Pitt invited to the ACC clearly the Right Choice!
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Pitt invited to the ACC clearly the Right Choice!
Congratulations Clemson 2016 Football National Champions!
Congratulation North Carolina 2017 Basketball National Champions!
Salute From ACC Pitt Panthers Proud To Be Part of The ACC!
Pitt invited to the ACC clearly the Right Choice!
Congratulations Clemson 2016 Football National Champions!
Congratulation North Carolina 2017 Basketball National Champions!
Salute From ACC Pitt Panthers Proud To Be Part of The ACC!
Go ACC !
And how does this help Pitt? UNC is UNC. Clemson is Clemson. This isn't the Big East where the Big East had to fight for every scrap of relevance. I am more concerned on how Pitt can be helped, Carolina winning the BB title does nothing towards this.
I'm a pitt fan could care less about the ACC. I'd say the money is great but all I hear about is how bad pittis doing on the financial side no matter how much they get. College athletics and higher education as a whole, never has enough money no matter how much they get it's never enough
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I would say a good ACC will help Pitt more than the AAC or Big East ever could. With all of the talk about expansion and conferences Imploding, ACC winning both football and basketball titles would make the ACC stronger than say the Big 12 for example. The B1G, PAC, and SEC aren't going anywhere. When the expansion talks happen people always point to the ACC and B12 as being the conferences to poach teams or even disappear. A strong ACC makes that a less chance of happening. No team wants to be in a conference that is not stable.
Acc will absolutely not help us more than the big east did, not even close. Football ok but on hoops side, no chance.
But hey, great for North Carolina.
Sweet for UNC and Clemson anyway.
Its ok that UNC won ... but kind of like basking in the Cubs success because the Pirates are in the same division. That's about where the similarities end.
Put it this way, I wouldn't celebrate the Ravens winning the super bowl.
At least we did beat Clemson which was cool.
I assume also that UNC gets a bit of cash and the conference mates get a cut. Yay...
Its ok that UNC won ... but kind of like basking in the Cubs success because the Pirates are in the same division. That's about where the similarities end.
Put it this way, I wouldn't celebrate the Ravens winning the super bowl.
At least we did beat Clemson which was cool.
I assume also that UNC gets a bit of cash and the conference mates get a cut. Yay...
the only thing good about it, is that the shared revenue is greater, the further a conference team goes into the tourney. some kind of "credit" breakdown with each game a conference team plays in the tourney. Yes it's shared and broken out over a 1/2 decade but still, every little bit helps I guess..
Weird that pitt fans would take any sort of bragging rights out of this though. that's a reach to say the least.. It would be like a seton hall fan boasting about villanova's win last year, you'd pretty much laugh at the guy..
True, but football AND basketball pay the bills so you want both of them to be good and that can no longer happen in the Big East and is harder to do in the AAC than it is the ACC.
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Completely different landscape. The Steelers draft does not depend on what anyone in the AFC North does.
Better college recruits do not want to play in a weaker conference. In basketball there is a better chance to win in one of the smaller conference, not so in football. So you if you want to be good in football and basketball it is better to be in the ACC, and you want the ACC to be good in both.
Pitt seems to have an identity crises, are we a football school or a basketball school? I love football, so I would rather Pitt be a football school. Though I don't like basketball, when Pitt was good I did see a few games and it was fun. I can see the value in both, but for my taste I like football.
Better college recruits do not want to play in a weaker conference. In basketball there is a better chance to win in one of the smaller conference, not so in football. So you if you want to be good in football and basketball it is better to be in the ACC, and you want the ACC to be good in both.
Pitt seems to have an identity crises, are we a football school or a basketball school? I love football, so I would rather Pitt be a football school. Though I don't like basketball, when Pitt was good I did see a few games and it was fun. I can see the value in both, but for my taste I like football.
yep, the money thing is legit, cant leave that out. Just in regards to pitt and ACC, it's just been an absolute nightmare transition. Call it bad luck or timing but big east hoops was fantastic, dating back to its inception and the acc, for pitt anyways, has just been an endless bad dream..
As a fan too, really tough to try and root for any of these teams.. I don't really hate any of them, moreso just don't care.. and I really followed big east teams too, I had passionate feelings, good and bad, about gtown, cuse, nova, UConn, etc.. I mean even those st. johns teams in mid 80's, seton hall - carlisomo (sp?) teams in late 80's, Marquette had a small but good run about 7-8 years ago.. Just nothing with these teams now. I mean, you can love/hate duke and unc but the rest, I mean Virginia basketball, yeah they are good but do you care either way? Louisville too, they have some personality I guess but wake forest? va tech hoops? ga tech or nc state basketball? they could literally cease to exist and it wouldn't even be worthy of posting about.
I'm just thankful, Pitt football is in the opposite conference than FSU and Clemson. At this point in time they rule it. That was good luck for Pitt.
I admit, I don't know a lot about it but I just can't believe that Pitt can't be good in basketball. I was a wreslter so don't know much about BB.
I know what you mean, I really don't care one way or the other what the other ACC teams do. I just think it helps Pitt if the conference is good, but I'm not going to crow about another ACC team winning a title. Though it was nice to see a team Pitt beat win the title in football.
I admit, I don't know a lot about it but I just can't believe that Pitt can't be good in basketball. I was a wreslter so don't know much about BB.
I know what you mean, I really don't care one way or the other what the other ACC teams do. I just think it helps Pitt if the conference is good, but I'm not going to crow about another ACC team winning a title. Though it was nice to see a team Pitt beat win the title in football.
yeah, we lucked out there. a football team like Louisville has to be looking at the coastal and thinking "what if" with the ability to win this division most years..
Regarding hoops, we all like to point out our challenges, local recruiting being bad but we are still in the best hoops conference, we still do play in a nice facility, we still do have a pretty good school in a cool city. I mean, we dwell on the challenges with bringing in players but there are some positives too. we do have some nice things to sell too..
Definitely interesting what ifs... when the ACC expansion was happening.
Spinning off the football stadium as we had done would have allowed Pitt to drop football, eliminate a significant cost, and stay with the Big East and focus on remaining great and nationally prominent in men's basketball (as we still were at the time).
But we went the other way, and while football is staying afloat, perhaps improving a small bit (which is not guaranteed to continue by any means), basketball (for which we have a big arena taking up valuable real estate and up keep) has definitely collapsed (both men and women).
I don't think this is due to the ACC; its the b premiere conference and should have still kept us an attractive program. I think the whole NYC thing is overblown. We should still have been able to get talent there and elsewhere. And the "style of play" excuses are bunk too. I think it is due to internal incompetence (suggesting the same drop could easily of happened if remaining in the BE) . But either way the results are definitely unavoidable and make you wonder what if ...
Spinning off the football stadium as we had done would have allowed Pitt to drop football, eliminate a significant cost, and stay with the Big East and focus on remaining great and nationally prominent in men's basketball (as we still were at the time).
But we went the other way, and while football is staying afloat, perhaps improving a small bit (which is not guaranteed to continue by any means), basketball (for which we have a big arena taking up valuable real estate and up keep) has definitely collapsed (both men and women).
