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#11 Pitt vs #12 Davidson

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RPI is the only thing that matters to the committee (well, maybe not the only thing, but they use it more than they will admit). As we know, polls are beyond meaningless and while RPI can still be skewed in December, its definitely better for us to be ranked 11 than 41.

This is a huge game at MSG. Most of us realized Davidson is a good A10 program who won the league last year and was picked near the top this year but this is a team that almost definitely will stay in the Top 50, potentially even Top 25 if they do really well in the A10 again. A win for Pitt will make it very difficult for us to NOT make the NCAA Tournament. In fact, I did that RPI Wizard, and with a win over Davidson, even if we went 18-11 (which would be 8-10 in the ACC), our RPI still projects at 47 which would mean we still would have a good shot at the NCAAT with 1 or 2 wins in DC. 9-9 would be a lock. But, more importantly, if we can have a real nice year, like 12-6, 11-7, we are looking at a 5 or 6 seed making the path to the Sweet 16 exponentially easier than an 8/9 seed.

This will have the feel of an NCAAT game because of the neutral court plus the fact they have a high-scoring guard. How many times have we been done in by a premier scorer? Well, Davidson's Jack Gibbs is one of the top scorers in the nation at 26 PPG, shooting 38% from 3. Their other 6'0 guard, Brian Sullivan is putting up Micah Mason-type numbers from behind the arc, shooting 46%, averaging 18 PPG. We may not see a better guard duo all year and they are going to put a ton of stress on our perimeter D. The key is to obviously limit their 3 point shooting but that's easier said than done. We did a great job on Duquesne but they are more helter-skelter. Davidson is much more disciplined and McKillop's offense will get them open looks, we just have to limit them.

I think Pitt is better but its tough to beat any team if they hit 12 or 13 3's and that is what Davidson is capable of. We'll see if our perimeter D is up to the challenge.

Pitt 82
Davidson 74
 
Not going to quibble with what you have said except to note that RPI #11 vs RPI #12 is, IMHO, a really poor comparison since I don't really believe we are the #11 team and Davidson the #12 team in terms of actual team talent and strength at the moment; but, as you say the RPI isn't much good this early.

Another way to handicap this particular individual game is to use Sagarin's ratings. Right now his "Predictor" rating has Pitt rated at 88.60 (#17) vs Davidson at 79.06 (#77) which predicts (MSG = a neutral site) Pitt by 9.5. Sagarin's other ratings predict a range of likely outcomes from Pitt by 4 to Pitt by 6.

Naturally, shooting and defending the 3-ball can make a huge difference. Pitt has also been good statistically at shooting the 3 so far this season but has had off games as well. So your observation in that regard is certainly valid and an upset is certainly possible particularly if we don't shoot the 3 well and they do shoot it well.

Further, it is hard to know what will happen coming off of a week of layoff for exams. Pitt teams have not played well in that situation in past years.

http://sagarin.com/sports/cbsend.htm
 
Not going to quibble with what you have said except to note that RPI #11 vs RPI #12 is, IMHO, a really poor comparison since I don't really believe we are the #11 team and Davidson the #12 team in terms of actual team talent and strength at the moment; but, as you say the RPI isn't much good this early.

Another way to handicap this particular individual game is to use Sagarin's ratings. Right now his "Predictor" rating has Pitt rated at 88.60 (#17) vs Davidson at 79.06 (#77) which predicts (MSG = a neutral site) Pitt by 9.5. Sagarin's other ratings predict a range of likely outcomes from Pitt by 4 to Pitt by 6.

Naturally, shooting and defending the 3-ball can make a huge difference. Pitt has also been good statistically at shooting the 3 so far this season but has had off games as well. So your observation in that regard is certainly valid and an upset is certainly possible particularly if we don't shoot the 3 well and they do shoot it well.

Further, it is hard to know what will happen coming off of a week of layoff for exams. Pitt teams have not played well in that situation in past years.

http://sagarin.com/sports/cbsend.htm

I dont think Pitt and Davidson are the 11th and 12th best teams either but the RPIs are so sky high, I am helping to point out that barring collapses, both teams are going to stay below, lets say an RPI of 40 so it will be an excellent resume win for either team.
 
