Zeise's latest - candidates
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This week has improved my view of Zeise. This list seems reserved and well-reasoned. I'm also disappointed there aren't any flashy names on it, but this is what I expected as things went downhill. These guys are younger than Dixon, but not by much, and their resumes pale in comparison to his multiple #1 rankings and 11 NCAA tourney berths. But I'm hopeful that there are talented guys on the list and putting them on a stable-ish team in a good conference would them blossom.
Didn't see the list but Enfield would be a decent choice. And yes if some of the names that have been floated around get the job, I'd rapidly change my view of Barnes
I have to say, when I see these "realistic" lists, I'm starting to miss Jamie.
Hard to imagine any of the guys on that list doing a better job. Although at this point, I guess just making the NCAA tournament and maybe getting a win is the Pitt threshold of the past few years, and that wouldn't be too hard to do for most of these guys, especially with better players.
For the record, I'm not as sold on Enfield as I am on Mrs. Enfield. I'd probably favor Drew over him.
Hard to imagine any of the guys on that list doing a better job. Although at this point, I guess just making the NCAA tournament and maybe getting a win is the Pitt threshold of the past few years, and that wouldn't be too hard to do for most of these guys, especially with better players.
For the record, I'm not as sold on Enfield as I am on Mrs. Enfield. I'd probably favor Drew over him.
I'm not very impressed with that list. I mean not at all. None of those names stand out.
After 5-7 people say "I'm not interested" we will be looking at Coach Knight.
After 5-7 people say "I'm not interested" we will be looking at Coach Knight.
Enfield is style... no substance... if USC didn't make the tournament this year his candidacy would be laughable
http://www.businessinsider.com/andy-enfield-gets-usc-job-raise-for-one-good-weekend-2013-4
http://www.bruinsnation.com/ucla_basketball/2015/5/6/8558601/if-you-want-to-play-slow-go-to-ucla
-Chris Beard is the best guy on that list. That would be my number 1 if those were the choices, but obviously the pool is deeper than that. 2 questions surround Beard.
1) He bounces from college to college like a Beach Ball. Have to get semi-aggressive with a buyout clause.
2) How well can he recruit. He obviously can coach. Tied in with Bob Knight.
-I would probably support this
Somehow I'm to the point of favoring Knight.
This is the part of the sentence that I most believe from Zeise's blog. I highlighted it in bold italics. The rest of his blog article is just cannon fodder for those who want to have names now. Would not surprise me at all if our new coach is not one of those Zeise named:
"The school identified and reached out to several candidates to gauge their interest, according to sources with knowledge of the search, and there are some intriguing names on the initial list, though often the candidate that emerges and gets hired is someone added later or whose name is kept out of the public until a hire is made."
"The school identified and reached out to several candidates to gauge their interest, according to sources with knowledge of the search, and there are some intriguing names on the initial list, though often the candidate that emerges and gets hired is someone added later or whose name is kept out of the public until a hire is made."
Yup the reality is that NO ONE knows who is being contacted. Its in the best interest of Pitt and the coaches not to disclose that information.
This is probably bringing people back to reality. But I doubt it.
As for the list, I'm willing to give whoever Pitt hires a chance. A lot of people wrote off Dixon as well.
As for the list, I'm willing to give whoever Pitt hires a chance. A lot of people wrote off Dixon as well.
What do you guys expect?
First off Jamie left. It is not like we fired him then had to make a plan. If you say "we didn't try hard enough to keep him"? Really? Talk about revisionist history!! Do you think Jamie merited a raise? NO! HELL NO! No Extension! And if that is why Jamie left for his "dream job", well hell's bells.
We obviously sought out Sean Miller. He said no. OK. That's it, the end of the line? What did you guys actually think a Jay Wright would come here? Even the guy at Xavier, I can say Xavier right now at least, is a better job.
Did you think who? Coach K? Who? Steve Alford? Talk about careful what you wish for? Tony Bennett? Come on. What were/are your expectations?
The fact is, we are going to have to do with a lot of schools have to do, take a coach from a step below and see if he is "the guy". Ya know, like we did almost 20 years ago with Ben Howland. What is so tragic about this? We aren't UNC where we can take a guy from Kansas to coach us. We aren't Kansas where we can take a guy from Illinois to coach us. We evidently aren't Arizona or Ohio State where we can take a guy from Xavier to coach this.