I don't think this is due to the ACC; its the b premiere conference and should have still kept us an attractive program. I think the whole NYC thing is overblown. We should still have been able to get talent there and elsewhere. And the "style of play" excuses are bunk too. I think it is due to internal incompetence (suggesting the same drop could easily of happened if remaining in the BE) . But either way the results are definitely unavoidable and make you wonder what if ...
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If we could only get an AD who can help Pitt compete in this great Conference.
Former AD Barnes.
Killer B.
HAIL TO PITT!!!!
Former AD Barnes.
Killer B.
HAIL TO PITT!!!!
"recruitsreadtheseboards, post: 1862494, member: 2328"]And how does this help Pitt?
Well, tell the Lair how it hurts Pitt???? We can't wait for it, if you can?
UNC is UNC.
Yeah, and Pitt had a chance to beat them and beating a NCS is not bad is it? Would prefer some other Teams come to play at Pitt or ULou, Cuse, Duke, and UNC 4 of Top Ten AP Basketball Programs of All Time and tell us what Teams you want replace by what Teams you want to see?
Clemson is Clemson.
Again, tell us, how beating Clemson did not help Pitt Nationally, the only Team do it? Show all of us your wisdom on that one by showing us your answers instead of asking a question with a question? Or to feel the opportunity to play and beat a National Champion does not help Pitt Football???? Really, go tell Coach PN you want Pitt to give back the win!
This isn't the Big East where the Big East had to fight for every scrap of relevance.
Agree, it is not the Big East and the Big East doesn't exist in Football or can you prove otherwise? Pitt is the ACC known to be the Best Conference in BB in 2016-17 and FB in 2016 and in AP All Time 4 of Top 10 BB Programs! Care to dispute it?
I am more concerned on how Pitt can be helped,
No you are not by your own illogical arguments, ACC provides Budgetary Stability to Pitt but you just said Big East Basketball Conference is better? I Disagree, playing NCS Teams in the ACC is a better way for Pitt to succeed and if you think otherwise well, that is your flawed thinking! How can not playing National Champions and beating them hurts Pitt is the question you should answer!
Carolina winning the BB title does nothing towards this.
Neither does your posting, logic, or comments does it?
Well, tell the Lair how it hurts Pitt???? We can't wait for it, if you can?
UNC is UNC.
Yeah, and Pitt had a chance to beat them and beating a NCS is not bad is it? Would prefer some other Teams come to play at Pitt or ULou, Cuse, Duke, and UNC 4 of Top Ten AP Basketball Programs of All Time and tell us what Teams you want replace by what Teams you want to see?
Clemson is Clemson.
Again, tell us, how beating Clemson did not help Pitt Nationally, the only Team do it? Show all of us your wisdom on that one by showing us your answers instead of asking a question with a question? Or to feel the opportunity to play and beat a National Champion does not help Pitt Football???? Really, go tell Coach PN you want Pitt to give back the win!
This isn't the Big East where the Big East had to fight for every scrap of relevance.
Agree, it is not the Big East and the Big East doesn't exist in Football or can you prove otherwise? Pitt is the ACC known to be the Best Conference in BB in 2016-17 and FB in 2016 and in AP All Time 4 of Top 10 BB Programs! Care to dispute it?
I am more concerned on how Pitt can be helped,
No you are not by your own illogical arguments, ACC provides Budgetary Stability to Pitt but you just said Big East Basketball Conference is better? I Disagree, playing NCS Teams in the ACC is a better way for Pitt to succeed and if you think otherwise well, that is your flawed thinking! How can not playing National Champions and beating them hurts Pitt is the question you should answer!
Carolina winning the BB title does nothing towards this.
Neither does your posting, logic, or comments does it?
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I'm a pitt fan could care less about the ACC.
Good what Conference do you want Pitt to be in, and tell all of us why?
I'd say the money is great but all I hear about is how bad pittis doing on the financial side no matter how much they get.
So, what are you crying about since 2013 when Pitt was invited to the ACC tell all of us how Rutgers is doing in the Big Ten, or Iowa State in Big-12, or Cal in Pac-12, or Missouri in SEC? You sound like a Penn State Cult Dolt Poster that hates the Big Ten?
College athletics and higher education as a whole, never has enough money no matter how much they get it's never enough.
Well, why you post on FB or BB is a question only you can answer maybe? I am glad Pitt is in the ACC where the opportunity to play, win, or lose against two National Champions is better than playing Division III! But you can disagree and complain anyway!
I'm a pitt fan could care less about the ACC.
Good what Conference do you want Pitt to be in, and tell all of us why?
I'd say the money is great but all I hear about is how bad pittis doing on the financial side no matter how much they get.
So, what are you crying about since 2013 when Pitt was invited to the ACC tell all of us how Rutgers is doing in the Big Ten, or Iowa State in Big-12, or Cal in Pac-12, or Missouri in SEC? You sound like a Penn State Cult Dolt Poster that hates the Big Ten?
College athletics and higher education as a whole, never has enough money no matter how much they get it's never enough.
Well, why you post on FB or BB is a question only you can answer maybe? I am glad Pitt is in the ACC where the opportunity to play, win, or lose against two National Champions is better than playing Division III! But you can disagree and complain anyway!
Isn't it funny that the same people who say that the ACC (success) doesn't help Pitt are the same ones that said how great the SEC is (in football) largely on Alabama's success.
Of course a strong conference helps and anybody that it doesn't thunj so needs to rethink things. Look at big10 football and ACC basketball (tournament invites,). Nothing to do with conference right ?
I'm a big Pitt fan and glad to see any of Pitt's teams as well as conference members have success (except Notre dame)
And if two ACC teams winning national championships doesn't help Pitt then why was everybody so happy we left the Big East. I mean many just said a strong conference (with champions) doesn't make a difference right?
Its called hypocrisy people. And Pitt fans love and live it.
Of course a strong conference helps and anybody that it doesn't thunj so needs to rethink things. Look at big10 football and ACC basketball (tournament invites,). Nothing to do with conference right ?
I'm a big Pitt fan and glad to see any of Pitt's teams as well as conference members have success (except Notre dame)
And if two ACC teams winning national championships doesn't help Pitt then why was everybody so happy we left the Big East. I mean many just said a strong conference (with champions) doesn't make a difference right?
Its called hypocrisy people. And Pitt fans love and live it.
[QUOTE="CaptainSidneyReilly, post: 1862786, member: 2434"And how does this help Pitt?
Well, tell the Lair how it hurts Pitt???? We can't wait for it, if you can?
I didn't say it would hurt Pitt. So that is a false equivalency. You are better than that. Come on. I just said it doesn't help Pitt. The move to the ACC itself helped Pitt football (not sure about hoops) by giving us a stable home and revenue. But having the Nat Champs here helps us no more than Ohio State winning or Michigan winning helps Indiana or Alabama winning helps Vanderbilt.
UNC is UNC.
Yeah, and Pitt had a chance to beat them and beating a NCS is not bad is it? Would prefer some other Teams come to play at Pitt or ULou, Cuse, Duke, and UNC 4 of Top Ten AP Basketball Programs of All Time and tell us what Teams you want replace by what Teams you want to see?