Look... if you watch the replay of the last game you can see clearly that Sterling Smith's D absolutely SUCKED. His guy was getting around him and taking it to the hoop, faking him out of his boots to the point where Smith was going one way and his man was going the other... and playing off him too much so he was shooting 3balls right over him.

So, how Sterling Smith plays on D is gonna be a critical item in this game. The Morehead State players were not able to take as much of an advantage of him as they might have... but it sounds like these Davidson guards are a MAJOR different story.

Our best perimeter defender right now is probably Robinson... who pretty much shut down Micah Mason. But, Mason is not that quick and Robinson has problems with penetrators though... he is much better in covering them now than he used to be.

If Smith is having problems Dixon will probably go to Jones real fast... and Jones is not a bad defensive player and has good size.

Otherwise, Artis and Wilson are not bad perimeter defenders.

But, our perimeter defenders in general have a problem in playing too far off their guys to the point where they get 3 balls being shot right over them.

Another major thing as I see it... is how well our bench performs. Wilson, Jones, Slim, Jeter and ANO. Were really ragged in the MS game. A step up here would make a big difference.

Dixon will have had a week to prepare for this one so we will see. Yeah, given the players have had a week off as well, shouldn't be any fatigue problems.

Would be nice to see them come out and play a game like the one they played against the Dukes.
 
Davidson as a team is shooting 458 from the floor and 350 from 3 point land.

We as a team are shooting 495 from the floor and 392 from 3 point range.

They have put in 83 3balls and we have just put in 65.

They are averaging 86 PPG while we are averaging 85.

So, sounds like they are jacking up a LOT of 3balls and getting a lot of points off of them.

Might be best to put Robinson on Sullivan (kinda like Mason... 3 balls but not as much else) and cover Gibbs with.... -team-.
 
Did Davidson actually only beat Division 3 Denison by 13 points ?
they lost by 30 to N. Carolina. only beat E. Wash by 10. shouldn't pitt win this game comfortably ?
 
shouldn't pitt win this game comfortably ?


Pitt will be about a five point favorite I would imagine. I'd expect a Pitt cover, but we sometimes have problems with coming out flat in the first game after finals. That would be my worry. If we play well we will win. If we don't, well...
 
Look... if you watch the replay of the last game you can see clearly that Sterling Smith's D absolutely SUCKED. His guy was getting around him and taking it to the hoop, faking him out of his boots to the point where Smith was going one way and his man was going the other... and playing off him too much so he was shooting 3balls right over him.

So, how Sterling Smith plays on D is gonna be a critical item in this game. The Morehead State players were not able to take as much of an advantage of him as they might have... but it sounds like these Davidson guards are a MAJOR different story.

Our best perimeter defender right now is probably Robinson... who pretty much shut down Micah Mason. But, Mason is not that quick and Robinson has problems with penetrators though... he is much better in covering them now than he used to be.

If Smith is having problems Dixon will probably go to Jones real fast... and Jones is not a bad defensive player and has good size.

Otherwise, Artis and Wilson are not bad perimeter defenders.

But, our perimeter defenders in general have a problem in playing too far off their guys to the point where they get 3 balls being shot right over them.

Another major thing as I see it... is how well our bench performs. Wilson, Jones, Slim, Jeter and ANO. Were really ragged in the MS game. A step up here would make a big difference.

Dixon will have had a week to prepare for this one so we will see. Yeah, given the players have had a week off as well, shouldn't be any fatigue problems.

Would be nice to see them come out and play a game like the one they played against the Dukes.
Fatigue... Dear drama queen. D0on't you think the boys were fatigued from pulling those all nighters getting ready for the finals. The only thing fatiguing are your moronic replays of the same incorrect theme. Take a nap maybe the fatigue will go away. Unfortunately for you the very limited brain power is here for life,
 
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Fatigue... Dear drama queen. D0on't you think the boys were fatigued from pulling those all nighters getting ready for the finals. The only thing fatiguing are your moronic replays of the same incorrect theme. Take a nap maybe the fatigue will go away. Unfortunately for you the very limited brain power is here for life,

Goldie... you have gotten to the point where you are just a bore so... I just put you on ignore.
 
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