We also all knew this. Who do you guys want?
What is so bad about Andy Enfield? What is so bad about Chris Holtmann? Hell, Holtmann spent some time as an Assistant in Beaver Falls at Geneva. I don't think going to Butler for a coach is such a bad thing, do yinz? I am just not getting the impatience and depression from people, especially some of the people who wanted Jamie out. Jamie left.
Who do you guys want? What were you thinking? You guys need to grow some friggin balls and stop whining all the time. We do have one of the most pathetic fanbases, a fanbase that does nothing, doesn't pay, doesn't go, doesn't support, yet expects nothing but the best.
Bryce Drew? The guy is going to get a big time job. I would rather a Drew, a Holtmann, an Enfield, than some overpriced retread like Mark Gottfried or a Herb Sendek. In fact after the Miller debacle and Maverick Rowan, anyone who has ever even spent a day enrolled/employed by that vapid University in Raleigh I would not consider.
How about Jerod Haase? Let's see, he was an assistant at Kansas. And at UNC. Gee, I guess those aren't high enough profile assistant gigs? Haase has been successful at one of the worst athletic programs at the mid major level.
Again, I am sorry some of you are disappointed and depressed with "the list". Because once you got past the Millers, not sure who you guys were thinking that would make a splash?
First off Jamie left. It is not like we fired him then had to make a plan. If you say "we didn't try hard enough to keep him"? Really? Talk about revisionist history!! Do you think Jamie merited a raise? NO! HELL NO! No Extension! And if that is why Jamie left for his "dream job", well hell's bells.
We obviously sought out Sean Miller. He said no. OK. That's it, the end of the line? What did you guys actually think a Jay Wright would come here? Even the guy at Xavier, I can say Xavier right now at least, is a better job.
Did you think who? Coach K? Who? Steve Alford? Talk about careful what you wish for? Tony Bennett? Come on. What were/are your expectations?
The fact is, we are going to have to do with a lot of schools have to do, take a coach from a step below and see if he is "the guy". Ya know, like we did almost 20 years ago with Ben Howland. What is so tragic about this? We aren't UNC where we can take a guy from Kansas to coach us. We aren't Kansas where we can take a guy from Illinois to coach us. We evidently aren't Arizona or Ohio State where we can take a guy from Xavier to coach this.
We also all knew this. Who do you guys want?
What is so bad about Andy Enfield? What is so bad about Chris Holtmann? Hell, Holtmann spent some time as an Assistant in Beaver Falls at Geneva. I don't think going to Butler for a coach is such a bad thing, do yinz? I am just not getting the impatience and depression from people, especially some of the people who wanted Jamie out. Jamie left.
Who do you guys want? What were you thinking? You guys need to grow some friggin balls and stop whining all the time. We do have one of the most pathetic fanbases, a fanbase that does nothing, doesn't pay, doesn't go, doesn't support, yet expects nothing but the best.
Bryce Drew? The guy is going to get a big time job. I would rather a Drew, a Holtmann, an Enfield, than some overpriced retread like Mark Gottfried or a Herb Sendek. In fact after the Miller debacle and Maverick Rowan, anyone who has ever even spent a day enrolled/employed by that vapid University in Raleigh I would not consider.
How about Jerod Haase? Let's see, he was an assistant at Kansas. And at UNC. Gee, I guess those aren't high enough profile assistant gigs? Haase has been successful at one of the worst athletic programs at the mid major level.
Again, I am sorry some of you are disappointed and depressed with "the list". Because once you got past the Millers, not sure who you guys were thinking that would make a splash?
Why are people not impressed with Holtmann? He's doing a great job at Butler. I think he'd be a fine choice.
If our next coach is Holtmann, Enfield, or Drew, I'd be happy. All would be instant credibility type hires, which is what I want.
If our next coach is Holtmann, Enfield, or Drew, I'd be happy. All would be instant credibility type hires, which is what I want.
Whats unrealistic? A guy like Buzz Williams who VT got? Or a guy like Keatts? Is it unrealistic to think PItt should and can do better than Knight, Sendek, and Shmidt, just to name a few of the names that are bad hires?
That's a great point on Holtmann I did not know. Local ties. He's always near or at the top of my list.
I think if people understood the circumstances of him getting the Butler job on such short notice, having that school then in the Big East, and still winning 20+ and an NCAA game each year, it tells me the dude can coach. Can he recruit, we'll see, but he's a fine choice.