You missed the point. UNC is UNC with the ACC or without. They are one of the bluest of blue bloods. Has nothing to do with conference affiliation. And again, you go off on a tangent like I am anti ACC. How did you read that out of my post? I am just focusing on Pitt, and the fact that the National Champs in the same conference doesn't get us any better recruits, don't make our players better. You can say they would get us better recruits but the current facts beg ti differ.
Clemson is Clemson.
Again, tell us, how beating Clemson did not help Pitt Nationally, the only Team do it? Show all of us your wisdom on that one by showing us your answers instead of asking a question with a question? Or to feel the opportunity to play and beat a National Champion does not help Pitt Football???? Really, go tell Coach PN you want Pitt to give back the win!
Easy, What was attendance like at the very next Pitt game? Where is that top 20 recruiting class? You tell me. Sure, it was a great win, but you have to capitalize on that. And again, the fans, the locals could care less because there was a half empty stadium the very next game at Heinz, no different than if we beat say Tulsa. SO again, nice win...but on the grand scheme of things....the program was not advanced. We didn't win 10 games, we didn't finish ranked in the top 25, we didn't clean up in recruiting, we didn't draw any more fans. I hate to be the dose of reality...but it didn't move the needle. What moves the needle if you beat Clemson in a season when you win 10 games, you get ranked, you get a good bowl, etc...
This isn't the Big East where the Big East had to fight for every scrap of relevance.
Agree, it is not the Big East and the Big East doesn't exist in Football or can you prove otherwise? Pitt is the ACC known to be the Best Conference in BB in 2016-17 and FB in 2016 and in AP All Time 4 of Top 10 BB Programs! Care to dispute it? Wow. Again, nothing in your response has anything to do with my points. I just said the Big East in football was bashed daily, raided by other conferences, kicked, trying to still our bid at the time. So banding together, rooting for each other was necessary. And in basketball, they hated these little Catholic and urban northeastern schools kicking ass and dominating, so there was hate on us by the SEC, Big 10, ACC, etc... Yes, the ACC move was best for us. But when we were in the Big East, the conference "brothers" thing was more meaningful.
I am more concerned on how Pitt can be helped,
No you are not by your own illogical arguments, ACC provides Budgetary Stability to Pitt but you just said Big East Basketball Conference is better? I Disagree, playing NCS Teams in the ACC is a better way for Pitt to succeed and if you think otherwise well, that is your flawed thinking! How can not playing National Champions and beating them hurts Pitt is the question you should answer!
I think I defended my points with the utmost of logic. YOU are the one who is confused. I never, ever said the ACC and having member teams hurt Pitt. I just said they don't help Pitt. Pitt has to help Pitt. Pitt is the only team who can help Pitt. Do you not get this?
Carolina winning the BB title does nothing towards this.
Neither does your posting, logic, or comments does it? Sorry counselor, I think I defended my position and I don't think you proved anything, because you are assigning context to my comments that have nothing to do with what I posted. Therefore the logic problem is on your end. Like I said, you are better than this. Step back, take a breath and reread my post. Didn't blast the ACC, didn't say it hurt, didn't say the champs hurt us....just they don't help us. Pitt has to help itself. N'est ce pas? [/QUOTE]
Well, tell the Lair how it hurts Pitt???? We can't wait for it, if you can?
I didn't say it would hurt Pitt. So that is a false equivalency. You are better than that. Come on. I just said it doesn't help Pitt. The move to the ACC itself helped Pitt football (not sure about hoops) by giving us a stable home and revenue. But having the Nat Champs here helps us no more than Ohio State winning or Michigan winning helps Indiana or Alabama winning helps Vanderbilt.
UNC is UNC.
Yeah, and Pitt had a chance to beat them and beating a NCS is not bad is it? Would prefer some other Teams come to play at Pitt or ULou, Cuse, Duke, and UNC 4 of Top Ten AP Basketball Programs of All Time and tell us what Teams you want replace by what Teams you want to see?
You missed the point. UNC is UNC with the ACC or without. They are one of the bluest of blue bloods. Has nothing to do with conference affiliation. And again, you go off on a tangent like I am anti ACC. How did you read that out of my post? I am just focusing on Pitt, and the fact that the National Champs in the same conference doesn't get us any better recruits, don't make our players better. You can say they would get us better recruits but the current facts beg ti differ.
Clemson is Clemson.
Again, tell us, how beating Clemson did not help Pitt Nationally, the only Team do it? Show all of us your wisdom on that one by showing us your answers instead of asking a question with a question? Or to feel the opportunity to play and beat a National Champion does not help Pitt Football???? Really, go tell Coach PN you want Pitt to give back the win!
Easy, What was attendance like at the very next Pitt game? Where is that top 20 recruiting class? You tell me. Sure, it was a great win, but you have to capitalize on that. And again, the fans, the locals could care less because there was a half empty stadium the very next game at Heinz, no different than if we beat say Tulsa. SO again, nice win...but on the grand scheme of things....the program was not advanced. We didn't win 10 games, we didn't finish ranked in the top 25, we didn't clean up in recruiting, we didn't draw any more fans. I hate to be the dose of reality...but it didn't move the needle. What moves the needle if you beat Clemson in a season when you win 10 games, you get ranked, you get a good bowl, etc...
This isn't the Big East where the Big East had to fight for every scrap of relevance.
Agree, it is not the Big East and the Big East doesn't exist in Football or can you prove otherwise? Pitt is the ACC known to be the Best Conference in BB in 2016-17 and FB in 2016 and in AP All Time 4 of Top 10 BB Programs! Care to dispute it? Wow. Again, nothing in your response has anything to do with my points. I just said the Big East in football was bashed daily, raided by other conferences, kicked, trying to still our bid at the time. So banding together, rooting for each other was necessary. And in basketball, they hated these little Catholic and urban northeastern schools kicking ass and dominating, so there was hate on us by the SEC, Big 10, ACC, etc... Yes, the ACC move was best for us. But when we were in the Big East, the conference "brothers" thing was more meaningful.
I am more concerned on how Pitt can be helped,
No you are not by your own illogical arguments, ACC provides Budgetary Stability to Pitt but you just said Big East Basketball Conference is better? I Disagree, playing NCS Teams in the ACC is a better way for Pitt to succeed and if you think otherwise well, that is your flawed thinking! How can not playing National Champions and beating them hurts Pitt is the question you should answer!
I think I defended my points with the utmost of logic. YOU are the one who is confused. I never, ever said the ACC and having member teams hurt Pitt. I just said they don't help Pitt. Pitt has to help Pitt. Pitt is the only team who can help Pitt. Do you not get this?
Carolina winning the BB title does nothing towards this.
