Zeise's latest - candidates

[steel_curtain]

Using the transitive property to assess future sporting outcomes regarding them beating Pitt.

Are you really hanging your hat on them winning the Sun Belt and Pitt not winning the ACC? Really.

The Sun Belt is comprised of teams similar to those our fans bitched about playing in OOC because they were so soft.

-Pitt lost 8 of its Final 12 games. Im not sure any other way to justify this point. Pitt folded down the stretch, again. If Pitt played Little Rock 10 times in a row, Yes, I would take Little Rock to win at least 6 of 10. That team was good and well coached.

 

[Piranha]

Using the transitive property to assess future sporting outcomes regarding them beating Pitt.

Are you really hanging your hat on them winning the Sun Belt and Pitt not winning the ACC? Really.

The Sun Belt is comprised of teams similar to those our fans bitched about playing in OOC because they were so soft.

Using the transitive property - LMAO. Are u for real?

 

[Chairman Moe]

Serious question why Holtman?

I look at what Holtmann did - especially after what happened the year after Brad Stevens left to become the coach of the Celtics. Brandon Miller was the interim coach and not to anyone's surprise, given the graduation of players from the FF years, the program had a losing season. Miller takes a medical leave of absence the next season, and Holtmann, who was Miller's assistant becomes the HC. Voila! Two straight years of NCAAT post-season with positive results, including a win over UNC his first year. They almost escaped the Consul Center the year they played Texas and then ND in the NCAAT. We'd have a significant hire if Chris Holtmann could be lured away from Butler.

 

[thebadby2]

It's a two way street. Those candidates have to want to come here too.

VT hit a homerun with Williams. Guess what though? That's the exception, not the norm.

And how do you know they are bad hires?

Buzz hasn't proven anything yet at VT. Way too early to evaluate him there.

Tony Bennett--now that was a home run hire by UVA out of Wazoo.

 

[revampedpanthers]

Whats unrealistic? A guy like Buzz Williams who VT got? Or a guy like Keatts? Is it unrealistic to think PItt should and can do better than Knight, Sendek, and Shmidt, just to name a few of the names that are bad hires?

Keatts probably won't get a look because of the baggage at Louisville which he was very likely a part of.

 

[revampedpanthers]

Steel - check out this "resume":

1994–95 Northern Arizona 9–17 4–10 7th
1995–96 Northern Arizona 7–19 3–11 7th
1996–97 Northern Arizona 21–7 13–1 1st NIT First Round
1997–98 Northern Arizona 21–8 12–2 1st NCAA Round of 64
1998–99 Northern Arizona 21–8 12–4 2nd
Northern Arizona: 79–59 (.572) 44–28 (.611)

None other than our own Ben Howland. If we had taken your advise on passing on him because of the overall record and tournament appearances, we wouldn't have been able to enjoy one of the better eras in Pitt basketball history. What I see - in Drew (and it's Bryce, BTW, not Scott - Scott is at Baylor) - are 5 tournament appearances in 5 years. 4 years out of 5 with 20+ wins. Not too shabby for a first time coach at a high mid-major program. With Holtmann I look past the double digit losses and reflect on two straight NCAA trips - again as basically his first stint as a HC in the highest mid-major program in Div 1.

keatts,wade,drew,holtmann and enfield are all solid candidates. Would be satisfied with any of the 3. To the poster complaining that drew only made the NCAA's 3 out of 5 years you realize thats exactly what dixon did at pitt. Valpro isn't a place that you can make the tourney just by going 500 in conference.

 

[JD1976]

What do you guys expect?

First off Jamie left. It is not like we fired him then had to make a plan. If you say "we didn't try hard enough to keep him"? Really? Talk about revisionist history!! Do you think Jamie merited a raise? NO! HELL NO! No Extension! And if that is why Jamie left for his "dream job", well hell's bells.

We obviously sought out Sean Miller. He said no. OK. That's it, the end of the line? What did you guys actually think a Jay Wright would come here? Even the guy at Xavier, I can say Xavier right now at least, is a better job.

Did you think who? Coach K? Who? Steve Alford? Talk about careful what you wish for? Tony Bennett? Come on. What were/are your expectations?

The fact is, we are going to have to do with a lot of schools have to do, take a coach from a step below and see if he is "the guy". Ya know, like we did almost 20 years ago with Ben Howland. What is so tragic about this? We aren't UNC where we can take a guy from Kansas to coach us. We aren't Kansas where we can take a guy from Illinois to coach us. We evidently aren't Arizona or Ohio State where we can take a guy from Xavier to coach this.

We also all knew this. Who do you guys want?

What is so bad about Andy Enfield? What is so bad about Chris Holtmann? Hell, Holtmann spent some time as an Assistant in Beaver Falls at Geneva. I don't think going to Butler for a coach is such a bad thing, do yinz? I am just not getting the impatience and depression from people, especially some of the people who wanted Jamie out. Jamie left.

Who do you guys want? What were you thinking? You guys need to grow some friggin balls and stop whining all the time. We do have one of the most pathetic fanbases, a fanbase that does nothing, doesn't pay, doesn't go, doesn't support, yet expects nothing but the best.

