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I agree wholeheartedly. Sports are a nice diversion and good entertainment for those who like sports.

Yes sports are indeed great and fun to watch, not going to minimize that. But if the choice was great sports and mediocre academics or great academics and mediocre sports, I'd choose the latter every day.

No reason we can't have both though.
 
Where is CRAZYPACO. He scolded me for arguing that PITT is a public institution and not private.
 
Where is CRAZYPACO. He scolded me for arguing that PITT is a public institution and not private.

If you read the explanations in the prior posts, you would already know why it is listed as public by most third party publications even though the university is privately governed, owned, controlled, and operated. The accurate term is "state-related."
 
While I'm here:

Pitt has set up three funds to help financially support its leading edge efforts against COVID-19 (and Pitt really is engaged in more COVID clinical and research projects than most universities, certainly more than anyone else in the ACC):

For more info, see: https://engage.pitt.edu/project/20425

Donor wall: https://engage.pitt.edu/project/20425/wall


And here is a collection of articles on some of Pitt's efforts:

*Vaccine (protein-micro-needle) press conference (this made multiple national publications).
*Vaccine (measles vector)
*Novel adaptive, multi-drug clinical trial designs aided by machine learning
*Leading consortium on neurological effects
*Participation in the American Lung Association’s Covid-19 Action Initiative
*Immunity Test development
*Disease modeling
*Data sharing
*ComSci Social Distancing tracking
*Engineering labs producing hand sanitizer and donating supplies
*Re-purposing facilities for healthcare


*Jonas Salk's son on Pitt's vaccine efforts
https://www.post-gazette.com/local/...ng-for-polio-eradication/stories/202004110041
*Pitt's COVID measles vaccine partners
https://www.post-gazette.com/local/...ance-Austria-seeks-a-win/stories/202004120091
*Dr. Louis Falo of Pitt's microneedle vaccine project:
https://triblive.com/local/westmore...itt-coronavirus-vaccine-and-dr-anthony-fauci/
*UPMC doctors helping out in New York City
https://www.wpxi.com/news/top-stori...t-hit-by-covid-19/MTTYLZQB2ZFFPHGQS5CQGRDRKI/
 
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Pitt's lucky that Wvu is in the Middle Atlantic Region and not the Northeast.

A new interdisciplinary minor in Appalachian Studies will be available for all undergraduate students on the Morgantown WVU campus as they strive for the # 1 position in this field of study.

Not bad who cares about the Northeast.
 
A new interdisciplinary minor in Appalachian Studies will be available for all undergraduate students on the Morgantown WVU campus as they strive for the # 1 position in this field of study.

Not bad who cares about the Northeast.

We have to be #1 in something!
 
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News flash from the all knowing of anything related to Pitt, "the accurate term is state related."
Anyone who has ever looked at an enacted Pa. state budget for 40+ years is familiar with the term "state related" universities.
 
Since 2015 Pitt's football recruiting classes has been ranked average of 43.5! And from 2015-19 a 5 year record of 36-29 (7.2-5.8 per yr)! I'd take a Public University in the Northeast ranking of No. 10 and Football increase up to Top 30-35 and season record average of 8.2-4.8!
 
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While I'm here:

Pitt has set up three funds to help financially support its leading edge efforts against COVID-19...../

Is Pitt developing two competing vaccines? Is it two separate teams with different funding and access to resources - it’s just a curiosity why there are two separate tracks?

How is Pitt’s relationship with FDA for starting the P1 trials?

Thanks.
 
Is Pitt developing two competing vaccines? Is it two separate teams with different funding and access to resources - it’s just a curiosity why there are two separate tracks?

How is Pitt’s relationship with FDA for starting the P1 trials?

Thanks.

Yes, it is two separate, different teams developing two different types of vaccines with different and independent funding sources.

One group is in the Pitt Center for Vaccine Research and they are collaborating with the Pasteur Institute in France and Themis Bio from Vienna to develop a replicating measles vector vaccine (meaning an attenuated measles virus is hijacked to present SARS-CoV-2 proteins to the immune system). Work has previously been done with this type of vaccine for west nile, ebola, zika, etc. They are being funded in part by an international organization (CEPI), as well as other funding agencies probably including NIH.

