Acc basketball Ranking
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Boom what? I’m really not sure what you’re implying here. I know what @Gary77 means. Anyone who dares say something negative even once is labeled a troll and nitter.
Big leap forward this season. Team will get points from Coulicaly and Hughley. Three solid guards. Justin a star in the making.
Talent level at it highest level in years.
Is that what one calls a large dog from Ireland?
Typo. Should have been Irish Wolfhound.
Don't wish to quibble with your assertion about the talent level. Don't really disagree in fact.
Some questions ... Jeffress and Big John are indeed true talents ... but how much will come as fast as we might want in the coming year. (And I think I may have higher expectations for Femi than even you do.)
I'm still not as high an AKC for the coming year as you might be. I expect a little more, but not much more. But this much I will say ... we should certainly get more production out of Brown/Huhgley/AKC and the five this coming year as we did from Brown/Hamilton/AKC last year.
Here's a little concern of mine (just hunch kind of stuff) ... what if Justin slips back a little bit? He was REALLY good at times last year. No doubt it was an impressive Frosh Campaign for him. But so was X as a freshman, and I think it's fair to say he slipped a little as a soph.
Nonetheless ... the biggest question for me is how well our talent (regardless of how much better it may be) will work together.
I surely want the big leap forward. But I'll just have to say that I'll believe it when I see it.
For now ... I'm projecting 9-2 OOC, 8-12 ACC -- 17-14 overall
Xavier Johnson interior dunks, layups, and rimshots
Made
2019- 99 total made
2020-62 total made
Attempts
2019-191 total attempts
2020-116 total attempts
Interior conversion
2019-51.8%
2020-53.4%
This shows you why his shooting percentage on the season took such a big hit. Johnson had 75 less attempts essentially making a layup in 2020. We faced constant sagging defensive zone pressure and Johnson was forced to beat the opposing team from the midrange and the outside a far greater percentage of the time because we didnt have Wilson Frame's 3 point shooting to open the lanes or any consistent 3 point firepower for that matter.
Johnson also attempted 67 less free throws year over year since the opposing team forced him out of the paint to become a jump shooter. Without driving more he wasn't drawing interior fouls as much or getting to the line nearly as much.
The likelihood that this happens to Justin is small. The one thing working against Justin, if you want to call it that, was that Trey Mcgowens had really good chemistry with him as a huge chunk of Trey's total assists went to Justin. Someone else will need to pick up the slack here to get Justin the clean looks like Trey did.
I think besides X, Femi and Big John will fill that gap rather easily with their passing ability. Overall, I think our team passing as a complete team unit will be vastly superior year over year and I am saying that with a very high level of confidence among other questions on the team such as team rebounding.
Still think year behind than originally thought. Small uptick this year maybe 9-11. Big leap next year.
That result, which I agree with 100%, as well as that we should restrain our optimism until we see how early our incoming freshman begin to really contribute---would have us around #10 regular ACC season. That result (8-12 ACC), based on last season's final standings, falls between #9 Clemson's 9-11 and #10 Miami's 7-13:
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/standings/_/group/2
If ESPN's prediction would prove accurate, instead (Ugh!) and we wound up #13 we would likely only just duplicate last season's W-L results with probably only 6 ACC regular season wins.
If you break the ACC down into tiers, let's say 3 of them - 5,5 and 6, I'd like to believe Pitt could be one of the better teams in Tier 3. So around 11-12 or so. Might really need a major jump in ACC wins, wish they didn't go to a 20 game conference schedule, but it's what we got. Pitt needs to close games and come out of the gates A LOT better and they might've had 3-4 extra wins this season. Ville, WF, Miami...
Georgia Tech returns a starting backcourt that averaged 16 and 14.4 PPG last year. Sturdivant should be a solid option off the bench as a highly rated Georgia kid who never fit on the west coast. Their best big is back in Moses Wright who averaged 13/7. They added transfer big Rodney Howard who is long and has a lot of potential. They have a lot of versatile pieces returning and added a few to a team that went 11-9 in the ACC last year. Anything short of an ncaa bid and Pastner is gone. They have a pretty solid shot to be good.
Of course, the standings will be different—not sure how much it will matter.
Hopefully we will inch up to 9-11 and 10/11th place will be in the bag!
"As you said, it was hard to watch our inability to execute last year." However
it was no surprise as to why. When Murph got hurt we became a completely
different team. We had X and Trey as guards. If one or both went off kilter as
they both were inclined to do, there was no player to help out except for a
walk on who got injured and Drumgoole who gave us nothing. Prior to
his injury we were winning more. Murph although not great, was effective
and gave us something off the bench. He also was a 3pt threat. When he
came back, he wasn't ready and we essentially were again playing with
two guards. IMO our season turned on that injury. Just look at our win/loss
record before and after that injury.
I know, broken record, but seriously you just can't play a season
of 30 plus games with three guards.
I usually try to stay away from predictions until I get to see with my
own eyes what we actually have on the floor. I like our depth, but
once again....I try and stay away from how the newbies are going to
adjust to college ball, and how the transfers adjust to an upward change.
With all that said, your prediction and the reasons why ...make a lot of
sense.
