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I honestly believe that if Dixon beats Nova and goes to a Final 4 and then just for kicks add a win over Wisconsin thus year and say we hypothetically fall to Xavier last night, that it still wouldn't be enough for the yinzers. Just my opinion but many here would still be using the same arguments.

There is an almost reasonable position to take that Dixon has hit a plateau or that he needs a change of scenery. However the stupidity of this board saying he can't coach is unacceptable.
 
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drunkinoakland said:
I honestly believe that if Dixon beats Nova and goes to a Final 4 and then just for kicks add a win over Wisconsin thus year and say we hypothetically fall to Xavier last night, that it still wouldn't be enough for the yinzers. Just my opinion but many here would still be using the same arguments.

There is an almost reasonable position to take that Dixon has hit a plateau or that he needs a change of scenery. However the stupidity of this board saying he can't coach is unacceptable.
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Agree with all.
 
drunkinoakland said:
I honestly believe that if Dixon beats Nova and goes to a Final 4 and then just for kicks add a win over Wisconsin thus year and say we hypothetically fall to Xavier last night, that it still wouldn't be enough for the yinzers. Just my opinion but many here would still be using the same arguments.

There is an almost reasonable position to take that Dixon has hit a plateau or that he needs a change of scenery. However the stupidity of this board saying he can't coach is unacceptable.
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Maybe, maybe not but why should Jamie care what we think? Pitt rarely, rarely gets talked about on Talk Radio here, so much so.that they dont even have Fan Reaction anymore. Don't read the papers, dont go on like 3 message boards on the entire internet that discuss Pitt.
 
drunkinoakland said:
There is an almost reasonable position to take that Dixon has hit a plateau or that he needs a change of scenery. However the stupidity of this board saying he can't coach is unacceptable.
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Completely agree. It's the eagerness to run off our best coach ever that is so over the top. JD has failed in several ways. There are valid criticisms. There is a valid conversation to be had about looking for a new coach. The vitriol he faces is just nutty. The hyperbole of how he has "embarrassed the institution" is extremely annoying.
 
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GrowthHormone said:
Completely agree. It's the eagerness to run off our best coach ever that is so over the top. JD has failed in several ways. There are valid criticisms. There is a valid conversation to be had about looking for a new coach. The vitriol he faces is just nutty. The hyperbole of how he has "embarrassed the institution" is extremely annoying.
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It's still Dixon's decision. No hankering by folks on a message board will impact what happens here. The laughable thing will be that if he does leave the JD groupies will blame it on the Pitt fans and their lack of appreciation for his accomplishments which will be complete nonsense
 
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Completely agree. It's the eagerness to run off our best coach ever that is so over the top. JD has failed in several ways. There are valid criticisms. There is a valid conversation to be had about looking for a new coach. The vitriol he faces is just nutty. The hyperbole of how he has "embarrassed the institution" is extremely annoying.
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where did anyone say he embarrassed the institution?
 
drunkinoakland said:
I honestly believe that if Dixon beats Nova and goes to a Final 4 and then just for kicks add a win over Wisconsin thus year and say we hypothetically fall to Xavier last night, that it still wouldn't be enough for the yinzers. Just my opinion but many here would still be using the same arguments.

There is an almost reasonable position to take that Dixon has hit a plateau or that he needs a change of scenery. However the stupidity of this board saying he can't coach is unacceptable.
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Zeise's blog indicated Jamie didn't want to make any changes to his staff, which in no uncertain terms was going to be forced on him to do.

So 5 years of decline, a horrendous loss on Friday and recruiting way off and Dixon still wants everything status quo?? C'mon that alone should draft his walking papers.
 
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I honestly believe that if Dixon beats Nova and goes to a Final 4 and then just for kicks add a win over Wisconsin thus year and say we hypothetically fall to Xavier last night, that it still wouldn't be enough for the yinzers. Just my opinion but many here would still be using the same arguments.

There is an almost reasonable position to take that Dixon has hit a plateau or that he needs a change of scenery. However the stupidity of this board saying he can't coach is unacceptable.
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Yeah, because only YInzers in Pittsburgh complain. I am pretty sure everything is all peaches and cream down in UK country right now.
 
Disagree - if ANY of the following had happened, Just One, then a lot of people would not be to this point. It is a combination of a lot of things.

1) Beat Butler when we were the #1 Seed
2) Made the Sweet 16 any year since our Elite 8 team
3) Landed a good recruiting class in either of the current Fr or So classes
4) Had an elite player like Heron coming in next year.
5) The current team played well as a unit and showed leadership leading people to believe all is well.
6) If we were a Top 25 team either last year or this year
7) If we looked good in the NCAA tournament win or lose.
 