Neither does your posting, logic, or comments does it? Sorry counselor, I think I defended my position and I don't think you proved anything, because you are assigning context to my comments that have nothing to do with what I posted. Therefore the logic problem is on your end. Like I said, you are better than this. Step back, take a breath and reread my post. Didn't blast the ACC, didn't say it hurt, didn't say the champs hurt us....just they don't help us. Pitt has to help itself. N'est ce pas? [/QUOTE]
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Reread my response to Captain. You guys aren't getting it. It is not, we are not blaming or demeaning the ACC for anything. We are happy to be there. Just the very elite at their sports in the conferences winning a Championship has little effect. Sure, you can say "a rising tide raises all ships" but this is not true. There is a zero sum game here. The best teams get the best players. BC certainly hasn't been helped by any of this, have they? These wins don't happen in a vacuum that sucks all members up. It occurs in their own atmosphere.
Pitt invited to the ACC clearly the Right Choice!
Congratulations Clemson 2016 Football National Champions!
Congratulation North Carolina 2017 Basketball National Champions!
Salute From ACC Pitt Panthers Proud To Be Part of The ACC!
Can't wait for Bill Walton to proclaim ACC the "Conference of Champions".
It certainly doesn't hurt Pitt. Not sure how much it helps. Like I said, Pitt can help itself moreso than anyone else.
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="CaptainSidneyReilly, post: 1862786, member: 2434"And how does this help Pitt?
Well, tell the Lair how it hurts Pitt???? We can't wait for it, if you can?
I didn't say it would hurt Pitt. So that is a false equivalency.
I'll accept that but clearly it does not hurt Pitt in anyway and actually helps Pitt!
You are better than that. Come on.
So are you why I responded because i respect your views!
I just said it doesn't help Pitt.
I disagree, the ACC put in the most Teams in the Tournament and psrt of the Income per team per Game is shared in part by ACC teams, Pitt is one of them, so more money fro ACC is more for Pitt too! Thus, it helped Pitt in my view!
The move to the ACC itself helped Pitt football (not sure about hoops) by giving us a stable home and revenue.
So we agree, being invited and cheering for ACc Teams in BB Tourney and TV Money does help Pitt! I also agree Pitt has a tougher challenge to win the ACC against such Historic BB programs known to play in more Final Fours and win NCS!
But having the Nat Champs here helps us no more than Ohio State winning or Michigan winning helps Indiana or Alabama winning helps Vanderbilt.
I disagree, The ACC a few years ago won every Post Season FB Award and Aaron Donald helped Pitt and ACC by contributing to it. Conner was helped too as ACC Player of the Years. Whitehead and Ollison as Freshmen of the Year! Henderson as Unanimous Consensus All Americans and Biz and Johnson as Consensus All Americans help Pitt too. FSU and Clemson Winning NCS help the ACC gain fame and Pitt winning or losing help Pitt too when playing them. If others think OSU, Indiana, Bama or Michigan do not help Pitt, I agree. But ACC Team do and Pitt is part of it!
UNC is UNC.
Yeah, and Pitt had a chance to beat them and beating a NCS is not bad is it? Would prefer some other Teams come to play at Pitt or ULou, Cuse, Duke, and UNC 4 of Top Ten AP Basketball Programs of All Time and tell us what Teams you want replace by what Teams you want to see?
You missed the point. UNC is UNC with the ACC or without.
Nope, you don't have a point, UNC is in the ACC and founding Member and those facts not conjecture. ACC winning 5 games in the NCAA Tourney made more money to help all ACC Teams too, that help ACC & Pitt too. None of UNC NCAA Money went to Big Ten, Big-12, P-12 or SEC.
They are one of the bluest of blue bloods. Has nothing to do with conference affiliation.
Once again, as a Member of the ACC and playing ACC Teams during and in Post-Season is a direct contribution to ACC Revenues and Promotions!
And again, you go off on a tangent like I am anti ACC.
Nope again, you went there, i put you back on track! The Logos own and put up by the ACC include UNC and Other ACC Teams plus Pitt together refute you not me.
How did you read that out of my post?
Well, write to the ACC and tell them in your own words to don't see UNC as part of the ACC and quit spending Money on Logos that include all ACC Schools? Those are your words above are they not?
I am just focusing on Pitt,
Not really, you contradicted yourself above when you said Pitt has benefited by being in the ACC, did you not? If Pitt is in the ACC and so is UNC and both advertise as such and share in Revenues is Pitt, UNC & ACC Focus too and why they call it a Conference!
and the fact that the National Champs in the same conference doesn't get us any better recruits, don't make our players better.
Really, you don't think Pitt Players and Coaches being proud they were the only team that Beat the ACC Atlantic Champions, Big Ten Champions and National Champions are wrong to point it out. Tell us all again, how not Beating Clemson help Pitt or is that a False Equivalency? I respectfully disagree.
WVU did not beat one Big-12 Rank Team and they rag about going 10-3, and being ranked, if it OK with their fans, i say Pitt fans can be just as proud as beating #1 & #7 Teams in 2016! Pitt Beating Clemson at Clemson was the talk of the Nation too all that week, i call that good for Pitt!
You can say they would get us better recruits but the current facts beg ti differ.
Well, you are mistaken on Facts again, PItt has more CFB Post-Season Awards, Hall of Fames, CFB Conference and NFL Conference Players of the Years in CFB History and in this past Decade in ACC and Big East than PSU & WVU, and you can't refute it!
Clemson is Clemson.
Again, tell us, how beating Clemson did not help Pitt Nationally, the only Team do it? Show all of us your wisdom on that one by showing us your answers instead of asking a question with a question? Or to feel the opportunity to play and beat a National Champion does not help Pitt Football???? Really, go tell Coach PN you want Pitt to give back the win!
Easy, What was attendance like at the very next Pitt game?
1. Easy rebuttal....Pitt beat Clemson at Clemson known as Death Valley and sold out and won by one point, when did Attendance start winning games?
2. Easier Rebuttal...Did Clemson beating Ohio State and Alabama with less fans cause them lose the games that won? You are using Nittany Liar Logic now are you not?
3. Easiest Rebutal....Do you think Pitt losing to Clemson would help Attendance?
Where is that top 20 recruiting class? You tell me.
At CBS247 Sports, on Rivals, ESPN Top 40 Insider, and CFN Scout!
Sure, it was a great win, but you have to capitalize on that.
Well, did Henderson make Unanimous All American and help beat Clemson? Did Biz 7 Johnson Consensus All American help beat Clemson? It begins by Winning, Budgets, Staffing, and Coaching more than just recruiting? Clemson never had the #1 Class but they beat OSu 31-0 and bame by a few without out Recruiting them, and Pitt beat Clemson and Penn State that beat OSU too?
And again, the fans, the locals could care less because there was a half empty stadium the very next game at Heinz, no different than if we beat say Tulsa.
And again, that does not take away one Iota of Value of Pitt Coaches & Players those are just your words of discontent that undermines the Pitt Players in doing their Best regardless what Local's think like you? Still Coach Pat & Staff don't talk that way either.
SO again, nice win...but on the grand scheme of things....the program was not advanced.
Well, I think beating Two Top Ten Ranked Teams did advance Pitt Football that is just an opinion. Losing would not have helped. Not being in the ACC either!
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="CaptainSidneyReilly, post: 1862786, member: 2434"And how does this help Pitt?
