.
Academic waiver such aschanging majors to one that Pitt has and not ASU (very unlikely).

Other personal waivers can be obtained if you have a grievance against someone at the previous school. He might be trying to say the ASU staff is guilty of mistreating him in some way, just as an example.

 

[TheSpecialSauce]

He might as well apply. No harm in doing so.

 

[FireballZ]

Let’s hope that someone on the ASU bowling team called him a cracker at some point last year.

 

[steelcurtain55.]

lol.. dude was quoted at saying that Pickett is the starter on the first day of practice of spring camp. i gave the quote, i gave the time and date. first year coach, who admitted to not watching any game tape from 2018, watched one practice of spring camp with players in helmets and shorts, and using that as his basis, gave the starting job to pickett. a QB who came off a terrible year btw.. He ended any chance of a qb competition after the first practice of spring camp.

walk away from this one jokepa, you're over your head on this one, and about 8 months too late..

Do you really think Whipple did not see Pickett's film (highlights) prior to coming here? GTFOH if you think he didn't see what he was going to rest his reputation on prior to coming here. He might not have broken down film - no one does that in his situation. But, you're a fool if you believe he didn't see Pitckett.

Secondly, just because he said "starter" doesn't mean their isn't a competition.

Lastly, there was no competition at QB last year. The backups were nowhere near Kenny. The coaches knew this, the backups know it, the players know it.

There was no "conspiracy" that we had some backup that if given a few more reps every day with the #1's would unseat Kenny and make us a better team.

 

[President Stache]

lol.. dude was quoted at saying that Pickett is the starter on the first day of practice of spring camp. i gave the quote, i gave the time and date. first year coach, who admitted to not watching any game tape from 2018, watched one practice of spring camp with players in helmets and shorts, and using that as his basis, gave the starting job to pickett. a QB who came off a terrible year btw.. He ended any chance of a qb competition after the first practice of spring camp.

walk away from this one jokepa, you're over your head on this one, and about 8 months too late..

Add me to the list that doesn’t get your point of a coach calling the starter the starter? We had no one else on the team with even a snap under center right?

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

Add me to the list that doesn’t get your point of a coach calling the starter the starter? We had no one else on the team with even a snap under center right?

Don't most teams put out depth charts before the start of practice? And doesn't that, kind of by definition, call someone "the starter"?

 

[Zeldas Open Roof]

Ok. Just as long as yellen and beville know that they have zero chance of even competing for a job because whipples mind is made up, I’m cool with it.

guy came here to compete in a situation where it doesn’t exist, if he’s cool with it, what do I care.

 

[steelcurtain55.]

Ok. Just as long as yellen and beville know that they have zero chance of even competing for a job because whipples mind is made up, I’m cool with it.

guy came here to compete in a situation where it doesn’t exist, if he’s cool with it, what do I care.

Who said anything about this year?