Bryce Drew? The guy is going to get a big time job. I would rather a Drew, a Holtmann, an Enfield, than some overpriced retread like Mark Gottfried or a Herb Sendek. In fact after the Miller debacle and Maverick Rowan, anyone who has ever even spent a day enrolled/employed by that vapid University in Raleigh I would not consider.

How about Jerod Haase? Let's see, he was an assistant at Kansas. And at UNC. Gee, I guess those aren't high enough profile assistant gigs? Haase has been successful at one of the worst athletic programs at the mid major level.

Again, I am sorry some of you are disappointed and depressed with "the list". Because once you got past the Millers, not sure who you guys were thinking that would make a splash?

Well said. I think it's a good list but most yinzers only think there are 12 -15 programs in the country. There are great coaches everywhere and every single one of these guys has more experience than Dixon did when he was hired.

 

[Fredact]

Actually it has been JD's regular season performance over the past few years that scars his resume as well. Back out the 11 OOC gimmes every year and it doesn't look so good.

Best record ever in the BE, and .500 in the ACC. Yeah, real scarred.

 

[Parkview57]

Serious question why Holtman?

He has been successful in rebuilding one program and competing at a high level at Butler, at least to the point that he has won as an underdog in the tourney and taken a couple higher ranked teams to the wire. Looks to be known as a solid citizen, as well as a hard worker who can coach which I place a high value on because I am sorta in the camp that coaching is as important as recruiting simply because trying to out recruit UNC and Duke isn't going to happen very often. Other than that I was just wondering what others may see as his negatives.

 

[revampedpanthers]

-Obviously we cannot predict roster turnover at this time, it is impossible. I'm assuming all guys stay until publicly stated otherwise.

-I do stand by my comments earlier. Pitt will have its best recruiting class in 25 years next year if Keatts gets hired. He's put 15 players in the NBA, 15. And he is the best recruiter of the bunch by a landslide in this moment in time with respect to these other guys.

I think keatts is his way on to becoming a star. And might have the most upside of anyone there are however two potential disasters waiting in the wings with him.
1. the whole Louisville probation thing which he likely was a part of. What happens if he is named in a further investigation as the ring leader?
2. Petrino might not coach to much longer and Keatts will likely be their first call.
I think I still take a chance and hire him. But I only hire him if he is willing to except a massive buyout and I mean massive.

 

[thebadby2]

Best record ever in the BE, and .500 in the ACC. Yeah, real scarred.

They don't hand out a lot of ribbons for going .500 in any league, Fredo. We're not talking about the good old days, pal. We're talking about the last several years. If you were happy with those, you're in a very small minority. And there was nothing going on to indicate that improvement was on the horizon. Even JD's personal fan club on the board--comprised of far more astute posters than yourself--were concerned that JD had "lost his way."

 

[Piranha]

Yes I am. I can't be held responsible for your ignorance. Look it up on the internet. Educate yourself. You need it

Is a basketball stuffed or inflated?

 

[Hurley Davidson]

Is a basketball stuffed or inflated?

A basketball has springs in it, otherwise, how would it bounce?

 

[pittguy81]

He has been successful in rebuilding one program and competing at a high level at Butler, at least to the point that he has won as an underdog in the tourney and taken a couple higher ranked teams to the wire. Looks to be known as a solid citizen, as well as a hard worker who can coach which I place a high value on because I am sorta in the camp that coaching is as important as recruiting simply because trying to out recruit UNC and Duke isn't going to happen very often. Other than that I was just wondering what others may see as his negatives.

.545 career winning percentage as a HC at 2 mid majors

 

[CMUandPitt]

Yes I am. I can't be held responsible for your ignorance. Look it up on the internet. Educate yourself. You need it

Want me to show you how CMU would beat Pitt? Ain't that hard.

Tony Wingen for coach!

 

[pittmeister]

I'm curious... When names are thrown out as possible candidates, do the naysayers do any research before they turn up their noses?????

All of these coaches have had success. In some cases very quickly:

Andy Enfield - USC
Jerod Haase - Alabama-Birmingham
Chris Beard - Arkansas-Little Rock
Bryce Drew - Valparaiso
King Rice - Monmouth
Mike Lonegran - George Washington
Danny Hurley - Rhode Island
Kevin Willard - Seton Hall
Linc Darner - Wisconsin-Green Bay
Chris Holtmann - Butler
Herb Sendek. - Oops!

All of them (except Herb) would be a solid hire. Please "google" and look up their background and coaching records before sneering.

 

[Souflives]

We don't know who said no and ultimately who said yes. Bet he turns out better than Haywood.

True.
But we do know Barnes talked splash his and national program...
So we can make some reasonable assumptions based on who we announce as our coach.
With nothing appearing to be wrapped up quickly, maybe the big talk wasn't wise?

 

[Souflives]

Buzz hasn't proven anything yet at VT. Way too early to evaluate him there.

Tony Bennett--now that was a home run hire by UVA out of Wazoo.