Well, tell the Lair how it hurts Pitt???? We can't wait for it, if you can?
I didn't say it would hurt Pitt. So that is a false equivalency.
I'll accept that but clearly it does not hurt Pitt in anyway and actually helps Pitt!
You are better than that. Come on.
So are you why I responded because i respect your views!
I just said it doesn't help Pitt.
I disagree, the ACC put in the most Teams in the Tournament and psrt of the Income per team per Game is shared in part by ACC teams, Pitt is one of them, so more money fro ACC is more for Pitt too! Thus, it helped Pitt in my view!
The move to the ACC itself helped Pitt football (not sure about hoops) by giving us a stable home and revenue.
So we agree, being invited and cheering for ACc Teams in BB Tourney and TV Money does help Pitt! I also agree Pitt has a tougher challenge to win the ACC against such Historic BB programs known to play in more Final Fours and win NCS!
But having the Nat Champs here helps us no more than Ohio State winning or Michigan winning helps Indiana or Alabama winning helps Vanderbilt.
I disagree, The ACC a few years ago won every Post Season FB Award and Aaron Donald helped Pitt and ACC by contributing to it. Conner was helped too as ACC Player of the Years. Whitehead and Ollison as Freshmen of the Year! Henderson as Unanimous Consensus All Americans and Biz and Johnson as Consensus All Americans help Pitt too. FSU and Clemson Winning NCS help the ACC gain fame and Pitt winning or losing help Pitt too when playing them. If others think OSU, Indiana, Bama or Michigan do not help Pitt, I agree. But ACC Team do and Pitt is part of it!
UNC is UNC.
Yeah, and Pitt had a chance to beat them and beating a NCS is not bad is it? Would prefer some other Teams come to play at Pitt or ULou, Cuse, Duke, and UNC 4 of Top Ten AP Basketball Programs of All Time and tell us what Teams you want replace by what Teams you want to see?
You missed the point. UNC is UNC with the ACC or without.
Nope, you don't have a point, UNC is in the ACC and founding Member and those facts not conjecture. ACC winning 5 games in the NCAA Tourney made more money to help all ACC Teams too, that help ACC & Pitt too. None of UNC NCAA Money went to Big Ten, Big-12, P-12 or SEC.
They are one of the bluest of blue bloods. Has nothing to do with conference affiliation.
Once again, as a Member of the ACC and playing ACC Teams during and in Post-Season is a direct contribution to ACC Revenues and Promotions!
And again, you go off on a tangent like I am anti ACC.
Nope again, you went there, i put you back on track! The Logos own and put up by the ACC include UNC and Other ACC Teams plus Pitt together refute you not me.
How did you read that out of my post?
Well, write to the ACC and tell them in your own words to don't see UNC as part of the ACC and quit spending Money on Logos that include all ACC Schools? Those are your words above are they not?
I am just focusing on Pitt,
Not really, you contradicted yourself above when you said Pitt has benefited by being in the ACC, did you not? If Pitt is in the ACC and so is UNC and both advertise as such and share in Revenues is Pitt, UNC & ACC Focus too and why they call it a Conference!
and the fact that the National Champs in the same conference doesn't get us any better recruits, don't make our players better.
Really, you don't think Pitt Players and Coaches being proud they were the only team that Beat the ACC Atlantic Champions, Big Ten Champions and National Champions are wrong to point it out. Tell us all again, how not Beating Clemson help Pitt or is that a False Equivalency? I respectfully disagree.
WVU did not beat one Big-12 Rank Team and they rag about going 10-3, and being ranked, if it OK with their fans, i say Pitt fans can be just as proud as beating #1 & #7 Teams in 2016! Pitt Beating Clemson at Clemson was the talk of the Nation too all that week, i call that good for Pitt!
You can say they would get us better recruits but the current facts beg ti differ.
Well, you are mistaken on Facts again, PItt has more CFB Post-Season Awards, Hall of Fames, CFB Conference and NFL Conference Players of the Years in CFB History and in this past Decade in ACC and Big East than PSU & WVU, and you can't refute it!
Clemson is Clemson.
Again, tell us, how beating Clemson did not help Pitt Nationally, the only Team do it? Show all of us your wisdom on that one by showing us your answers instead of asking a question with a question? Or to feel the opportunity to play and beat a National Champion does not help Pitt Football???? Really, go tell Coach PN you want Pitt to give back the win!
Easy, What was attendance like at the very next Pitt game?
1. Easy rebuttal....Pitt beat Clemson at Clemson known as Death Valley and sold out and won by one point, when did Attendance start winning games?
2. Easier Rebuttal...Did Clemson beating Ohio State and Alabama with less fans cause them lose the games that won? You are using Nittany Liar Logic now are you not?
3. Easiest Rebutal....Do you think Pitt losing to Clemson would help Attendance?
Where is that top 20 recruiting class? You tell me.
At CBS247 Sports, on Rivals, ESPN Top 40 Insider, and CFN Scout!
Sure, it was a great win, but you have to capitalize on that.
Well, did Henderson make Unanimous All American and help beat Clemson? Did Biz 7 Johnson Consensus All American help beat Clemson? It begins by Winning, Budgets, Staffing, and Coaching more than just recruiting? Clemson never had the #1 Class but they beat OSu 31-0 and bame by a few without out Recruiting them, and Pitt beat Clemson and Penn State that beat OSU too?
And again, the fans, the locals could care less because there was a half empty stadium the very next game at Heinz, no different than if we beat say Tulsa.
And again, that does not take away one Iota of Value of Pitt Coaches & Players those are just your words of discontent that undermines the Pitt Players in doing their Best regardless what Local's think like you? Still Coach Pat & Staff don't talk that way either.
SO again, nice win...but on the grand scheme of things....the program was not advanced.
Well, I think beating Two Top Ten Ranked Teams did advance Pitt Football that is just an opinion. Losing would not have helped. Not being in the ACC either!
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="CaptainSidneyReilly, post: 1862786, member: 2434"And how does this help Pitt?
We didn't win 10 games, we didn't finish ranked in the top 25, we didn't clean up in recruiting, we didn't draw any more fans.
So what, Pitt is still improving and did not get blown out like WVU or PSU either. WVU did not even come close to beating a Ranked team and went 10 Wins. Look at the weaklings WVU & PSU played compared to Pitt?
I hate to be the dose of reality...but it didn't move the needle.
Yes, it did, you refuted your own words above in your own posts, and you admitted Pitt benefited by being in the ACC. They have beaten Higher Ranked teams than WVU did in the Big-12 and PSU in the Big Ten, I call that progress and moving the needle within your own words too.
What moves the needle if you beat Clemson in a season when you win 10 games, you get ranked, you get a good bowl, etc...
Now that is a truly a False Equivalency and just an opinion. Losing would not made it better. I think Pitt measuring up to playing Clemson by 1, OKST by -7, UNC by -1, PSU by +3, and VT -3 and NW by -7 is an improvement, but others can disagree.
This isn't the Big East where the Big East had to fight for every scrap of relevance.