The other group in the med school is working on a vaccine against a recombinant virus spike protein subunit and it is being developed to be delivered with a novel micro-needle delivery platform in collaboration with researchers in the Swanson School of Engineering. This would be more like an old scratch the skin type of delivery where the antigen (the artificially grown piece of the virus spike subunit) is presented to the immune system via the skin (as opposed to a injection with a syringe). Previously they had been working on a MERS vaccine but as MERS stopped being a significant threat, funding to pursue the research dissipated. Their initial work was all funded by NIH.

In the press releases of April 2nd pertain to the second group, it was stated that they were "in the process of applying for an investigational new drug (IND) approval" from the FDA. That process involves a 30 day FDA review to ensure that a novel drug or biologic is safe to initiate trials for the first time in humans. It can take longer than 30 days depending on whether the proposed product gets put on clinical hold due to incomplete information or safety concerns that the researchers need to address. So, if the research group did submit their IND to the FDA on or about April 2nd, they should be announcing initiation of Phase 1 clinical trials soon after May 2 if (a potentially big if) everything went smoothly. Academic researchers, however, often don't have much experience with FDA applications because they are quite different from application for research grants. Of course, this particular product could also be complicated by the novel microneedle delivery system as well.

Pitt is the only university outside of China and Japan to have two ongoing separate SARS-CoV-2 vaccine development projects: Pitt COVID-19 Vaccine Research Fund.
 
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Let’s all root for the incredible Medical Researchers at Pitt to quickly nail COVID 19, Pitt may well be the number one medical research university in the world. HTP.
 
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Yes, it is two separate, different teams developing two different types of vaccines with different and independent funding sources.

One group is in the Pitt Center for Vaccine Research and they are collaborating with the Pasteur Institute in France and Themis Bio from Vienna to develop a replicating measles vector vaccine (meaningIn

Thanks for the detailed explanation. Pitt developing two vaccines in parallel and in competition is an interesting story that’s not covered in the press - I wondered about what seemed like two separate stories that didn’t appear to jive.

I doubt either of the Pitt vaccines will be the first since those are already behind on starting trials, but one or the other may eventually become the standard of care later on.
 
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Thanks for the detailed explanation. Pitt developing two vaccines in parallel and in competition is an interesting story that’s not covered in the press - I wondered about what seemed like two separate stories that didn’t appear to jive.

I doubt either of the Pitt vaccines will be the first since those are already behind on starting trials, but one or the other may eventually become the standard of care later on.

I wouldn't really term it as "in competition".

It's impossible to say which vaccine will be first or the standard because a the vaccine candidates are using a bunch of different vaccine types and platforms, some of which have no precedent and have never been approved for anything else previously. Regardless, all of this R&D is usefully to learn from and improve vaccine production development processes moving into the future. You want as many different irons in the fire as possible.

One of the Chinese vaccines may be first because they had a head start and I also don't know how their quality, safety and regulatory processes are set up but I wouldn't guess they are up to the world's gold standards (FDA, EMA, and PMDA) for the obvious reasons of a healthy skepticism of anything that is ultimately under the control of the Chinese Communist Party. Knowing the concerns they have historically shown for their own people, I'm sure there are those in the CCP that view the propaganda win of getting a vaccine first as more important than testing it as safely as possible or even getting it right.
 
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Since 2015 Pitt's football recruiting classes has been ranked average of 43.5! And from 2015-19 a 5 year record of 36-29 (7.2-5.8 per yr)! I'd take a Public University in the Northeast ranking of No. 10 and Football increase up to Top 30-35 and season record average of 8.2-4.8!

I dont think anyone would make that switch.

An extra win or 2 year in exchange for a worse academic university and a child rape scandal?
 
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Two recent articles on other ways Pitt is contributing to COVID issues.

These highlight Pitt's increased emphasis the last several years on technology transfer as both are being developed with and commercialized in partnership with companies.


Support Pitt's efforts through the following funds:
For more info, see: https://engage.pitt.edu/project/20425
Donor wall: https://engage.pitt.edu/project/20425/wall
 
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I dont think anyone would make that switch.