Winning 9, even in a diluted schedule, in this acc is impressive for vt.

 

[pittguy81]

I'm curious... When names are thrown out as possible candidates, do the naysayers do any research before they turn up their noses?????

All of these coaches have had success. In some cases very quickly:

Andy Enfield - USC
Jerod Haase - Alabama-Birmingham
Chris Beard - Arkansas-Little Rock
Bryce Drew - Valparaiso
King Rice - Monmouth
Mike Lonegran - George Washington
Danny Hurley - Rhode Island
Kevin Willard - Seton Hall
Linc Darner - Wisconsin-Green Bay
Chris Holtmann - Butler
Herb Sendek. - Oops!

All of them (except Herb) would be a solid hire. Please "google" and look up their background and coaching records before sneering.

LMAO what a tragic list that is compared to what Pitt fans essentially ran out of town on a rail.

You guys are great. Maybe we could bring Lombardi back from IUP

 

[gary2]

Winning 9, even in a diluted schedule, in this acc is impressive for vt.

Actually it was a 10-8 regular season for Vir.Tech

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

A basketball has springs in it, otherwise, how would it bounce?

Flubber.

 

[Souflives]

I'll only ask this of our new coach...
Please pressure on defense to create turnovers.
I was bummed the sfa guy went to okie state.. That was fun to watch.

 

[Fredact]

They don't hand out a lot of ribbons for going .500 in any league, Fredo. We're not talking about the good old days, pal. We're talking about the last several years. If you were happy with those, you're in a very small minority. And there was nothing going on to indicate that improvement was on the horizon. Even JD's personal fan club on the board--comprised of far more astute posters than yourself--were concerned that JD had "lost his way."

If you knew anything about basketball, you'd know that .500 in the ACC puts you in the top 15% of all schools. Pitt's institutional ranking is far below that. If you don't get that Dixon had Pitt performing high above it's institutional ranking you are delusional. And by the way, I am NOT in the minority. Other than a few noisy message board posters, there is almost NO ONE that wanted Dixon gone.

 

[pittguy81]

Is a basketball stuffed or inflated?

A basketball is inflated. Your cement head is stuffed.

Look up transitive property so you know what I was talking about. If ignorance is bliss, you are among the happiest people on earth

 

[PantherO]

LMAO what a tragic list that is compared to what Pitt fans essentially ran out of town on a rail.

You guys are great. Maybe we could bring Lombardi back from IUP

You do realize that there are people on that list who have better NCAA Tournament Records than Dixon did the last few years. Or at least equal the amount of wins. Mostly from beating higher seeds. All from lower conferences, which means they beat some big boys.

There are 5 names on there that are clear upgrades. There are only 2 names on there that I would be disappointed with. Maybe you should research some of them first before spewing your garbage.

 

[pittguy81]

You do realize that there are people on that list who have better NCAA Tournament Records than Dixon did the last few years. Or at least equal the amount of wins. Mostly from beating higher seeds. All from lower conferences, which means they beat some big boys.

There are 5 names on there that are clear upgrades. There are only 2 names on there that I would be disappointed with. Maybe you should research some of them first before spewing your garbage.

Your OPINION is duly noted. My opinion is different than yours. Maybe you should grow up a bit and learn to accept thoughts and opinions different than yours.

 

[PantherO]

Your OPINION is duly noted. My opinion is different than yours. Maybe you should grow up a bit and learn to accept thoughts and opinions different than yours.

You know how to make an opinion. But you don't know how to base an opinion on facts. And that is really the most important part of an opinion.

 

[pittguy81]

You know how to make an opinion. But you don't know how to base an opinion on facts. And that is really the most important part of an opinion.

Your arrogance is astounding. Your opinion is only your opinion, nothing more...as is mine. I'll analyze information as I see fit and you do the same. Never forget that your opinion is not fact only YOUR opinion

 

[Piranha]

A basketball is inflated. Your cement head is stuffed.

Look up transitive property so you know what I was talking about. If ignorance is bliss, you are among the happiest people on earth

Phil and his 100 aliases produce more quality posts to this board than you.

 

[pittguy81]

Phil and his 100 aliases produce more quality posts to this board than you.

Yawn.

 

[levance2]

Buzz hasn't proven anything yet at VT. Way too early to evaluate him there.

Are you kidding me? VT was 2-16 in 2014 and 2-16 in Buzz's first season (last place). In year 2 they are 10-8, beat FSU in DC, and then won a game in the NIT, their first postseason appearance since 2011. That's a ton of progress in one season.

It is SO much easier to make that kind of turnaround in the ASun or MAAC than it is in the ACC. You get one decent player in those conferences and you can win half a dozen more games.

 

[PantherO]

Your arrogance is astounding. Your opinion is only your opinion, nothing more...as is mine. I'll analyze information as I see fit and you do the same. Never forget that your opinion is not fact only YOUR opinion

Lighten up. You obviously missed my reference.

 

[pittguy81]

Lighten up. You obviously missed my reference.

LMAO. I did indeed. Nice Seinfeld rework. My apologies