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Think these are the best shows on NFL Network. Dan is on now.
Was too young to remember that Marino had to beat the Steelers to go to his Super Bowl and in 85 his Dolphins beat the Bears in regular season. Bears only loss that season.
What could have been if he was selected by the hometown team.
 
Think these are the best shows on NFL Network. Dan is on now.
Was too young to remember that Marino had to beat the Steelers to go to his Super Bowl and in 85 his Dolphins beat the Bears in regular season.
What could have been if he was selected by the hometown team.
Just a really weird 1984 season. Steelers likely weren’t given much of a chance to make the AFC Championship (entering the rebuild), while most assumed that was the first of many appearances for Marino.

If we draft Dan, I have to think we have 2-3 more Super Bowls.
 
Just a really weird 1984 season. Steelers likely weren’t given much of a chance to make the AFC Championship (entering the rebuild), while most assumed that was the first of many appearances for Marino.

If we draft Dan, I have to think we have 2-3 more Super Bowls.
Yeah I had to go look up the Steelers 84 season. Was shocked they made it to the AFC Championship game.
That 83 QB class was something else.
 
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That 1984 season for the Steelers was a fun one. Back-to-back games scoring 35 points versus Houston and Atlanta and the 52-point explosion versus the Chargers. Then beating the Raiders to win the division and beating Denver for a playoff win.

Too bad the team didn’t select Hostetler in round two of that draft to have a guy ready to take over since we learned not long into 1985 that Malone was not the guy.
 
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That 1984 season for the Steelers was a fun one. Back-to-back games scoring 35 points versus Houston and Atlanta and the 52-point explosion versus the Chargers. Then beating the Raiders to win the division and beating Denver for a playoff win.

Too bad the team didn’t select Hostetler in round two of that draft to have a guy ready to take over since we learned not long into 1985 that Malone was not the guy.
that's why I feel lucky we got Pickett, a gamer like Marino without waiting a decade for a good QB.
 
The 84 Steelers were the only team to beat the 49ers that year and they would have beaten them in the Super Bowl, Emperor Chaz was Bill Walsh’s kryptonite.
 
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The 84 Steelers were the only team to beat the 49ers that year and they would have beaten them in the Super Bowl, Emperor Chaz was Bill Walsh’s kryptonite.
I’m disappointed we never got a Steelers-49ers Super Bowl. Best chance would’ve either been early 80s or mid 90s. Two historic franchises whose dynasties barely missed each other.
 
Think these are the best shows on NFL Network. Dan is on now.
Was too young to remember that Marino had to beat the Steelers to go to his Super Bowl and in 85 his Dolphins beat the Bears in regular season. Bears only loss that season.
What could have been if he was selected by the hometown team.
What could have been??? NOTHING!!! If Dan Marino was drafted by the steelers, he'd have been known by the title of Dan "Average NFL QB" Marino. The steelers would never have adjusted their style of play on offense. Marino would have been asked to turn and hand the ball off to whichever RB was supposed to run the ball. The Dolphins and Don Shula tailored their offense around Marino's strengths Chuck Noll would not have done that. Best thing that could have happened for Dan Marino!!
 
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What could have been??? NOTHING!!! If Dan Marino was drafted by the steelers, he'd have been known by the title of Dan "Average NFL QB" Marino. The steelers would never have adjusted their style of play on offense. Marino would have been asked to turn and hand the ball off to whichever RB was supposed to run the ball. The Dolphins and Don Shula tailored their offense around Marino's strengths Chuck Noll would not have done that. Best thing that could have happened for Dan Marino!!
Perhaps, but I bet Dan doesn't throw two softballs to Larry Brown in the Super Bowl!
 
What could have been??? NOTHING!!! If Dan Marino was drafted by the steelers, he'd have been known by the title of Dan "Average NFL QB" Marino. The steelers would never have adjusted their style of play on offense. Marino would have been asked to turn and hand the ball off to whichever RB was supposed to run the ball. The Dolphins and Don Shula tailored their offense around Marino's strengths Chuck Noll would not have done that. Best thing that could have happened for Dan Marino!!