"8-12" ACC wins.....Optimistic, but not unreasonable especially if Sibande
is eligible.
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Very optimistic, I hope you're right!
The "three guards" you mentioned.....does it include Sibande? Are
your "three" X, Horton, and Femi?
I think with a over all better talented team if things fall right I'm looking for us to go 10-10 in the ACC give or take a win or so and a 20 win season! I know that's a little ambitious but I just think the overall team won't fall apart at the end like the last two years. IMHO
We can not compare JC first two teams to this one . First off he now has 2 jrs who’ve been starters from day one plus a Sr in TB . He has a full roster full of much more talented players making practice and pt much more competitive . He has in Horton a guy who can change the game and the spacing on the court making X far more dangerous. I believe the freshman class will play a much more prominent role than most think . I also believe Justin C will improve over his freshman yr . Saying all that who cares what some writer thinks , better off under appreciated and sneak up on people .
https://collegehoopstoday.com/index.php/rothstein-files/acc-offseason-breakdown/
Rothstein has us at 12.
Rothstein has us at 12.
Maybe where you lived but not where I’m from.. perhaps it’s yours which has been revised.
assuming ur older.. the older ones always think they had it tougher.. it’s called jealousy
Considerably younger actually. Anyone who says Gen X didn’t receive participation trophies is being disingenuous.
I don't remember ever getting a participation trophy.
But if i did im sure i thought it was stupid.
It's an insult
We absolutely did not. Never heard of it in any sport until about 10 years later
You didn’t play instructional league baseball ?
hell even in middle and high school they’d give up to 6th place ribbons in track and field events at invitationals
nobody is saying every sport all the time- which is not how things are now
But it’s delusional to pretend it’s a new phenomenon
I am 40. Some years in youth sports our coach or a parent would buy us all trophies. Some years they did not. I don't think it's a new thing. Maybe a little more widespread, maybe not, but who cares? Why do you want to put local trophy stores out of business?
Umm, never did and pretty sure you’ll tell me I did, but you have nfc.. I didn’t live in a very liberal area so I’ll have to take your word for it if it happened where you grew up..
He must have written the article a while back. There is no mention of Nike Sibande's addition--not that it should matter much to the rating.
Rothstein's assumption is that we will play pretty small again with only one big on the floor most of the time and that it will be Brown. He sees our starting/main/best lineup as being Johnson (6-3), Horton (6-3), Toney (6-6), Champagnie (6-6) and Brown (6-10). The problem with that lineup, IMHO, is (except for Horton) that it is a weak outside shooting group with its sole bigman only of marginal ACC caliber. To be effective/successful with using a 1-in 4-out lineup, IMHO, you need a high quality post player and multiple outside guys who shoot the 3-ball well. That lineup doesn't meet the criteria.
So, IMO, if that is the lineup getting the most PT well into ACC play I would have to agree with #12 being about right.
On the other hand, if by well into the ACC schedule we have morphed into our primary lineup being one employing two bigs simultaneously with Brown having become a sub rather than the main guy and with someone besides Horton hitting the 3-ball well, then we can and should finish better than #12. That will mostly depend, I expect, on how quickly our freshmen, particularly Hugley, develop into ACC-level players.
Entirely possible. I just know from going through my mom's hoard of crap from her sons' childhoods that my brother had an awful lot of non-first place sports memorabilia.
And people try to pin everything - especially participation trophies and political correctness - on millennials but that stuff was around before us!
I'm 50, and it was not around in the 70's and 80's wherever I played. Hoops, baseball, or football. Any other sports I have no idea.
i swam for 8 years, played football, baseball and golf for 10 years. never got a thanks for coming award in the 80's EVER
Coached kids rec-league youth soccer and basketball in the mid 90's into the early 2000's in the DC suburbs. Sadly, participation trophys were the standard thing and anyone who showed up was guaranteed to be on a team and get at least some minimal PT.
That was a far different world from when I was cut from Little League entirely as a kid in the NYC area in the 1950s due to poor fielding skills. Today, in the DC suburbs at least, Little League would make sure there were enough teams to accommodate all kids who wanted to play, no matter how unskilled.
Personally, I have no problem with letting everyone who wants to participate at rec-League level be allowed to play. However, I strongly dislike the awarding of trophys only based on participation. With that process, kids never learn that life can be unfair and that they need to learn to emotionally cope with the unfairness and recognize their personal limitations and, to the degree possible, work to overcome those limitations.
That was a far different world from when I was cut from Little League entirely as a kid in the NYC area in the 1950s due to poor fielding skills. Today, in the DC suburbs at least, Little League would make sure there were enough teams to accommodate all kids who wanted to play, no matter how unskilled.
Personally, I have no problem with letting everyone who wants to participate at rec-League level be allowed to play. However, I strongly dislike the awarding of trophys only based on participation. With that process, kids never learn that life can be unfair and that they need to learn to emotionally cope with the unfairness and recognize their personal limitations and, to the degree possible, work to overcome those limitations.
But at the same time, do we really need to be teaching 8 year olds hard life lessons? How do we balance trying to encourage kids to be active and take an interest in sports or music or whatever hobby you want if we also need to crush their spirits to teach them "life lessons?"
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