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The Narduzzi Contract

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TheWerewolfFromTwilight said:
Lol, where to even begin with this.

1. Stability - this is an adjective people use when there really isn't anything all that appealing to say about a coach. It's like a realtor saying a house has potential. Everybody knows what you're saying. Who cares about stability? I want results. Narduzzi was 8-4 and 8-4 in history first two seasons here. In his most two recent he'll be 3-9 and 7-5. Tell me more about this "stability." If anything it's time to experience the recruiting bump that comes with bringing in a new coach.

2. What a sanctimonious take to act like we couldn't do any better with anyone else. Like, that's borderline insane. You'd have told me Syracuse couldn't do any better than Dino Babers if you were a fan of them. Nope, after Dino averaging 5 wins for 8 years, they're going to win 8 or 9 this season. You'd have told me Kansas couldn't make a bowl again before Leipold got there. You'd have told me there's no way 1-11 Colorado could go 8-3 in year two of a new coach's tenure. Do you want 1,000 more examples? Ever hear of a school called Indiana?

Guess what we're also proving? Stability doesn't mean a damn thing. Ask Wake Forest how they're enjoying years 10 and 11 of Dave Clawson.

To say that people don't understand that Narduzzi is the best we can do... get out of here with that defeatist nonsense.
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Clawson has been .500 at a school that's historically .421. He has a better career winning percentage than the previous *12* coaches going back to 1937-1950. They were the only non Clemson division winner over an eight year period.

Coaches should be judged vs their budget/attendance/NIL funds and not thin air. Wake is much harder to win at than most ACC schools. If I were an athletic director at UNC, I'd be more eager for a change than at Wake.

Pitt and Narduzzi? Somewhere in the middle. Hes overperformed compared to our post 1982 average and won more ACC games than he should considering our finances but he's also slumping badly now.
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Pitt Women beat RMU

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Chescat1 said:
Those teams will focus on her and
wear her down.
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Robert Morris sent a double and even a triple team at her almost every time she got the ball in the post yesterday. Those players just weren't really good enough to do much about it. That is not going to be the case against a lot of the teams we play in conference (or the teams we will play this week). What I kept hoping to see, and didn't see once, was when they sent those guards to double down on her, kick the ball right out to the guard that the doubler left for a wide open three.

Not that we shoot threes all that well, but you've got to do it to try to stop them from doubling or tripling.
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Ive seen some horrible

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PittPanther44 said:
I DO get that a head coach in college sports is responsible for the roster too. So it’s a perfectly legit conversation to want more from PN at this point. 7-4 coming off of 3-9 would be acceptable if we felt momentum was building. But we are right back where we started now.

That said - blaming game day coaching is lazy, and people do it because it’s the easiest way to envision your team being good again.

But the talent level after the injuries is not good. Louisville played SMU,Miami, and ND to one score games. They were better than a their record
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A HC is somewhat responsible for the talent on the roster.

NIL & pay for play is a new era. The HC is responsible for maximizing talent within their program's budget. Miami, FSU, Clemson, SMU, Louisville, and maybe UNC are probably on a different plane the the rest of the league.

When it comes to all P4 schools, I think Pitt is clearly somewhere in the bottom half of the food chain.
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This game a fluke

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HailToPitt1985 said:
Is this age of free agency and NIL, watch how many Pitt players on this team jump after this year. I suspect it will be more than a handful. And many will be in key skill positions. Not that we have many.
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Pitt has done pretty well in this area, even after last year's awful season. This team is completely devoid of skill position players with the smallest guy on the team putting the entire offense on his back for much of the season.
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One of the main (and most overlooked) reasons for the losing streak

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TheWerewolfFromTwilight said:
Ah, right; I was mixing two thoughts. But do you think, in this day and age, they would let a kid play the week after getting a concussion and then let him play again after sustaining two in three games and only missing one week? I honestly don't think he was concussed against Syracuse.
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He also wasn’t good in the Cal game or Syracuse game before he got injured.

People blamed the Syracuse performance on the defensive TDs icing him and preventing him from getting into a rhythm.
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Really Bad Start for the ACC

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Tvax1 said:
not sure that "rule" applies to all teams from all conferences equally, thinking maybe MWC and Boise last year but there could be others I don't recall
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Of course it doesn't apply to all teams from all conferences equally. Because all teams and all conferences aren't equal. If you play in the Big 12 you are going to be able to lose a few more games than if you play in the ACC, because the Big 12 is obviously better, both on the whole and at the top. So you end up with more games where a win is a good mark on your resume but a loss doesn't hurt you.

Or in other words, more games like playing Wisconsin at a neutral site or Ohio State or Mississippi State on the road.
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How bad is Wisconsin?

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TD_6082 said:
Over the rest of the AAC? Absolutely.
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Yeah but he brought that talent in. It’s not like the place just recruits itself.

But his recruiting at the end got lazy even by AAC standards.

But having to part ways with Longo already is a huge red flag. Anytime UNC would lose a QB or key pieces on offense and people were expecting a setback, my response was always: I’ll believe Longo has a bad offense when Longo actually has a bad offense.

Dude was elite everywhere he had been. Then the bottom falls out Wisky? That sounds more like a HC issue.
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One of the main (and most overlooked) reasons for the losing streak

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Our opponents have injuries too but definitely having a hurt LT and starting QB is really bad luck and we'd have at least one more win otherwise I'd think. UVA is haunting.

If people want to criticize Narduzzi for not recruiting depth on the offensive line to deal with that, that's entirely fair. Especially if they donate to the program considering our weak NIL position.
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A coach that gets it

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I pay for season tickets so I am paying for the product on the field. NIL isn't suppose to be about pay-for-play and it shouldn't be in the fans/boosters hands. These conferences have multi-million dollar contracts that could be used to pay the players. If I was a billionaire with nothing to worry about, maybe I'd care to pay college football players on a full ride money to try to win for my favorite team.
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Ive seen some horrible

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Slick Manager of Champs said:
actually that brings to mind the Syracuse fiasco last year. A coach on his way to being fired and no QB rolled to a win.

There really is enough evidence to make a coaching change. But in this new era, even the football crazy schools aren't jettisoning their coaches (Brian Kelly, Napier, Venables are probably all coming back).

Narduzzi is starting to remind me of Wannstedt. Give him the talent, and he won't screw it up. But unless he has more talent at each of the 22 positions, there is not much chance of winning. I always thought that was Narduzzi's strongpoint...."coaching them up". Now not so much.
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Since you mentioned Billy Napier, some friends and I were at the Ole Miss/Florida game yesterday. We all are Pitt fans for 40 or so years. Being at a place like that you come to the realization that Pitt will never be truly relevant again…..for various reasons.
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No one should be surprised

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jivecat said:
Can you all stop complaining?

We knew this schedule was front loaded with bad teams and we were not going to be strong this year.
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Eh, expectations change with results. Past Pitt teams would've started the year 4-3, this team was 7-0. It wasn't unreasonable with the schedule they had left to finish 9-3. Instead they had a bad home loss to Virginia and were completely outclassed by SMU and Louisville. Didn't look like they even belonged on the same field as those teams.
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