A ridiculous post.

A decent (not great...but decent) run game is all the dolphins would have needed to be an annual playoff team. In all of Marino's years they never had a 1000 yard back.

Under Chuck Noll, the Steelers had 1000 yard backs and HOF receivers.

To suggest the Steelers wouldnt "adapt" is sheer lunacy.
 
What could have been??? NOTHING!!! If Dan Marino was drafted by the steelers, he'd have been known by the title of Dan "Average NFL QB" Marino. The steelers would never have adjusted their style of play on offense. Marino would have been asked to turn and hand the ball off to whichever RB was supposed to run the ball. The Dolphins and Don Shula tailored their offense around Marino's strengths Chuck Noll would not have done that. Best thing that could have happened for Dan Marino!!
Your memory is in correct. When the NFL eliminated the bump and run coverage (called the Mel Blount rule) the Steelers under Noll, tossed the ball all over the place. In 1978 they had a top 5 offense, in 1979, they had the top offense (passing 2nd) in the NFL. Steelers only played "Ground Chuck" when the QB play was mediocre.
 
Originally, Noll let the QB call his own plays (that may have changed later when he had duds like Blackledge, Woodley, Malone etc. Bradshaw had the autonomy to throw all day long (and he often abused it in later years, heaving picks galore). Little doubt that Dan would have the same when his talent became undeniable. Dan would have done even better than Bradshaw in that sense, his velocity and release were close if not better than TB’s, he had similar chutzpah, yet didn’t hold the ball too long and take bad sacks like TB, and his accuracy was better (while he certainly threw his share of picks as well).

A couple problems were that the Steelers had held on to many of their old players far too long into the 80s. Some of the guys continued solid play (Stallworth, Webster) but many fell off. And other great vets who were replaced had unworthy successors. Miamis running game was not good but one with Frank Pollard and Walter Abercrombie would have been scarcely better.

Plus the defense was a sieve through much of the 80s, for much the same reasons. Hacks like Gary Dun, Steve Furness, John Banaszack and Tom Beasley manned the DL ridiculously too long. Lambert was a shadow of himself but went on until finally a foot injury did him in. Blount and Shell and Dwayne Woodruff were well past their prime but had no successors.

The QBs stunk in the 80s but were hardly the only problem. Miami had far better teams that decades around Dan.

And the Pgh media, led by assho1es Bob Smizik and Bruce Keidan, would have crucified any bad game, heck, bad throw, Marino made. It was these dicks who made up the drug rumors about Marino in the first place, remember. Imagine their vitriol had the Steelers still taken Dan despite their cautions. There would have been massive negativity over the team. You just knew that if Dan put up 400 yards and 4 td passes yet the Steeler D gave up 45 points, Smizik would blame Marino.

It wouldn’t have gone very well IMO
 
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A ridiculous post.

A decent (not great...but decent) run game is all the dolphins would have needed to be an annual playoff team. In all of Marino's years they never had a 1000 yard back.

Under Chuck Noll, the Steelers had 1000 yard backs and HOF receivers.

To suggest the Steelers wouldnt "adapt" is sheer lunacy.

Proof that the Steelers can adapt their offense to the QB:

1975: 36% pass rate (bottom 5 or so in NFL) at 7.2 yards per attempt

1979: 47% pass rate (top 10) at 7.9 yards per attempt

Same QB, same RB, same WR, roughly same OL in both years. Same defense. Same coach.

So what changed?

The QB got a lot better. That's it. No coaching or personnel changes. Just the team having an MVP candidate at QB allowed them to throw more often because it became more productive to do so.

That's all the proof that I need that at least Noll wouldn't have squandered Marino. He knew how to change up the offensive philosophy in dramatic ways to win games. He would not have turned Marino into a handoff machine.
 
