2-loss PSU in the top 10 because of that signature OSU win...
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Don't be such a bitter old poop. I would be happy for bit if they made the Orange Bowl. Blame the voters!
We can ride the 42-39 win horse until it drops but as PITT fans to counter this years NItter "success" with Joe Knew is bush league!
The Joe Knew, Cleary Act crap is getting old.
They got lucky this year with OSU coming into Unhappy Valley disinterested playing their worse game game of the year, Iowa as well, and they have an easy schedule.
They'll go back to "su-king" next year!
So let's beat their Nitter butts in Unhappy Valley that's all that counts!
Plus we'll have a great season next year!
The Joe Knew, Cleary Act crap is getting old.
They got lucky this year with OSU coming into Unhappy Valley disinterested playing their worse game game of the year, Iowa as well, and they have an easy schedule.
They'll go back to "su-king" next year!
So let's beat their Nitter butts in Unhappy Valley that's all that counts!
Plus we'll have a great season next year!
There is no way you can tell me Oklahoma st, UNC, Miami, VT is not 10 times better teams than Indiana, Minny, Temple, Iowa.
Just look at the difference in recruiting classes since so many Penn st fans like to hang their hat on.
Anybody who would try and say different simply doesn't know much about college football
Just look at the difference in recruiting classes since so many Penn st fans like to hang their hat on.
Anybody who would try and say different simply doesn't know much about college football
You could say the same about your win yesterday that Clemson was not motivated and uninterested but you still gotta play and someone's gotta win.
I was coming over to congratulate u guys but you gotta act like jerks.
I was coming over to congratulate u guys but you gotta act like jerks.
If you can't say that, for instance, North Carolina is better than Indiana the only thing that can possibly be surmised is that you've never watched Indiana play. Which is odd, since they played your favorite school yesterday. Or that you really don't have much of a clue. I suppose it could be that.
Now had you said that Indiana might not be worse than Boston College or Virginia then sure, they might not be. But then again they might be. That's Indiana's ACC comparison. In fact that's Minnesota's comparison in the ACC as well. Their wins this year are against Oregon State (two wins so far), Colorado State (hey, they are the fifth best team in their half of the MWC, they must be good!), Indiana State, Maryland, Rutgers (a two point win at home), Illinois and Purdue. In other words they still haven't beaten a top 50 or 60 team all season. Which isn't surprising, because they aren't a top 50 or 60 team either.
Are you seriously saying that you don't think that there is any way that someone can say that North Carolina, Virginia Tech and Miami are all undoubtedly better than Indiana and Minnesota?
If you give Pitt a team like Temple and Maryland and we give PSU North Carolina and OkSt from our schedule then we are the 2 loss team and they've the 4 loss team. It's just unfortunate that they've been dealt a way more favorable schedule then we have. The proof showed who the better team is/was on Sept. 10.
UNC, VaTech, and Miami aren't very good. Neither are Minnesota and Indiana.
UNC 7-3
VaTech 7-3
Miami 6-4
IU 5-5
Minny 7-3
All of those teams are mediocre and unranked.
UNC 7-3
VaTech 7-3
Miami 6-4
IU 5-5
Minny 7-3
All of those teams are mediocre and unranked.
It's not surprising that you don't know that North Carolina is 24th in the current coaches poll (and 27th in the AP). And of course Virginia Tech was ranked until their loss yesterday and is 28th in one poll and 29th in the other. The fact that you think that neither one of them is any better than Indiana or Minnesota says a lot about how well you know college football.
In my opinion, UNC & VaTech are better. However that's just my opinion. There is no definitive proof. The divide is not near as much as many people make it out to be. Both teams are mediocre. And I noticed you conveniently left out Iowa.
UNC, VaTech, and Miami all have embarrassing losses and few good wins.
BTW Joe, There is a word for 28th in a top 25 poll. UNRANKED
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Miami, VT and UNC have twice as much talent as Indiana, Minn or Iowa.
The three ACC teams are better at almost every single position. And all three ACC teams have better coaches.
-The ACC Coastal Division has more wins against Top 25 teams than any other division in college football this year. The Coastal has more Top 25 wins then the entire Big 12 Conference Combined.
-5 Different teams from the Coastal has beat a ranked team. Pitt has played 5 ranked teams this year. That's more to date than any other P5 team in the country. This division already has 5 bowl eligible teams, better than any other division. And the only real cupcake in the division is Virginia.
-Last year the Coastal beat up the Atlantic in head to head matchups. The Atlantic is again having problems with the Coastal, with Pitt beating Clemson, North Carolina beating Florida State, etc.. The Coastal may have 5 teams win at least 8 or 9 games this year at seasons end. This is without question the most balanced division in college football.