Agree, it is not the Big East and the Big East doesn't exist in Football or can you prove otherwise? Pitt is the ACC known to be the Best Conference in BB in 2016-17 and FB in 2016 and in AP All Time 4 of Top 10 BB Programs! Care to dispute it?
Wow. Again, nothing in your response has anything to do with my points.
Now that is a False Equivalency you admitted above Pitt did benefit by joining the ACC so you are wrong in your second comments. It is your responses and your belief Pitt still stinks because of attendance and recruiting? On top of that you brought up Big East not me! I have opinions too, and that does not make you wrong, so don't take it that way. Still, I find it odd you praise Pitt being in BEC but disagree, Pitt in the ACC does nothing for Pitt?
I just said the Big East in football was bashed daily, raided by other conferences, kicked, trying to still our bid at the time. So banding together, rooting for each other was necessary.
Well, I did not read your first comments above that way, but I agree with you on what you just said, so we agree. I also think that applies to Pitt in the ACC too. I have always said, the ACC First Expansion Plan did not work out and did not cost BEC their BCS Bid as planned by Swofford. WVU & ULou in 2004 to 2008 actually saved the BEC BCS Bid, and the ACC was very weak during those years proved it. BEC BB adding Marquette, ND, ULou, UCincy all hurt ACC BB too and set a record in the NCAA BB Tourney to this very day.
I proposed way back in 2003 the better plan that ACC-BEC Secular Schools should merge and just have 16 Teams. I also thought that Rutgers & WVU should have been invited in 2010 to ACC not just Pitt and Cuse.
However, I do feel that is why it is important to stick together in the ACC. I prefer and welcome another ACC Team win NCS rather see B1G, P-12, SEc, or B-12, just me, no offense if others feel differently? when I read how much Penn State Fans Hate Big Ten all I can say, that is on them. Even WVU fans are happy in the Big-12 and say so.
And in basketball, they hated these little Catholic and urban northeastern schools kicking ass and dominating, so there was hate on us by the SEC, Big 10, ACC, etc...
I agree, Once Expansion was over it was finally reported how the Catholic Schools were the worst enemy for Big East Expansion. Miami kept asking for Expansion but they were ignored? ULou, UCincy, and USF actually did more BEC FB than Miami and BC only VT was winning much bigger than most ACC Teams. BC has 1 to 2 good years but went down too. Miami still has not won the Coastal!
Yes, the ACC move was best for us.
Well, this is a mutual admission you agree after all and acceptable to me in why I saluted the UNC, CU, PITT and all of the ACC! I don't mind if others disagree, just defending it.
But when we were in the Big East, the conference "brothers" thing was more meaningful.
Agree in part and disagree in part. I still want to play WVU & PSU every year, but beating Clemson the NCS was quite an excitement as much as Pitt beat WVU in 2007. Either way, Pitt is now better off in the ACC than the AAC or BEC!
I am more concerned on how Pitt can be helped,
No you are not by your own illogical arguments, ACC provides Budgetary Stability to Pitt but you just said Big East Basketball Conference is better? I Disagree, playing NCS Teams in the ACC is a better way for Pitt to succeed and if you think otherwise well, that is your flawed thinking! How can not playing National Champions and beating them hurts Pitt is the question you should answer!
I think I defended my points with the utmost of logic.
Well, you made admissions Pit is better off in the ACC and your own omissions that Attendance is more important than Winning Games against #1 and #7 don't seem logical to me, but we can agree to disagree.
YOU are the one who is confused. I never, ever said the ACC and having member teams hurt Pitt.
No, You said, "And how does this help Pitt?" and If you feel Pitt is better off as admitted in the ACC you contradicted yourself in my view.
I just said they don't help Pitt. Pitt has to help Pitt. Pitt is the only team who can help Pitt.
Pitt is being helped by being in the ACC and playing against NCS is a good thing, and beating them is better too. Now you added some more, and I always have agreed with Pitt has to do better. "My Motto all of last 3 years, has been..."So Little Done So Much More To Do!" when talking about Pitt in the ACC, but the ACC has put Pitt in contention to do better and improved Pitt!
Do you not get this?
I got it better than you, and you agreed with me ACC has benefited Pitt multiple times in your posts above now!
Carolina winning the BB title does nothing towards this.
Neither does your posting, logic, or comments does it? Sorry counselor, I think I defended my position and I don't think you proved anything, because you are assigning context to my comments that have nothing to do with what I posted.
Well, that is your opinion, I said what I said, UNC bringing money to Pitt helps Pitt, and winning 6 games in NCAA did that too. Pitt is better in the ACC you agreed me on your second response!
Therefore the logic problem is on your end.
Nope, Attendance does not win games, Coaches & Players do on Game Day! ACC Money from TV at $34 million does much better in all aspects of logic and facts as well in helping build a Stable Program! Beating Clemson helps too. Playing UNC NCS at Pitt helps as well even if Pitt loses by 2! Pitt only has been in the ACC since 2013, and doing better in FB. Pitt BB has been a challenge and it does take time!
Like I said, you are better than this. Step back, take a breath and reread my post.
Just did and gave you a proper response where I could agree and respected you where i disagree and pointed out facts you even admitted too.Still respect you too in the ways you think and post too far more than anything else.
Didn't blast the ACC, didn't say it hurt, didn't say the champs hurt us....just they don't help us. Pitt has to help itself. N'est ce pas?
Playing and Beating Teams in the ACC, ACC Atlantic Champions, and NCS Champions and making more Money in the ACC speaks for itself, and why I saluted them, and it still helps Pitt Coaching and playing Top 10 Ranked Champions is more than your claims of Attendance and Recruiting is more important.....go re-read what you posted above again. Pitt Recruits did beat Clemson in 2016 and not Pitt Attendance!
My Salute to the ACC Stands that it helps Pitt, and we can agree to disagree so long as we don't disconnect. Thank You for your clarifications as well!
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="CaptainSidneyReilly, post: 1862786, member: 2434"And how does this help Pitt?
We didn't win 10 games, we didn't finish ranked in the top 25, we didn't clean up in recruiting, we didn't draw any more fans.
So what, Pitt is still improving and did not get blown out like WVU or PSU either. WVU did not even come close to beating a Ranked team and went 10 Wins. Look at the weaklings WVU & PSU played compared to Pitt?
I hate to be the dose of reality...but it didn't move the needle.
Yes, it did, you refuted your own words above in your own posts, and you admitted Pitt benefited by being in the ACC. They have beaten Higher Ranked teams than WVU did in the Big-12 and PSU in the Big Ten, I call that progress and moving the needle within your own words too.
What moves the needle if you beat Clemson in a season when you win 10 games, you get ranked, you get a good bowl, etc...
Now that is a truly a False Equivalency and just an opinion. Losing would not made it better. I think Pitt measuring up to playing Clemson by 1, OKST by -7, UNC by -1, PSU by +3, and VT -3 and NW by -7 is an improvement, but others can disagree.
This isn't the Big East where the Big East had to fight for every scrap of relevance.