Noll, even with Malone as his QB, almost pulled the trigger on a trade-up to select Jerry Rice. He couldn't do it having to give up his 2nd- and 3rd-round choices. Good for Jerry, bad for Pittsburgh. The first three picks for a forgettable PIT draft that gets zero mention for its awfulness were Darryl Sims, Mark Behning and Lifford Hobley.

Noll, if he had Marino, would've opened up the offense. It was not going to be running the ball 40 times and playing good defense and trying to win, 17-14. People seem to forget how good the offense was from 1978-82 under Bradshaw. It was top 10 in 1984 with Malone/Woodley piloting it.

If Marino was selected, all that needed shoring up to be the best in the AFC and win some SBs in the 1980s was a better secondary. That unit was mediocre to bad from 1980-87. Those young bucks who came later that decade made that unit so good.
 
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Noll, even with Malone as his QB, almost pulled the trigger on a trade-up to select Jerry Rice. He couldn't do it having to give up his 2nd- and 3rd-round choices. Good for Jerry, bad for Pittsburgh. The first three picks for a forgettable PIT draft that gets zero mention for its awfulness were Darryl Sims, Mark Behning and Lifford Hobley.

Noll, if he had Marino, would've opened up the offense. It was not going to be running the ball 40 times and playing good defense and trying to win, 17-14. People seem to forget how good the offense was from 1978-82 under Bradshaw. It was top 10 in 1984 with Malone/Woodley piloting it.

If Marino was selected, all that needed shoring up to be the best in the AFC and win some SBs in the 1980s was a better secondary. That unit was mediocre to bad from 1980-87. Those young bucks who came later that decade made that unit so good.
Plus one. Though the DL was also subpar much of the 80s as well (the LB were typically good though). QB pressure was nearly nonexistent in much of the 80s.
I’m dubious the RB were any better than Miami’s at that time as well. However, Lou Lipps and even the aging Stallworth would have given Marino good targets…as good as Miami’s, that’s debatable however.
 
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Originally, Noll let the QB call his own plays (that may have changed later when he had duds like Blackledge, Woodley, Malone etc. Bradshaw had the autonomy to throw all day long (and he often abused it in later years, heaving picks galore). Little doubt that Dan would have the same when his talent became undeniable. Dan would have done even better than Bradshaw in that sense, his velocity and release were close if not better than TB’s, he had similar chutzpah, yet didn’t hold the ball too long and take bad sacks like TB, and his accuracy was better (while he certainly threw his share of picks as well).

A couple problems were that the Steelers had held on to many of their old players far too long into the 80s. Some of the guys continued solid play (Stallworth, Webster) but many fell off. And other great vets who were replaced had unworthy successors. Miamis running game was not good but one with Frank Pollard and Walter Abercrombie would have been scarcely better.

Plus the defense was a sieve through much of the 80s, for much the same reasons. Hacks like Gary Dun, Steve Furness, John Banaszack and Tom Beasley manned the DL ridiculously too long. Lambert was a shadow of himself but went on until finally a foot injury did him in. Blount and Shell and Dwayne Woodruff were well past their prime but had no successors.

The QBs stunk in the 80s but were hardly the only problem. Miami had far better teams that decades around Dan.

And the Pgh media, led by assho1es Bob Smizik and Bruce Keidan, would have crucified any bad game, heck, bad throw, Marino made. It was these dicks who made up the drug rumors about Marino in the first place, remember. Imagine their vitriol had the Steelers still taken Dan despite their cautions. There would have been massive negativity over the team. You just knew that if Dan put up 400 yards and 4 td passes yet the Steeler D gave up 45 points, Smizik would blame Marino.

It wouldn’t have gone very well IMO
While I am sure alot of this in regards to the Pittsburgh media might have been true, 26 other teams passed on Marino. Including 5 other teams drafting QB's. I was old enough to understand things then. I think Marino's issues weren't just manufactured by local guys.

And let's also understand if that was now, Danny comes out after his JR year, with that tape, and he is a top 5 pick for sure.
 
