I don't know. The most obvious to clueless me is the pass rush. The key sacks that got them off the field have dried up. They had 80 sacks first 2 yrs, 55 these last 2. They were ranked 95th in yards allowed, 79th in points allowed, 80th in interceptions last year.
2019 Defense - Finally Legit after 5 years in the making?
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What was Clemson's rank in red zone scoring?
What was the average starting position the opposition faced versus Clemson?
I don't know the answers for it. I stole the formula from urban Meyer when he was at Florida. He put more emphasis on running the ball then time of possession. However, the 2 go hand and hand.
Canada sold me on his philosophy vs tempo. He set all kinds records running tempo at IU but they really didn't drastically improve their w/L record. His version of tempo after leaving iu was the presnap shifting and motions. He has the statistical evidence to show it was as efficient in scoring but you limited the opposition possessions in doing so.
Ivin Jasper holds similar philosophy as well.
Do you believe a program is established over a 5 year period? You brought up the topic of programs. I could cherry pick 5 year periods in which a lot of schools did very well.
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If you don’t have such an offense you’re not
playing the same game as the more successful programs in college football.
Clemson was 43rd in Red Zone scoring percentage.
Clemson was 86th in time of possession.
For those being the two most important stats (in your opinion) Clemson certainly didn't rank very high in either category.
You also state that flipping the field and limiting opponent possessions are also crucial measures of success.
Clemson was 46th in average starting field position.
Clemson was 33rd in average allowed starting field position.
Clemson was 118th in opponent possessions allowed per game
There are far more important statistics to determine the effectiveness of a system. Offensive/Defensive efficiency are far more important than anything you mentioned.
They were top 15 in
Yards per play
Average yards per possession
% of yards available per possession
% of possessions ending in points
Fewest Yards per Point
Yards per play adjusted for Strength of Schedule
% of possessions with 20+ yard Touchdown
Almost top 15
Shortest time per drive (22nd)
Percentage of possessions ending in a turnover (16th)
Plays per minute (29th)
Fewest plays per possession (35th)
LOL! That's for sure! What is that guy smoking?
There will be games this year when we'll give up more than 21 points in a single game. I like the optimism, but show me that we have a defense first. We don't yet.
I don't know if this is tracked, or how it correlates to winning, but I've always thought that success on 1st down would seem to be an indicator of an efficient offense. Maybe like yards on 1st down as a % of yards needed to convert. It just seems like if you are consistently working from 2&5 more than 2&10 you open up more of your playbook for the defense to defend.
It also means that you are probably getting more convertible 3rd down situations, or converting on 2nd. So it would seem to be more important comparatively that the weight given to 3rd down success.
I guess it is sort of like working ahead of the count in baseball vs a pitcher getting a first pitch strike.
It also means that you are probably getting more convertible 3rd down situations, or converting on 2nd. So it would seem to be more important comparatively that the weight given to 3rd down success.
I guess it is sort of like working ahead of the count in baseball vs a pitcher getting a first pitch strike.
Wisconsin eats clock while scoring.
So long as you score on your possession the pace is not relevant
3 of the 4 playoff teams, including the national champs, would disagree with you. They are 3 of the top 4 teams in the country in points per play ratio. Of the plyoff teams, only Alabama at #41 is in the top 85 in TOP.
Interestingly, Wisconsin isn’t in the top 25 in TOP. Pitt, on the other hand, is #5. In fact, the top 25 in TOP is a who’s who of the offensively challenged.
When Saban went from ground and pound to a tempo offense, I think that kind of said it all.
i never bothered to look in this thread............ knew it was littered.
The point is this -
In the most recent 5 year cycle, the B10 has been better.
In the long term, the B10 has been better. The #'s show this.
Let me ask you this, if the acc is better, why do they have a losing record to the b10 both recently and historically?
Do I think a program can be built in 5 years? Sure... if we're going to ride with Clemson as the current torch bearer, what were they the previous 20-25 years - average....
FSU has been on a serious down swing recently. Historically, sure we can say they've had a very good to great program. In the past few years they're clearly behind osu, Michigan, psu, Wisconsin, msu, etc.
Miami has been putrid since leaving the big east. They've gotten boatraced vs Wisconsin more than once.
VT hasn't been among the elite in almost 20 years.
The computer #'s, polls, head to head matchups all favor the B10.
More interestingly that has nothing to do with my actual post...
Which wasn’t about time of possession- but points per possession.
More specifically that pace (plays per game) is likewise meaningless if you aren’t scoring ( see Todd graham at Pitt- likewise playing slow and not scoring )
If you actually bothered to read
2019 NFL Draft by conference
- SEC: 64
- Big Ten: 40
- Pac-12: 33
- ACC: 28
- Big 12: 26
- AAC: 11
- Mountain West: 10
- MAC: 9
- Independent: 8
- FCS: 7
- C-USA: 6
- Division II: 5
The SEC is far away the best football conference. The number of guys on a 53 man NFL roster is essentially a wash between the Big 10 and ACC. The PAC 12 comes next, and the Big 12 is way behind in fifth.
Time of possession is becoming an increasingly meaningless stat, up there with QB passing yards and MLB pitcher wins and batting averages.
Actually pretty impressive showing by the ACC considering how much of their teams Miami, FSU, and VT returned.
We basically got nothing from two of our NFL factories and nothing from our next tier talent school. We relied on Clemson and then all the average recruiting classes to supply the draft picks.
