Pierre, good find. This is enough to make me wretch. Screw Nutting....WVU supporting bum! Disgusting. He should be embarrassed to even license WVU to use the Pirates' log on WVU paraphernalia. The gall of this guy.
OT.....Pirates and Nutting
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The Pirates are a privately held company. They have no obligation to disclose their financial statements. Fine. But then don't come out and call yourself a "caretaker" for the "city's" team, like Nutting did. It's his profit machine (he turned down a casino license to keep it FFS!). It's insulting as a fan when the organization's message is essentially shut up and trust us.
On that note, all the Nutting defenders talk about vague financial constraints and some mythical salary budget. Have ANY of you seen the numbers? No. Then you're just speculating like everyone else.
I'll give Nutting the benefit of the doubt when the Pirates win something. ANYTHING. Until then, either disclose your financials or stop preaching about your alleged financial constraints.
On that note, all the Nutting defenders talk about vague financial constraints and some mythical salary budget. Have ANY of you seen the numbers? No. Then you're just speculating like everyone else.
I'll give Nutting the benefit of the doubt when the Pirates win something. ANYTHING. Until then, either disclose your financials or stop preaching about your alleged financial constraints.
I never said bad contracts are no big deal, I said it's stupid to label every big money contract or multi year free agent signing as a bad contract, as you have done numerous times.
People presume that teams give out these huge contracts with the expectation that the player will retain that value for the life of the contract; hence, the contract is bad. However, teams pay the contract because that's what they need to pay to get the player they want. THAT'S market value.
The Nutting Pirates have the media sycophants and lemming fans so bamboozled, they have no concept of what constitutes a "fair" player contract or the cost of doing business from a salary perspective.
The Nutting Pirates have the media sycophants and lemming fans so bamboozled, they have no concept of what constitutes a "fair" player contract or the cost of doing business from a salary perspective.
Also, often the player outperforms the contract a great deal in the early part of the deal. The performance may level off or drop towards the end but they get value for the contract.
Take the Teixeira deal for instance, he was very very good from 2009 thru 2012, helped them win a World Series and make the playoffs every year, then he got hurt in 2013 and missed most of the season. He returned and was a little sluggish in 2014 before having a great 2015. He's not great in the final year of his deal, but he more than earned that contract he signed before 2009.
Great point and that is that extracting fair value for the free agent doesn't mean the free agent will have had to perform equally well for the entire term of his contract.
That always gives the Nutting lemmings an out. They can say and be correct , glad we didn't sign so and so, the contract was too much for too many years. Or a combo of that statement. What they won't ever say, is the one year or two of the five year deal, where he led the league and or helped win a playoff series. Every deal in baseball is never a good one, so they have their built in excuse for ever and it's all bullshiiiiit
Posey, Belt, Crawford, Panik, Bumgardner all in their prime, they have another 3-4 years of championship level play ahead of them.
They're not going to fall off because Angel Pagan is not around, they just replace him for the $11.5 he's making.
LOL Joe Panik and Brandon Belt doesn't win you an argument buddy........Buster Posey is a great player but a soon to be 30 year old catcher with a ton of mileage on those knees.....other than that great post
Well Brandon Belt is a top 5 1B in all of baseball, and Joe Panik has a career wRC+ of 119 and is one of top two or three defensive 2B in baseball.
Those two in your core with Posey, Crawford, and Bumgardner keep you in the championship hunt for the next 3-4 years. Of course you have to surround them with competent players, which the Giants never fail to do.
Those two in your core with Posey, Crawford, and Bumgardner keep you in the championship hunt for the next 3-4 years. Of course you have to surround them with competent players, which the Giants never fail to do.
Posey ( 29 Years Old, 6 Years 129 Million Remaining)
Panik (25 Years Old, Cheap Young Player)
Belt 1B (28 Years Old, 5 Years 73 Million)
Crawford SS (29 Years Old, 6 Years 75 Million)
Bumgardner SP ( 26 Years Old, 3 Years Remaining 36 Million)
Pence OF ( 33 Years Old, 2 Years Remaining 37 Million)
Cain SP (31 Years Old, 3 Yrs Remaining 61 Million)
Cueto SP (30 Years Old, 6 Years 160 Million)
Duffy 3B (25 Years Old, Cheap Young player)
Samarjia SP (31 Years Old, 5 Years 90 Million)
This is the current most important players among the giants organization. Joe Panik is going to be a great young player for the Giants for years. To go with that they have the second best LH pitcher in the game in Bumgardner on the cheap for the next three years. Brandon Belt is an interesting playe rwhen it comes time for Posey to move from behind the plate. You could pissible see a Neil Walker type trade to fill a whole in their pitching staff which is what they need in the upcoming years.
MVK I don't agree with you on a lot of things when it comes to how the Pirates run their organization but I will say that the giants have about a solid 2 or 3 if lucky years left in their run if they can keep Bumgardner healthy. I do not like the signing of Samarjia long term nor do I think Cueto will be worth his money, but to each their own I guess.
In the next few years though it will get ugly and they will turn into what the Yankees look like right now.
I would panic if they stopped grilling kielbasa....I draw the line right there
Sorry to bring this thread back to the top, but I am hearing that the buccos have finally figured out that they need better starting pitching to compete with the other wild card teams. Unfortunately, for the Bucs, for any decent starter out there, the asking price happens to include Josh Bell or Austin Meadows. If they give up even one of these two, during a year where they messed up with the pitching staff, just to add a guy this late who may or may not help, well, I guess it would be time to give up on Natsack et al. Here is to hoping they forgo this season and begin to concentrate on next year.
Yes, Tampa Bay is asking for Austin Meadows AND Tyler Glasnow for 28 yr old Chris Archer who is currently 5-14 with an ERA of 4.42. He is a below .500 pitcher for his career (37-46).
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2016/07/rosenthals-latest-archer-pirates-royals-nats-yanks-reds.html
But Del would make that trade! Glasnow is a bum!
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This one year I don't think the Pirates should do much of anything at the trade deadline because the Pirates are going nowhere. They're done. The pitching staff is a complete mess and there's virtually no chance of rectifying the mess the GM made of the pitching staff going into the season. Add to that they have problems in their everyday lineup which are significant enough that even with improved pitching, I doubt they play much better than .500 BB.
Why doesn't the small market effect the Steelers or Penguins ability to compete? I've heard this excuse going on two decades but I can never get an intelligent answer as to why it doesn't effect these teams.
For the steelers, they are in a small market but they are not small market due to their popularity.
For the penguins, there's a salary cap. Do you not remember how the penguins operated before a salary cap and how it caused them to go bankrupt? Also, the penguins tv deal is much better in the landscape compared to other nhl teams than the pirates vs other mlb teams. The penguins are in the top 10 of best TV deals annually for nhl. The pirates are close to the bottom 5 of mlb....
I'm sure you can see the differences.
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