Although everyone here knows this, it still bears repeating i think,

And that is....besides passing on Marino, Gabe Rivera never played for the Steelers, this making the decision to pass on Danny even more glaring.
 
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While I am sure alot of this in regards to the Pittsburgh media might have been true, 26 other teams passed on Marino. Including 5 other teams drafting QB's. I was old enough to understand things then. I think Marino's issues weren't just manufactured by local guys.

And let's also understand if that was now, Danny comes out after his JR year, with that tape, and he is a top 5 pick for sure.

IMO, it wasn't the "rumors" it was just prospect fatigue with a guy who had been good for a long time and then didn't have a great senior season, plus the fact that QBs weren't at quite the premium that they are now.

Even in the 2004 class, Big Ben went 11th despite being thought of as highly as Eli and Rivers. Because teams still valued studs at non-premium positions like G (Robert Gallery), S (Sean Taylor) and TE (Kellen Winslow). We forget that it wasn't that long ago you could get a premium QB prospect outside of the top 5 picks.
 
Although everyone here knows this, it still bears repeating i think,

And that is....besides passing on Marino, Gabe Rivera never played for the Steelers, this making the decision to pass on Danny even more glaring.
He played in six games and had two sacks. In the game at Houston, Rivera split a double team between Bruce Matthews and the center with sheer power and sacked Archie Manning. On another play, he shook the lineman and made a tackle low on the running back and Lambert came in high. Cool to see because in a way, you're right, it feels like it never happened.

I still would've been happy with Brashaw playing until 1986, Rivera never being in the accident and Lambert not getting turf toe. I think 1983-85 plays out a whole lot differently.
 
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The word was that Marino’s first dolphins practice, he was throwing the ball with such velocity that the defensive players were doing separate drills all stopped in amazement at what they were seeing from Marino
 
Lots of interesting discussion here about the 84 Steelers with Marino as QB.

But also I would have been interested to see what he could have done with some of those defenses in the Cowher years. The early and mid 90s could have been epic.
That would have been interesting to see. But I’m not sure that Dan makes it into the 90s with the Steelers, given the headwinds of the 80s noted above. I think things would have gone sour (not because of him but because of all the other things that caused the Steelers to largely stink in those seasons). But the dunce fans and idiot Pgh media being what they were and still are, the Pitt “coke head” QB would get the blame. Toxicity would have ruled. They would have parted ways well ahead of Cowher’s arrival.
 
IMO, it wasn't the "rumors" it was just prospect fatigue with a guy who had been good for a long time and then didn't have a great senior season, plus the fact that QBs weren't at quite the premium that they are now.

Even in the 2004 class, Big Ben went 11th despite being thought of as highly as Eli and Rivers. Because teams still valued studs at non-premium positions like G (Robert Gallery), S (Sean Taylor) and TE (Kellen Winslow). We forget that it wasn't that long ago you could get a premium QB prospect outside of the top 5 picks.
That's a good point. And a weird one if you think about it, even back then, the franchises with the HOG QB's were mostly successful.
 
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The word was that Marino’s first dolphins practice, he was throwing the ball with such velocity that the defensive players were doing separate drills all stopped in amazement at what they were seeing from Marino
Yeah, a one of a generation talent. But at least Shula tossed his old protégé Noll a dry gnawed bone by giving us his castoff David Woodley!
 
The Dolphins squandered Marino's talent. They never had a complimentary running game or a defense worth a sh*t. Dan and his receivers were fantastic and that's all they ever had
Shula was the most overrated coach in pro sports history.
 
Originally, Noll let the QB call his own plays (that may have changed later when he had duds like Blackledge, Woodley, Malone etc. Bradshaw had the autonomy to throw all day long (and he often abused it in later years, heaving picks galore). Little doubt that Dan would have the same when his talent became undeniable. Dan would have done even better than Bradshaw in that sense, his velocity and release were close if not better than TB’s, he had similar chutzpah, yet didn’t hold the ball too long and take bad sacks like TB, and his accuracy was better (while he certainly threw his share of picks as well).

