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Cannot understate the importance of these next 3 games

Pitt is going to start significantly ahead of those teams which is good for us. I don’t see a way the league gets less than 4. I still think 5 is probably the number somehow. Even with bid stealers and a historically bad ACC they got 5 last year.

Clemson had better win their next 2 games against USF and Penn St. They already dropped one to Boise.

Don’t sleep on Stanford as well. Quietly 6-0. Their OOC is terrible but they may come into the game with us with like 1 loss.

USF stinks but PSU is somehow decent it looks like.

If I had to bet money right now, I say 5 ACC teams which puts Pitt in but there's not a lot of margin for error. Last year, the league really only got 4 + NC St auto. NC St wasnt getting in and had they lost to UNC, Pitt wasnt getting that lost spot. So it was really 3 "byes," 1 First Four, and a miracle NC St run. That's historically bad.

Pitt needs to win 2 of these next 3 and we can put an end to all this because they pretty much lock up a bid then. If they go 1-2, we sweat all season and do a lot of Mountain West and Big East watching.

I have 30 for the Power 3. 21 for the 1 bid leagues. And 17 for the ACC, Big East, A10, American, Missouri Valley, WCC, Mountain West.

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There is a solution. It's the same solution that has been staring them in the face for a couple of decades now. A solution that the NCAA screams and runs from any time anyone mentions it.
What? I don't think letting the schools revenue share with the players is a good idea. Maybe it's just me, but it will drive me away from college sports, or college football at least. We have a pro football team in Pittsburgh, and personally I don't need a second one to follow. Pitt basketball, on the other hand, might work because it has a niche in this town.
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do you need real data on that because clearly opinion and anything else I might believe is meaningless

so rather than thinking back and making the case completely for me the play at the end of the year and the beatdown of UVA at UVA when they got a bid are part of the case the committee apparently didn't value

that and a 14 loss Mich St team that didn't win their conference or tournament iirc


Michigan State ended up 24th in the NET rankings. We ended up 40th. There was no chance, none what so ever, that we were getting in ahead of them.

And they are a perfect example of what I am talking about. They played a lot of games where a win would really help them but a loss wouldn't hurt them at all. That's why they could lose three more times than us and yet still be in a much better position than we were.

Ive seen some horrible

Is your scheme really a competitive advantage if it only works when you have more talent? Wouldn't the whole idea of it being a competitive advantage mean that it would, in fact, overcome at least somewhat of a talent deficiency?

I don’t think it needs more talent.

It just can’t overcome how poor the talent has been of late.
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What does that have to do with overachieving though - my OP?

Why do you think that it is? It's always been that way at PITT for the most part. High profile offensive players in HS typically carry a bigger price tag whether that was b4 or after NIL. They're known commodities. Successful defensive guys are often really good athletes who aren't developed and often play a different position in HS. It's easier to "develop" defensive talent as a whole. It's pretty hard to "develop" a QB whether he's played it his whole life and it's damn near impossible to have him come from another position.

This is just naïve statement that was taken out of context. How much do you think Saban spent developing offensive game plans and scheme on a day to day basis? He let his OC's coach.

I spent a week at Michigan when Harbaugh had Don Brown as a DC. Outside of the stretch period, I never saw Harbaugh doing anything with the defense, he was with the offense all the time.

Spurrier and Leach were notorious for not even knowing the names of the defensive players.

If you ever go to a clinic and listen to the HC speak about scheme, I've never heard one talk about the side of the ball they didn't coach prior to being a HC. I've never heard Urban, Leach, Kiffin, Riley, etc speak about defense in those settings.

Duzz has more then his share of warts, but this isn't one of them.

You talked about the talent we have as if Narduzzi had no role in assembling it. He's not playing some hand he was dealt and had no say in.

You're also just making things up about the offense/defense thing. It's always been that way? Larry Fitzgerald, Tyler Boyd, James Conner, Jeff Otah, Jonathan Baldwin, Shady McCoy, Kenny Pickett, Jordan Addison, Dion Lewis, etc.... not to mention the 4/5-star guys who didn't quite pan out to that ranking: Picciotti, Shell, D. Johnson, Dickerson, multiple QBs, etc. Let's not act like it's impossible to acquire offensive talent.
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Well what specifically is not being applied fairly?