Agree, it is not the Big East and the Big East doesn't exist in Football or can you prove otherwise? Pitt is the ACC known to be the Best Conference in BB in 2016-17 and FB in 2016 and in AP All Time 4 of Top 10 BB Programs! Care to dispute it?
Wow. Again, nothing in your response has anything to do with my points.
Now that is a False Equivalency you admitted above Pitt did benefit by joining the ACC so you are wrong in your second comments. It is your responses and your belief Pitt still stinks because of attendance and recruiting? On top of that you brought up Big East not me! I have opinions too, and that does not make you wrong, so don't take it that way. Still, I find it odd you praise Pitt being in BEC but disagree, Pitt in the ACC does nothing for Pitt?
I just said the Big East in football was bashed daily, raided by other conferences, kicked, trying to still our bid at the time. So banding together, rooting for each other was necessary.
Well, I did not read your first comments above that way, but I agree with you on what you just said, so we agree. I also think that applies to Pitt in the ACC too. I have always said, the ACC First Expansion Plan did not work out and did not cost BEC their BCS Bid as planned by Swofford. WVU & ULou in 2004 to 2008 actually saved the BEC BCS Bid, and the ACC was very weak during those years proved it. BEC BB adding Marquette, ND, ULou, UCincy all hurt ACC BB too and set a record in the NCAA BB Tourney to this very day.
I proposed way back in 2003 the better plan that ACC-BEC Secular Schools should merge and just have 16 Teams. I also thought that Rutgers & WVU should have been invited in 2010 to ACC not just Pitt and Cuse.
However, I do feel that is why it is important to stick together in the ACC. I prefer and welcome another ACC Team win NCS rather see B1G, P-12, SEc, or B-12, just me, no offense if others feel differently? when I read how much Penn State Fans Hate Big Ten all I can say, that is on them. Even WVU fans are happy in the Big-12 and say so.
And in basketball, they hated these little Catholic and urban northeastern schools kicking ass and dominating, so there was hate on us by the SEC, Big 10, ACC, etc...
I agree, Once Expansion was over it was finally reported how the Catholic Schools were the worst enemy for Big East Expansion. Miami kept asking for Expansion but they were ignored? ULou, UCincy, and USF actually did more BEC FB than Miami and BC only VT was winning much bigger than most ACC Teams. BC has 1 to 2 good years but went down too. Miami still has not won the Coastal!
Yes, the ACC move was best for us.
Well, this is a mutual admission you agree after all and acceptable to me in why I saluted the UNC, CU, PITT and all of the ACC! I don't mind if others disagree, just defending it.
But when we were in the Big East, the conference "brothers" thing was more meaningful.
Agree in part and disagree in part. I still want to play WVU & PSU every year, but beating Clemson the NCS was quite an excitement as much as Pitt beat WVU in 2007. Either way, Pitt is now better off in the ACC than the AAC or BEC!
I am more concerned on how Pitt can be helped,
No you are not by your own illogical arguments, ACC provides Budgetary Stability to Pitt but you just said Big East Basketball Conference is better? I Disagree, playing NCS Teams in the ACC is a better way for Pitt to succeed and if you think otherwise well, that is your flawed thinking! How can not playing National Champions and beating them hurts Pitt is the question you should answer!
I think I defended my points with the utmost of logic.
Well, you made admissions Pit is better off in the ACC and your own omissions that Attendance is more important than Winning Games against #1 and #7 don't seem logical to me, but we can agree to disagree.
YOU are the one who is confused. I never, ever said the ACC and having member teams hurt Pitt.
No, You said, "And how does this help Pitt?" and If you feel Pitt is better off as admitted in the ACC you contradicted yourself in my view.
I just said they don't help Pitt. Pitt has to help Pitt. Pitt is the only team who can help Pitt.
Pitt is being helped by being in the ACC and playing against NCS is a good thing, and beating them is better too. Now you added some more, and I always have agreed with Pitt has to do better. "My Motto all of last 3 years, has been..."So Little Done So Much More To Do!" when talking about Pitt in the ACC, but the ACC has put Pitt in contention to do better and improved Pitt!
Do you not get this?
I got it better than you, and you agreed with me ACC has benefited Pitt multiple times in your posts above now!
Carolina winning the BB title does nothing towards this.
Neither does your posting, logic, or comments does it? Sorry counselor, I think I defended my position and I don't think you proved anything, because you are assigning context to my comments that have nothing to do with what I posted.
Well, that is your opinion, I said what I said, UNC bringing money to Pitt helps Pitt, and winning 6 games in NCAA did that too. Pitt is better in the ACC you agreed me on your second response!
Therefore the logic problem is on your end.
Nope, Attendance does not win games, Coaches & Players do on Game Day! ACC Money from TV at $34 million does much better in all aspects of logic and facts as well in helping build a Stable Program! Beating Clemson helps too. Playing UNC NCS at Pitt helps as well even if Pitt loses by 2! Pitt only has been in the ACC since 2013, and doing better in FB. Pitt BB has been a challenge and it does take time!
Like I said, you are better than this. Step back, take a breath and reread my post.
Just did and gave you a proper response where I could agree and respected you where i disagree and pointed out facts you even admitted too.Still respect you too in the ways you think and post too far more than anything else.
Didn't blast the ACC, didn't say it hurt, didn't say the champs hurt us....just they don't help us. Pitt has to help itself. N'est ce pas?
Playing and Beating Teams in the ACC, ACC Atlantic Champions, and NCS Champions and making more Money in the ACC speaks for itself, and why I saluted them, and it still helps Pitt Coaching and playing Top 10 Ranked Champions is more than your claims of Attendance and Recruiting is more important.....go re-read what you posted above again. Pitt Recruits did beat Clemson in 2016 and not Pitt Attendance!
My Salute to the ACC Stands that it helps Pitt, and we can agree to disagree so long as we don't disconnect. Thank You for your clarifications as well!
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"recruitsreadtheseboards, post: 1863157, member: 2328"]Reread my response to Captain. You guys aren't getting it. It is not, we are not blaming or demeaning the ACC for anything. We are happy to be there. Just the very elite at their sports in the conferences winning a Championship has little effect.
I responded and I still agree to disagree with respect!
Sure, you can say "a rising tide raises all ships" but this is not true.
Well, Pitt is winning more and better in the ACC and improvements have been seen on Offense and Special Teams, and Defense is still a work in progress. Pitt Players play all 4 Quarters far more now since 1996? Coaching game Plans better too!
There is a zero sum game here.
Pitt at 8-5 beating ranked top Ten Teams is a Zero plus Sum! you were measuring Pitt Improvements by Attendance and Recruiting Factors above, not Game Wins!
Game Wins are a Zero Sum Game & Attendance Numbers & Recruiting Rankings are not by any means, Zero Sum Games in Logic or Mathematics! Top Recruiting Classes with filled up Stadiums are Zero Sum Games!
The best teams get the best players.
Clemson wiped out OSU 31-0, PSU recruits beat OSU too with a Blocked Kicks, Pitt Beat Clemson ACC Champion, Big Ten Champion, and National Champion Better Players and did it away and only Program to do it, USC beat the Two Pac-12 Champions and Big Ten Champion too but not the National Champion. Clemson, Ohio State, USC and Penn State all had way more 4 & 5 Star Recruits, does not mean Pitt is not improving?