A couple problems were that the Steelers had held on to many of their old players far too long into the 80s. Some of the guys continued solid play (Stallworth, Webster) but many fell off. And other great vets who were replaced had unworthy successors. Miamis running game was not good but one with Frank Pollard and Walter Abercrombie would have been scarcely better.

Plus the defense was a sieve through much of the 80s, for much the same reasons. Hacks like Gary Dun, Steve Furness, John Banaszack and Tom Beasley manned the DL ridiculously too long. Lambert was a shadow of himself but went on until finally a foot injury did him in. Blount and Shell and Dwayne Woodruff were well past their prime but had no successors.

The QBs stunk in the 80s but were hardly the only problem. Miami had far better teams that decades around Dan.

And the Pgh media, led by assho1es Bob Smizik and Bruce Keidan, would have crucified any bad game, heck, bad throw, Marino made. It was these dicks who made up the drug rumors about Marino in the first place, remember. Imagine their vitriol had the Steelers still taken Dan despite their cautions. There would have been massive negativity over the team. You just knew that if Dan put up 400 yards and 4 td passes yet the Steeler D gave up 45 points, Smizik would blame Marino.

It wouldn’t have gone very well IMO
You're memory is awful. The Steelers' D was excellent throughout the early 80's. That "shadow" was the Defensive player of The Year in 1983 and Blount was a pro-bowler in 81' and guys like Dunn and Shell we're excellent and Merryweather, Little and Cole were elite. Through 84', the Steelers' were a SB team if they had a QB. They kept Green, Greenwood and Furness a year too long in 81' but that was because they lost Keith Gary to the CFL and a couple of other guys to injuries and really bad trades. Those guys bit the bullet to give it one more go. The 80's Steelers' were just snake bit. They must've used up 2 decades worth of good fortune in the 70's.
 
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A ridiculous post.

A decent (not great...but decent) run game is all the dolphins would have needed to be an annual playoff team. In all of Marino's years they never had a 1000 yard back.

Under Chuck Noll, the Steelers had 1000 yard backs and HOF receivers.

To suggest the Steelers wouldnt "adapt" is sheer lunacy.
It is absolutely NOT a ridiculous post. Dan Marino's NFL career would NEVER have been duplicated here in Pittsburgh. You obviously have your own opinion on this subject as do I and I am pretty sure that we will just have to agree to disagree on this one.
 
It is absolutely NOT a ridiculous post. Dan Marino's NFL career would NEVER have been duplicated here in Pittsburgh. You obviously have your own opinion on this subject as do I and I am pretty sure that we will just have to agree to disagree on this one.
Some evidence to support my claim that Don Shula changed his style of offense to accommodate Dan Marino's talents and that Chuck Noll would not have done so...


 
The Steelers ran the Air Coryell offense in 1984. Noll was quoted to take the passing game seriously when he coached under Sid Gillman, who told Noll "If you want to ring the cash register, you need to be able to throw the ball."

Marino doesn't throw for 61,000-plus yards if he played in Pittsburgh, but he has two Super Bowl rings at the very least.
 
It is absolutely NOT a ridiculous post. Dan Marino's NFL career would NEVER have been duplicated here in Pittsburgh. You obviously have your own opinion on this subject as do I and I am pretty sure that we will just have to agree to disagree on this one.

I never said he would duplicate his numbers here.

My post suggested that with a solid running game, the dolphins would have been an annual playoff team.

Marino a steeler, with a proven running game

He has at least 2 SB rings
 
What could have been??? NOTHING!!! If Dan Marino was drafted by the steelers, he'd have been known by the title of Dan "Average NFL QB" Marino. The steelers would never have adjusted their style of play on offense. Marino would have been asked to turn and hand the ball off to whichever RB was supposed to run the ball. The Dolphins and Don Shula tailored their offense around Marino's strengths Chuck Noll would not have done that. Best thing that could have happened for Dan Marino!!
I agree, Steelers/Yinzers are obsessed with rock pounding, even after having a serious QB with serious passing ability, all they obsess over still is Poundin' da rock and controllin' da clock. They had Ben who is a hall of fame 21st century high level passer and they'd open games trying to run and not cut Ben loose until falling behind. I totally agree, Noll would have been TOO STUPID to do WHAT IS RIGHT with a talent like Marino: GO PASS HAPPY.
 