An extra win or 2 year in exchange for a worse academic university and a child rape scandal?

Exactly. An extra win or 2 in football doesn't matter at all. I'll take a world class university with a high academic ranking and the medical research capabilities we have to a state university with a top 10 football program and child rape scandals and lower academic rankings to Pitt any day of the week. Let them wallow in their academic mediocrity and lack of morals.
 
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Sports are great but these kind of rankings are the ones that really matter.
This is true but it would have been nice not tohave "booted " basketball like we did and maintained more stability in football.

Great academic schools like PITT with really good sports stand out.

Plus it gives the students who like sports something else to do and be proud of.
Being part of The Zoo and Panther PITT when your teams are winning is fun.
 
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Exactly. An extra win or 2 in football doesn't matter at all. I'll take a world class university with a high academic ranking and the medical research capabilities we have to a state university with a top 10 football program and child rape scandals and lower academic rankings to Pitt any day of the week. Let them wallow in their academic mediocrity and lack of morals.
Which is why Pitt is where it's at now or since J. Dennis O'Conner, who believed Pitt could to be more like Ivy League schools, academics first! Not excellence from all departments,where Pitt is trying to get now!
 
Which is why Pitt is where it's at now or since J. Dennis O'Conner, who believed Pitt could to be more like Ivy League schools, academics first! Not excellence from all departments,where Pitt is trying to get now!

Academics always comes first. That's why these kids are in college....to get an education.
 
Why can’t you be good academically and athletically? There are numerous schools that are successful in both.

Well, most of the universities with larger enrollments (therefore students more on the fringe, or undecided), have more fans, more grads, more money being given to athletics, larger attendance, thus larger tv contracts... etc. In this one area academics and sports work counter to each other. Obviously, many other things are involved, but you cant overlook this.
 
Why can’t you be good academically and athletically? There are numerous schools that are successful in both.

An institution can have both. Being good at both is always the goal and they two aren't necessarily antithetical, it is just hard to do given limited resources. "Good" is also not really defined. Let's say good at undergrad education could mean schools in US New's top 100, while good at research might mean being among the top 100 recipients of federal R&D funding, which is the most prestigious and competitive research funding. Of those, how many would you say are "good" at football? Those in the top 25 of AP poll appearances in the last 10 seasons? The ones that are good at everything generally have athletic programs that are more likely to have relatively self-sustaining revenues or have large athletic endowments. There are only 9 power five schools that place among the top half of power 5 institutions in all three measures: US News undergrad ranking, federal research, and top 25 AP football poll appearances.


US News' 25 top ranked undergraduate schools in Power 5 conferences:

Rank among P5. School (US News National Rank)
1. Stanford (6)
2. Northwestern (9)
3. Duke (10)
4T. Notre Dame (15)
4T. Vanderbilt (15)
6. UCLA (20)
7T. Cal (22)
7T. USC (22)
9. Michigan (25)
10. Wake Forest (27)
11. Virginia (28)
12T. Georgia Tech (29)
12T. North Carolina (29)
14. Florida (34)
15. Boston College (37)
16. Wisconsin (46)
17T. Illinois (48)
17T. Texas (48)
19. Georgia (50)
20T. Ohio State (54)
20T. Syracuse (54)
22T. Pitt (57)
22T. Florida State (57)
22T. Miami (57)
22T. Penn State (57)
22T. Purdue (57)
Others in Top 100: Rutgers (62), Washington (62), Maryland (64), Clemson (70), Minnesota (70), Texas A&M (70), Virginia Tech (74), Baylor (79), Indiana (79), Iowa (84), Michigan State (84), NC State (84), TCU (97)


NSF Total Federal Obligations for R&D ranking schools in Power 5 conferences:

Rank among P5. School (federal $ X1000)
1. Michigan ($667,704)
2. Washington ($641,706)
3. Stanford ($552,199)
4. Pitt ($532,632)
5. UCLA ($517,169)
6. Duke ($508,315)
7. Colorado ($495,701)
8. North Carolina ($482,958)
9. Wisconsin ($462,157)
10. Vanderbilt ($409,155)
11. Penn State ($401,853)
12. Northwestern ($393,277)
13. Minnesota ($392,782)
14. USC ($335,332)
15. Michigan State ($304,422)
16. Texas ($296,025)
17. Ohio State ($282,425)
18. Cal ($278,496)
19. Illinois ($274,973)
20. Florida ($252,514)
21. Rutgers ($248,528)
22. Maryland ($234,508)
23. Utah ($231,227)
24. Arizona ($211,508)
25. Iowa ($190,740)
Others in Top 100: Texas A&M ($186,539), Virginia ($182,733), Purdue ($176,446), Georgia Tech ($167,638), Miami ($160,990), NC State ($155,287), Kentucky ($155,115), Arizona State ($153,087), Virginia Tech ($135,038), Wake Forest ($116,632), Oregon State ($116,448), Georgia ($110,652), Florida State ($109,393), Kansas ($109,181), Iowa State ($102,781), Washington State ($98,896), LSU ($96,067), Missouri ($89,180), Indiana ($87,513)


Total Appearances in the AP football poll, 2010 to 2019, for Power 5 Schools (Boise St only non-P5 in top 35)

1. Alabama (163)
2. Oklahoma (159)
3. LSU (151)
4. Ohio State (150)
5. Clemson (140)
6. Wisconsin (128)
7. Oregon (121)
8T. Georgia (116)
8T. Stanford (116)
10. Michigan (109)
11. Florida State (108)
12. Notre Dame (104)
13. Auburn (103)
14T. Michigan State (100)
14T. Florida (100)
14T. Oklahoma State (100)
17. TCU (86)
17. Texas A&M (86)
19. Baylor (85)
20. USC (83)
21. Nebraska (76)
22. Utah (75)
23T. Penn State (70)
23T. South Carolina (70)
25. West Virginia (69)
Others with appearances (out of 96): Washington (65), Virginia Tech (64), Mississippi St (62), Louisville (60), Texas (58), UCLA (55), Iowa (51), Kansas State (50), Miami (49), Mississippi (45), Arkansas (42), Missouri (41), Arizona State (40), Washington State (34), Arizona (30), Northwestern (30), Georgia Tech (21), Tennessee (18), Oregon State (17), North Carolina (16), Texas Tech (16), NC State (16), Duke (13), Kentucky (12), Minnesota (11), Colorado (11), Iowa State (11), Syracuse (9), Rutgers (8), Virginia (8), Cal (7), Pitt (6), Illinois (5), Wake Forest (5), Boston College (4), Maryland (3), Vanderbilt (2), Indiana (1)


The nine Power 5 schools in the top half of all P5 schools in all three measures (with average score):
Stanford (4)
Michigan (6.7)
Wisconsin (10.3)
Ohio State (13.7)
USC (13.7)
Washington (14)
Florida (16)
Penn State (18.7)
Texas A&M (24.3)
 
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Which is why Pitt is where it's at now or since J. Dennis O'Conner, who believed Pitt could to be more like Ivy League schools, academics first! Not excellence from all departments,where Pitt is trying to get now!
Never trust someone that uses an initial for their first name. That guy was an a-hole.
 
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An institution can have both. Being good at both is always the goal and they two aren't necessarily antithetical, it is just hard to do given limited resources. "Good" is also not really defined. Let's say good at undergrad education could mean schools in US New's top 100, while good at research might mean being among the top 100 recipients of federal R&D funding, which is the most prestigious and competitive research funding. Of those, how many would you say are "good" at football? Those in the top 25 of AP poll appearances in the last 10 seasons? The ones that are good at everything generally have athletic programs that are more likely to have relatively self-sustaining revenues or have large athletic endowments. There are only 9 power five schools that place among the top half of power 5 institutions in all three measures: US News undergrad ranking, federal research, and top 25 AP football poll appearances.