-Indiana has 5 wins this year. Against 3-7 Florida International, 3-6 Ball State, 3-7 Michigan State, 2-8 Rutgers, and 5-5 Maryland. They also lost to Wake Forest at home. Indiana would be winless in the ACC Coastal. And if Indiana played Pitt's schedule to date, they would be 2-8 as a team. As for Minnesota, they also do not have a single win against a team with a winning record. Maryland just got outscored 122-6 its last 2 games, smashing the all time worst performance ever in a 2 game period in the Big Ten. Iowa has shown to be competitive. They also have shown they can get their doors blown off, like losing to Penn State 41-14. No team in the country would go through the coastal undefeated this year except maybe Alabama. This conference and division has been far better than I thought preseason and is very competitive.
and next week they could have 3 or 4 and will almost guaranteed they will have at least 2. Rankings are popularity contest. Where you started has a huge impact, also most of those voting are low information voters. I bet Pitt won't be ranked next week with a win over duke we will be 27 to 30. Pitt would be 7-4 and have played 3 games against top 10 teams(winning two) and possibly 3 more against top 25 programs(VT,UNC and GT maybe even miami if they win)
The coastal is a tough division because there is a lot of balance. Now there are no great teams so a very good team could go through that schedule and not lose or only lose one game. The PSU vs Pitt schedule arguement to me always comes down to this. It is easier to go 12-0 or 11-1 with Pitt's schedule; very good teams are clemson vs MI and OSU. But its much easier to go 9-3 or 10-2 vs Psu schedule than Pitts because OK st,NC(both on road) VT, GT and at miami is tougher than PSU's remaining 9 games.
So you say there is no definitive proof. You are 'definitively' implying that the only definitive proof is the result of a head to head contest. In a head to head contest Pitt beat, Penn St. So by your logic, Pitt must be better than Penn St. It must cause you pain, but glad that you cleared that up.
I'm not saying Pitt is or isn't better than PSU. Pitt won head to head. PSU has a higher ranking and better resume. Two weeks ago, PSU looked far superior, this past week, Pitt did. Draw your own conclusions.
PSU, with the OL they played with Saturday, could lose to anyone.
PSU, with the OL they played with Saturday, could lose to anyone.
Why are you wasting your and everyone else's time saying nothing and that everyone should draw their own conclusions: Afraid that your true position would 'definitively' expose where your loyalty lies?
I'm a Pitt fan.
Are you assuming my loyalties lie with the team I think is better? I just think its stupid to assume what Pitt's record would be another team's schedule.
I'm thrilled with win over Clemson. However, arguing that we would easily be in the Top 10 with another teams schedule is moronic when we aren't even on top of mediocre ACC Coastal that was there for the taking.
Are you assuming my loyalties lie with the team I think is better? I just think its stupid to assume what Pitt's record would be another team's schedule.
I'm thrilled with win over Clemson. However, arguing that we would easily be in the Top 10 with another teams schedule is moronic when we aren't even on top of mediocre ACC Coastal that was there for the taking.
There's also a word for people who think that Indiana is or might be as good as North Carolina. CLUELESS
Because they play a lot of other good teams.... the rankings dont always have the 25 best teams.
What good wins do minnesota and indiana have? Indiana lost to wake forest. UNC, vatech and Miami all have more good wins. Iowa does have one good win. Still its likely Iowa will have 7 wins, I expect GA tech to have 8, UNc 8 or 9 , VA tech 8 or 9 and Miami 7 or 8.
VaTech lost to Tennessee, Syracuse, and GaTech. Miami lost to Notre Dame. UNC lost to UGA & Duke and 34-3 to VaTech.
The Coastal sucks. There is no way to spin it.
Uh, reading comprehension just isn't your thing is it? I said I think UNC is better. However, if you can't go on the road (TEN MILES UP THE ROAD) and beat Duke, then beating Indiana would not be a sure thing either.
Finally, someone who makes sense. I don't know why all this harping about PSU's schedule when they play in arguably the toughest division in college football, even with MSU's implosion this season. Pitt should be happy PSU is doing well. Makes their win look better. As for PSU, Pitt's win over Clemson actually helps PSU. 3 point loss on the road to a team that beat Clemson in Death Valley makes that loss a lot more tolerable to someone on the Committee looking at it.
The coastal is actually very good and competative from top to bottom...
You are going to look very silly this bowl season.
Wake me up when UPS beats a good team on the road! Come back on our site after we beat your asses again. 3 in a row!
Toughest division?? With winless RU, 1-6 MSU and Maryland? Lol
2 good teams... 1 extremely overrated team and other half of the division is beyond terrible.
Wont happen this year... they will get exposed the minute that play anyone half decent on the road.
Imagine what Clemson would do to them in Death Valley?? It would be worse than the 49-10 ass beating they took in the big house.
Would PSU beat UNC, Ok St, or Miami on the road?? Hell no...no chance.
Would they beat VT at home? It would be very close??
Would they beat VT at home? It would be very close??
For the "Penn State would beat Pitt if they played again" crowd. Conner is way better at this point in the season and so is our passing game. Pitt put up 43 on PSU with not as strong Conner and no passing game. I'm guessing they'd put up 55 on them now?
How about Clemson on the road? Pllllllease stop! Until the beat a good team on the road they their record is suspect.
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