Think these are the best shows on NFL Network. Dan is on now.
Was too young to remember that Marino had to beat the Steelers to go to his Super Bowl and in 85 his Dolphins beat the Bears in regular season. Bears only loss that season.
What could have been if he was selected by the hometown team.

Yeah, same, I missed his prime years, but if only the Steelers drafted him
 
I'm not sure how you can say he would have won Super Bowls with the Steelers. He never won a championship on any level. Great individual player but could never get his team over the hump in the big one
 
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You're memory is awful. The Steelers' D was excellent throughout the early 80's. That "shadow" was the Defensive player of The Year in 1983 and Blount was a pro-bowler in 81' and guys like Dunn and Shell we're excellent and Merryweather, Little and Cole were elite. Through 84', the Steelers' were a SB team if they had a QB. They kept Green, Greenwood and Furness a year too long in 81' but that was because they lost Keith Gary to the CFL and a couple of other guys to injuries and really bad trades. Those guys bit the bullet to give it one more go. The 80's Steelers' were just snake bit. They must've used up 2 decades worth of good fortune in the 70's.
Marino was still at Pitt for most of the years you cite.
By the time he was in the NFL and in his prime, the late 80s and early 90s … the Steelers D was watery diarrhea.
 
Originally, Noll let the QB call his own plays (that may have changed later when he had duds like Blackledge, Woodley, Malone etc. Bradshaw had the autonomy to throw all day long (and he often abused it in later years, heaving picks galore). Little doubt that Dan would have the same when his talent became undeniable. Dan would have done even better than Bradshaw in that sense, his velocity and release were close if not better than TB’s, he had similar chutzpah, yet didn’t hold the ball too long and take bad sacks like TB, and his accuracy was better (while he certainly threw his share of picks as well).

A couple problems were that the Steelers had held on to many of their old players far too long into the 80s. Some of the guys continued solid play (Stallworth, Webster) but many fell off. And other great vets who were replaced had unworthy successors. Miamis running game was not good but one with Frank Pollard and Walter Abercrombie would have been scarcely better.

Plus the defense was a sieve through much of the 80s, for much the same reasons. Hacks like Gary Dun, Steve Furness, John Banaszack and Tom Beasley manned the DL ridiculously too long. Lambert was a shadow of himself but went on until finally a foot injury did him in. Blount and Shell and Dwayne Woodruff were well past their prime but had no successors.

The QBs stunk in the 80s but were hardly the only problem. Miami had far better teams that decades around Dan.

And the Pgh media, led by assho1es Bob Smizik and Bruce Keidan, would have crucified any bad game, heck, bad throw, Marino made. It was these dicks who made up the drug rumors about Marino in the first place, remember. Imagine their vitriol had the Steelers still taken Dan despite their cautions. There would have been massive negativity over the team. You just knew that if Dan put up 400 yards and 4 td passes yet the Steeler D gave up 45 points, Smizik would blame Marino.

It wouldn’t have gone very well IMO
I'm not so sure they were made up. Usually, there's a reason there are rumors in the first place. I say this because I was briefly with a New Jersey JC baseball team and there was a player who was either on the pitt team back in the 80 or in another sport at pitt. He told us about the drug use. So, take it for what it's worth. I don't remember who the guy was but he told the story like he knew and not just spreading rumors himself.
 
So to recap, Chuck Noll didn't know enough about football to figure out something that is so obvious to you.
He was too set in his ways, 1970s attrition football to go all in with a wide open pass first attack, I can't see it. even Cowher or Tomlin have never fully committed to pass happy, even with Ben's skills available to them.
 
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