Agree. Id throw in Keatts and Wade as well. Again no one knows who is being contacted so this is all message board fodder.
Holtmann great basketball mind. Our Ad promised more. Hurley is the best receuiter. I want players not plays.
It's a two way street. Those candidates have to want to come here too.
VT hit a homerun with Williams. Guess what though? That's the exception, not the norm.
And how do you know they are bad hires?
PIN THIS POST! GREAT POST OWT..............no further discussion needed.
Where do you get that? He straight up says in the article that there are probably candidates that Pitt doesn't want the public to know.
-You need to look at Coaches in terms of how high they can elevate a program
-Coaching in D-1 for 5 years and missing on the NCAA Tournament means black eye on resume
2011–12 Valparaiso 22–12 14–4 1st NIT First Round
2012–13 Valparaiso 26–8 13–3 1st NCAA Second Round
2013–14 Valparaiso 18–16 9–7 4th CIT First Round
2014–15 Valparaiso 28–6 13–3 1st NCAA Second Round
2015–16 Valparaiso 25–5 15–2 1st NIT
-Here is Scott Drew. Record improved, but 3 tournament misses in 5 years? Pass
-Here is Chris Holtmann
2010–11 Gardner-Webb 11–21 6–12 9th
2011–12 Gardner–Webb 12–20 6–12 10th
2012–13 Gardner–Webb 21–13 11–5 2nd (South) CIT First Round
Gardner-Webb: 44–54 (.449) 23–29 (.442)
Butler Bulldogs (Big East) (2014–present)
2014–15 Butler 23–11 12–6 T–2nd NCAA Third Round (Round of 32)
2015–16 Butler 22–11 10–8 T–4th NCAA Second Round (Round of 32)
-Again, not bad, but double digit losses every single year? That spells trouble.
Because our fans suck. We can't deal with out executing teama. We need a name and a personality and the hell with getting to the elite 8 we need 5 star recruits and Dunk City.
The impatient and stupid fanbase here ain't giving Holtmann time to teach the butler way here. That is just a fact. And while it makes Barnes job much harder, it must be considered.
Exactly. They are arrow up guys, if they were stocks, they would be what people are buying. Again, not sure what the hell people were expecting, Jay Wright?
-What's more important, a coach who as a name that has average results, or a coach that is a potential up and rising star with more limited D-1 experience?
Risk / Reward. Give me the potential star. This garbage about needing a "name" is non-sense. Who the heck was Jamie Dixon before he took over the head coaching position at Pitt? That's right, an unpopular name that was absolutely blasted when he got hired by every media outlet out there. Dixon did good, just not over the top.
Thats a decent list with some really good names. I like Holtmann, the Hurleys, Enfield, Drew. I don't know much about the other guys, don't think Sendek would be a good fit at all. I don't know why people don't like Enfield, he built FGC and turned around a moribund USC program.
I really had to laugh when I saw that Seth Greenberg was interested. Maybe he'll hire Marlon Ferguson after he gives him a ride home.
WTF are our talking about...........clearly reading comprehension is not one of your stronger skill sets.
Steel - check out this "resume":
1994–95 Northern Arizona 9–17 4–10 7th
1995–96 Northern Arizona 7–19 3–11 7th
1996–97 Northern Arizona 21–7 13–1 1st NIT First Round
1997–98 Northern Arizona 21–8 12–2 1st NCAA Round of 64
1998–99 Northern Arizona 21–8 12–4 2nd
Northern Arizona: 79–59 (.572) 44–28 (.611)
None other than our own Ben Howland. If we had taken your advise on passing on him because of the overall record and tournament appearances, we wouldn't have been able to enjoy one of the better eras in Pitt basketball history. What I see - in Drew (and it's Bryce, BTW, not Scott - Scott is at Baylor) - are 5 tournament appearances in 5 years. 4 years out of 5 with 20+ wins. Not too shabby for a first time coach at a high mid-major program. With Holtmann I look past the double digit losses and reflect on two straight NCAA trips - again as basically his first stint as a HC in the highest mid-major program in Div 1.
-That was taking on risk that paid off. Three season of 8 losses or less. Took Northern Arizona to its first ever Ncaa Tournament. And 2 Conference Championships. That's respectable, as opposed to Butler who just played in the National Title game twice.
I read the other day that he expressed interest. I in turn expressed my lunch.
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