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For one, steel curtain called the last 5 years an embarrassment to Pitt.
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-You bet I did. 1 Tournament win in 5 years. 1.

-You want to act average, you will be average. You want to talk big and be average, you are still average. You win big, you can talk and walk big.
 
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I honestly believe that if Dixon beats Nova and goes to a Final 4 and then just for kicks add a win over Wisconsin thus year and say we hypothetically fall to Xavier last night, that it still wouldn't be enough for the yinzers. Just my opinion but many here would still be using the same arguments.

There is an almost reasonable position to take that Dixon has hit a plateau or that he needs a change of scenery. However the stupidity of this board saying he can't coach is unacceptable.
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Good lord if people still bitched then, I don't know what to tell them. Just about every loss on it's own was terrible, but overall Jamie has done a fantastic job here. Hands down the best hoops coach we've ever had. It's actually sad people are cheering for him to leave.
 
I always gave JD credit for being a pretty smart guy. If he takes the TCU job, that would pretty much prove he isn't.

He's still pretty young for a successful HC, and I'm sure he wants to continue coaching for at least 10 or 15 years. Why would he kill his career by going to a dead end location like TCU?

Money? I don't read him as a $$$ first guy.
If he really wants out, he should do everything in his power to get Pitt back to where he had it a few years ago, then he can leave on his own terms to a better situation than he has here.
Now if he's being told he's done here by the powers to be, then all bets are off. Barnes has indicated otherwise, so we'll see.........
 
FreeportPanther said:
He's still pretty young for a successful HC, and I'm sure he wants to continue coaching for at least 10 or 15 years. Why would he kill his career by going to a dead end location like TCU?
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Not even disagreeing with you, but it is his alma mater for one. Also have you noticed how quickly his hair turned gray? The stress here is probably just getting at him. For a guy that has such a high winning percentage and is such a great representative of this university, it probably gets to him that it's not enough for some fans. At TCU he can go to his alma mater, a Christian school where they will always love him there, and he probably will make them a more competitive program.
 
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Not even disagreeing with you, but it is his alma mater for one. Also have you noticed how quickly his hair turned gray? The stress here is probably just getting at him. For a guy that has such a high winning percentage and is such a great representative of this university, it probably gets to him that it's not enough for some fans. At TCU he can go to his alma mater, a Christian school where they will always love him there, and he probably will make them a more competitive program.
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At least he has hair!
Christian schools boot coaches just as fast as the hethen schools if they don't win or earn their money.
Alma Mater factor very over rated!
 
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Do you honestly think 1 UK fan is trying to run off Calipari?
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Given the fact that no fan can actually run any coach off the answer is no at UK and no at Pitt. But yes, I spoke with a UK fan this morning at work who said he is getting tired of the one and dones with Cal. And this is not an irrational person on a day to day work basis. But my God when you talk Kentucky Basketball he changes.
 
IamHeisenberg said:
Given the fact that no fan can actually run any coach off the answer is no at UK and no at Pitt. But yes, I spoke with a UK fan this morning at work who said he is getting tired of the one and dones with Cal. And this is not an irrational person on a day to day work basis. But my God when you talk Kentucky Basketball he changes.
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lol....good point. Sports can otherwise make lunatics out of rational people, much like politics.
 
UPitt129 said:
You said I'm settling. That implies that me settling has an impact on the program.

Otherwise, why would it matter?
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No dude my post was a complete rip off on that goofy cable commercial

Not at you at all!!
Sorry
 
steel_curtain said:
-You bet I did. 1 Tournament win in 5 years. 1.

-You want to act average, you will be average. You want to talk big and be average, you are still average. You win big, you can talk and walk big.
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What, specifically, do YOU do to help make Pitt "walk big?"
 
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What, specifically, do YOU do to help make Pitt "walk big?"
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-Im not the head basketball coach, its not my job.

1) Talk with humility if I am Jamie Dixon. Why can John Calipari, love him or hate him, admit if his team loses its because of him. Jamie Dixon never takes responsibility for loss, only excuses. The Wisconsin loss was his doing. The Butler choke was his doing. All we get is excuses from Dixon, not "The team lost because of me".

2) As far as Im concerned, at this point in time, Jamie Dixon is a flat out weak leader. When Narduzzi rumors surfaced that he may look at other jobs, he went right to the media and squashed those rumors immediately, saying Im a Pitt guy and you can stop with the non-sense, Im not going anywhere and Im staying at Pitt. When has Dixon ever addressed the media and said Im a Pitt guy and not leaving Pitt. Never. Always renegotiation, pay increase. Always rumors every other year of him leaving for this team or that team.