US News' 25 top ranked undergraduate schools in Power 5 conferences:

Rank among P5. School (US News National Rank)
1. Stanford (6)
2. Northwestern (9)
3. Duke (10)
4T. Notre Dame (15)
4T. Vanderbilt (15)
6. UCLA (20)
7T. Cal (22)
7T. USC (22)
9. Michigan (25)
10. Wake Forest (27)
11. Virginia (28)
12T. Georgia Tech (29)
12T. North Carolina (29)
14. Florida (34)
15. Boston College (37)
16. Wisconsin (46)
17T. Illinois (48)
17T. Texas (48)
19. Georgia (50)
20T. Ohio State (54)
20T. Syracuse (54)
22T. Pitt (57)
22T. Florida State (57)
22T. Miami (57)
22T. Penn State (57)
22T. Purdue (57)
Others in Top 100: Rutgers (62), Washington (62), Maryland (64), Clemson (70), Minnesota (70), Texas A&M (70), Virginia Tech (74), Baylor (79), Indiana (79), Iowa (84), Michigan State (84), NC State (84), TCU (97)


NSF Total Federal Obligations for R&D ranking schools in Power 5 conferences:

Rank among P5. School (federal $ X1000)
1. Michigan ($667,704)
2. Washington ($641,706)
3. Stanford ($552,199)
4. Pitt ($532,632)
5. UCLA ($517,169)
6. Duke ($508,315)
7. Colorado ($495,701)
8. North Carolina ($482,958)
9. Wisconsin ($462,157)
10. Vanderbilt ($409,155)
11. Penn State ($401,853)
12. Northwestern ($393,277)
13. Minnesota ($392,782)
14. USC ($335,332)
15. Michigan State ($304,422)
16. Texas ($296,025)
17. Ohio State ($282,425)
18. Cal ($278,496)
19. Illinois ($274,973)
20. Florida ($252,514)
21. Rutgers ($248,528)
22. Maryland ($234,508)
23. Utah ($231,227)
24. Arizona ($211,508)
25. Iowa ($190,740)
Others in Top 100: Texas A&M ($186,539), Virginia ($182,733), Purdue ($176,446), Georgia Tech ($167,638), Miami ($160,990), NC State ($155,287), Kentucky ($155,115), Arizona State ($153,087), Virginia Tech ($135,038), Wake Forest ($116,632), Oregon State ($116,448), Georgia ($110,652), Florida State ($109,393), Kansas ($109,181), Iowa State ($102,781), Washington State ($98,896), LSU ($96,067), Missouri ($89,180), Indiana ($87,513)


Total Appearances in the AP football poll, 2010 to 2019, for Power 5 Schools (Boise St only non-P5 in top 35)

1. Alabama (163)
2. Oklahoma (159)
3. LSU (151)
4. Ohio State (150)
5. Clemson (140)
6. Wisconsin (128)
7. Oregon (121)
8T. Georgia (116)
8T. Stanford (116)
10. Michigan (109)
11. Florida State (108)
12. Notre Dame (104)
13. Auburn (103)
14T. Michigan State (100)
14T. Florida (100)
14T. Oklahoma State (100)
17. TCU (86)
17. Texas A&M (86)
19. Baylor (85)
20. USC (83)
21. Nebraska (76)
22. Utah (75)
23T. Penn State (70)
23T. South Carolina (70)
25. West Virginia (69)
Others with appearances (out of 96): Washington (65), Virginia Tech (64), Mississippi St (62), Louisville (60), Texas (58), UCLA (55), Iowa (51), Kansas State (50), Miami (49), Mississippi (45), Arkansas (42), Missouri (41), Arizona State (40), Washington State (34), Arizona (30), Northwestern (30), Georgia Tech (21), Tennessee (18), Oregon State (17), North Carolina (16), Texas Tech (16), NC State (16), Duke (13), Kentucky (12), Minnesota (11), Colorado (11), Iowa State (11), Syracuse (9), Rutgers (8), Virginia (8), Cal (7), Pitt (6), Illinois (5), Wake Forest (5), Boston College (4), Maryland (3), Vanderbilt (2), Indiana (1)


The nine Power 5 schools in the top half of all P5 schools in all three measures (with average score):
Stanford (4)
Michigan (6.7)
Wisconsin (10.3)
Ohio State (13.7)
USC (13.7)
Washington (14)
Florida (16)
Penn State (18.7)
Texas A&M (24.3)

This is a great list for sure. I am thinking Pitt will add to their top 25 rankings this year (if there is a year)
 
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