And I don't mean that we didn't make the tournament last year. I think most of us think that we should have. But of course most of us are just a little bit biased. I mean how, for instance, did they judge us differently than they did a Big 12 team or an SEC team? What criteria did they use for us that they did not use for them, or vise-versa?
do you need real data on that because clearly opinion and anything else I might believe is meaningless

so rather than thinking back and making the case completely for me the play at the end of the year and the beatdown of UVA at UVA when they got a bid are part of the case the committee apparently didn't value

that and a 14 loss Mich St team that didn't win their conference or tournament iirc

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NIL is a disaster for college sports in my opinion. There is no solution. It's pro sports without a salary cap. The biggest football programs had inherent advantages pre NIL, and it is only worse now with NIL.

While MLB doesn't have a salary cap, at least in MLB, there is a draft that helps the bad teams, which allowed the Buccos to get a player like Skenes for a few years until they lose control of him and he can sign elsewhere. In college football, the rich get (and have always gotten) the best recruits. So it's actually worse than MLB.
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So, your arguing over a team that finishes 20-25 and team that finishes 30-40 and think that is a big deal? Trust me - it's not.

Sub 40 isn't 30-40. We're 43 now and probably not adding. So if you're saying there is no difference between finishing 25 and 48, we disagree. I'm aware that outliers exist, but it's a game of averages in the long run.

Ive seen some horrible

I think his defensive scheme is a competitive advantage. It just can’t overcome talent deficiencies.


Is your scheme really a competitive advantage if it only works when you have more talent? Wouldn't the whole idea of it being a competitive advantage mean that it would, in fact, overcome at least somewhat of a talent deficiency?

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This whole support the program schtick is bullshit. I am a diehard fan but refuse to reach into my pocket and pull out my familys dime so these kids can afford an escalade while in college. Doesnt make me less of a fan . Its the dumbest conceived notion. Look at the nfl when do the rooneys come out and ask fans to contribute so they can sign someone????? This whole model is done nowhere in sports.
It needs to be the schools that pay OR REAL NIL DEALS, where a kid is paid for a commercial or an endorsement deal. Not this bullshit
The big problem I truly believe many of these schools, including one that resides 2 hours to the northeast of us, truly think they are a football program now, with classroom tuition and enrollment as a revenue stream and method to build a fanbase. The entire SEC is like this. Most of the poverty Big 12 is like this. The Big 10 has certainly moving to this.

Cannot understate the importance of these next 3 games

I always view Pitt WISC as the downfall of Pitt basketball. An awful offensive tourney performance and then Dixon leaving/forced out. 0-19 ACC. It’s been a long 7 years. Greg Elliott quipped the team two years ago put Pitt back on the map. I think it’s more accurate to say that team raised Pitt basketball from the dead. A win today will put them back on the map for national relevance.

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Being a college coach is more akin to being a CEO, though. You're a big part of the equation when it comes to the talent you have to work with. You're the GM and the coach.
What does that have to do with overachieving though - my OP?
I understand that NIL plays a role. I also understand that we typically find ways to scrap together defensive talent yet we don't do the same on offense.
Why do you think that it is? It's always been that way at PITT for the most part. High profile offensive players in HS typically carry a bigger price tag whether that was b4 or after NIL. They're known commodities. Successful defensive guys are often really good athletes who aren't developed and often play a different position in HS. It's easier to "develop" defensive talent as a whole. It's pretty hard to "develop" a QB whether he's played it his whole life and it's damn near impossible to have him come from another position.
Perhaps a coach who doesn't admit to devoting 85% of his time (or whatever the number he gave was) to one side of the ball would be best.
This is just naïve statement that was taken out of context. How much do you think Saban spent developing offensive game plans and scheme on a day to day basis? He let his OC's coach.

I spent a week at Michigan when Harbaugh had Don Brown as a DC. Outside of the stretch period, I never saw Harbaugh doing anything with the defense, he was with the offense all the time.

Spurrier and Leach were notorious for not even knowing the names of the defensive players.

If you ever go to a clinic and listen to the HC speak about scheme, I've never heard one talk about the side of the ball they didn't coach prior to being a HC. I've never heard Urban, Leach, Kiffin, Riley, etc speak about defense in those settings.

Duzz has more then his share of warts, but this isn't one of them.
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