3) Jamie Dixon's pay for his performance is a joke. Most overpaid Coach in College basketball right now. 1 Tournament win in 5 years, really? We just lost to Wisconsin in the first round and already talking with TCU instead of reflecting on the loss with his coaches, his players, the administration, really? Leader my ass at this point, when he proves he is the next Jim Calhoun and starts going to the Final 4 or Wins a title, he can back up his greatness.
 
drunkinoakland said:
I honestly believe that if Dixon beats Nova and goes to a Final 4 and then just for kicks add a win over Wisconsin thus year and say we hypothetically fall to Xavier last night, that it still wouldn't be enough for the yinzers. Just my opinion but many here would still be using the same arguments.

There is an almost reasonable position to take that Dixon has hit a plateau or that he needs a change of scenery. However the stupidity of this board saying he can't coach is unacceptable.
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It's been too long since I've lived in Pittsburgh, but I get what you mean about the yinzer mentality. Dixon can absolutely coach, and yes, perhaps he has reached his plateau here, which if is true, is kind of sad for both he and the Pitt BB fans.
 
I can only imagine all the Dixon nay-sayers who are convinced we must achieve more hold themselves to the same high standard. After graduating Pitt, they cured cancer, have a a gorgeous body, their children are savants and they donate generously to worthy causes. These upstanding moral beings certainly hold themselves to the same standards they hold the university and its coach to: Perfection or else
 
drunkinoakland said:
I honestly believe that if Dixon beats Nova and goes to a Final 4 and then just for kicks add a win over Wisconsin thus year and say we hypothetically fall to Xavier last night, that it still wouldn't be enough for the yinzers. Just my opinion but many here would still be using the same arguments.

There is an almost reasonable position to take that Dixon has hit a plateau or that he needs a change of scenery. However the stupidity of this board saying he can't coach is unacceptable.
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I believe the proper saying is "Yinzers gonna yinz."
 
Cavalier Panther said:
I can only imagine all the Dixon nay-sayers who are convinced we must achieve more hold themselves to the same high standard. After graduating Pitt, they cured cancer, have a a gorgeous body, their children are savants and they donate generously to worthy causes. These upstanding moral beings certainly hold themselves to the same standards they hold the university and its coach to: Perfection or else
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If u are being paid $3 million, then u are held to a higher standard. Not complicated.
 
drunkinoakland said:
I honestly believe that if Dixon beats Nova and goes to a Final 4 and then just for kicks add a win over Wisconsin thus year and say we hypothetically fall to Xavier last night, that it still wouldn't be enough for the yinzers. Just my opinion but many here would still be using the same arguments.

There is an almost reasonable position to take that Dixon has hit a plateau or that he needs a change of scenery. However the stupidity of this board saying he can't coach is unacceptable.
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I don't think so. Sure, there will be detractors. I mean Jamie had his detractors in 2009, when the program was ranked #1 in the polls and a #1 seed. That is what it is, because the Yinzer factor wanted that "Pittsburgh guy" (meaning Calipari).

But I think you put that final 4, even though it is one game, one win, hell 10 seconds more than what we had then, and beat Wisky in this tourney then lose to Xavier, there is nowhere near the angst and disappointment.
 
drunkinoakland said:
I honestly believe that if Dixon beats Nova and goes to a Final 4 and then just for kicks add a win over Wisconsin thus year and say we hypothetically fall to Xavier last night, that it still wouldn't be enough for the yinzers. Just my opinion but many here would still be using the same arguments.

There is an almost reasonable position to take that Dixon has hit a plateau or that he needs a change of scenery. However the stupidity of this board saying he can't coach is unacceptable.
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This is a pretty dumb set of counterfactuals. People aren't somewhat disgruntled with Dixon because of unjustified expectations. Fans recognize that the Reynold's shot was a bad break. JD has underwhelmed in the past 5 or so years, and has been unable to deliver on many things which WERE within his control such as:

1) going 1-5 against higher-seeded teams in the NCAA tournament (only W was beating 8 seed Colorado)
2) going .500 in the ACC in three years; and,
3) not recruiting any impact Gs or Cs (besides Adams) in about five years

Say whatever you want about Dixon's career stats but there's no denying that we've been badly trending in the wrong direction for the better part of half-a-decade. Paying someone as a top 15 coach and getting 5 years of top 40 results just won't cut it after a certain amount of years. Even so, Pitt wanted Dixon back for at least another year or two, but he chose to go his own way. Say what you want about Pitt's fans and their criticism, but he was very highly compensated and had a job to do; he didn't.
 
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