BC certainly hasn't been helped by any of this, have they?
Why bring up BC, you said above.....UNC is UNC.....Clemson is Clemson and I say Pitt is Pitt and all in the ACC, so what is wrong in praising the ACC adn BC did not beat Clemson nor any other ACC Team, just Pitt Is Pitt?
These wins don't happen in a vacuum that sucks all members up. It occurs in their own atmosphere.
Correction, they happen in the ACC and Pitt is in the ACC and that is ACC atmosphere, or can you prove it is logic on from another planet like the Tin Foil Cult Dolts?
Just accept Pitt Beat the NCS by 1 point in Football, and lost to NCS in Basketball by 2 points? What is wrong with Pitt is Pitt doing it?
The ACC is known as the Best Conference in basketball in America and Big Ten Second. The SEC is known as the Best Conference in Football and the Big Ten is consider Second! In 2016-17, ACC proved to be the Best In Football and Best in Basketball in 2016-17!
Pitt is in the ACC and Pitt Posters can Salute being a proud Member of the ACC accomplishing that feat in College Playoff Football & NCAA Basketball and that is Pitt Is Pitt in the ACC!
I responded and I still agree to disagree with respect!
Sure, you can say "a rising tide raises all ships" but this is not true.
Well, Pitt is winning more and better in the ACC and improvements have been seen on Offense and Special Teams, and Defense is still a work in progress. Pitt Players play all 4 Quarters far more now since 1996? Coaching game Plans better too!
There is a zero sum game here.
Pitt at 8-5 beating ranked top Ten Teams is a Zero plus Sum! you were measuring Pitt Improvements by Attendance and Recruiting Factors above, not Game Wins!
Game Wins are a Zero Sum Game & Attendance Numbers & Recruiting Rankings are not by any means, Zero Sum Games in Logic or Mathematics! Top Recruiting Classes with filled up Stadiums are Zero Sum Games!
The best teams get the best players.
Clemson wiped out OSU 31-0, PSU recruits beat OSU too with a Blocked Kicks, Pitt Beat Clemson ACC Champion, Big Ten Champion, and National Champion Better Players and did it away and only Program to do it, USC beat the Two Pac-12 Champions and Big Ten Champion too but not the National Champion. Clemson, Ohio State, USC and Penn State all had way more 4 & 5 Star Recruits, does not mean Pitt is not improving?
BC certainly hasn't been helped by any of this, have they?
Why bring up BC, you said above.....UNC is UNC.....Clemson is Clemson and I say Pitt is Pitt and all in the ACC, so what is wrong in praising the ACC adn BC did not beat Clemson nor any other ACC Team, just Pitt Is Pitt?
These wins don't happen in a vacuum that sucks all members up. It occurs in their own atmosphere.
Correction, they happen in the ACC and Pitt is in the ACC and that is ACC atmosphere, or can you prove it is logic on from another planet like the Tin Foil Cult Dolts?
Just accept Pitt Beat the NCS by 1 point in Football, and lost to NCS in Basketball by 2 points? What is wrong with Pitt is Pitt doing it?
The ACC is known as the Best Conference in basketball in America and Big Ten Second. The SEC is known as the Best Conference in Football and the Big Ten is consider Second! In 2016-17, ACC proved to be the Best In Football and Best in Basketball in 2016-17!
Pitt is in the ACC and Pitt Posters can Salute being a proud Member of the ACC accomplishing that feat in College Playoff Football & NCAA Basketball and that is Pitt Is Pitt in the ACC!
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Oh I agree. Pitt needs to do it's part to truly get better.
But strong basketball and especially football makes the conference as a whole stronger and more stable which brings in more revenue.
1) I said long term overall.
2) Made the tourney 3 out of 5 years we've been in the league. This year was a horrible year. And most ACC schools were still considered tourney teams up until the last 5 games or so (including Pitt) because of how strong the league was perceived.
it was a decision that had to be made, based on financials. Football, it's helped, one less detraction that has to be addressed on the recruiting front. on hoops side, we have not transitioned well.. not sure if it's geography, style of play, talent level or maybe just bad timing with our decline coinciding with the move but it's been far from a good thing for the hoops side...
on a positive, I do believe it has forced us to improve our facilities in other sports. I believe, no proof of course, that the soccer, softball and baseball field was created due to our move to the ACC. tearing down ghetto section 8 housing behind trees and putting in Pitt athletic fields is the best thing that one could imagine..
This MEANS NOTHING to me if WE'RE not the ones that are doing the winning! I'd rather be champion of a lesser conference than be an also ran in the best.
Pitt invited to the ACC clearly the Right Choice!
Congratulations Clemson 2016 Football National Champions!
Congratulation North Carolina 2017 Basketball National Champions!
Salute From ACC Pitt Panthers Proud To Be Part of The ACC!
How? Help Pitt do what? I'd rather they make LESS MONEY and be 10-2 rather than getting the biggest payoff in America and going 6-6. So help Pitt in what way? If the answer isn't BIG TIME WINNING SEASONS, then I won't enjoy it. I'd rather be AAC champ than go 6-6 in the ACC while getting paid a lot, and if all we're going to get is tons of money, but never be good on the field, what good is that?
I'd rather win/play against big time competition than be the big fish with the pee ons.
Serious ball players want to know they will have the opportunity to play against the best. They want to know that they will get seen. When a conference is drawing national attention it also draws the eyes of young players.
Do not get it twisted how much that Clemson win on the road does for our football program going forward now that they ended up beating Bama in the National Championship game.
And our basketball team probably played 1 of their best games all year against UNC who won the National title.
It makes a big difference on multiple fronts playing in a conference where your fellow universities are winning at the highest levels.
And for me personally while I luv establishing rivalries & see us beginning to do so w/ every year that goes by in the ACC I also have no problem becoming a fan of those schools when they play outside of the conference.
In football the ACC seems to have brought in outstanding staffs in the past 3-4 years to the point that the overall quality of play in league games has really taken off. The talent in the league is crazy good as last year I know I witnessed some great individual players we had to go up against. There was a reason our defense gave up big numbers & it was not just our guys played bad....the quality of competition was NFL draft level in many instances.
And as far as basketball goes the ACC was always right there at the top even when the Big East took over for some time the ACC was always in the mix for being the best.
H2 PITT !!!
Do not get it twisted how much that Clemson win on the road does for our football program going forward now that they ended up beating Bama in the National Championship game.
And our basketball team probably played 1 of their best games all year against UNC who won the National title.
It makes a big difference on multiple fronts playing in a conference where your fellow universities are winning at the highest levels.
And for me personally while I luv establishing rivalries & see us beginning to do so w/ every year that goes by in the ACC I also have no problem becoming a fan of those schools when they play outside of the conference.
In football the ACC seems to have brought in outstanding staffs in the past 3-4 years to the point that the overall quality of play in league games has really taken off. The talent in the league is crazy good as last year I know I witnessed some great individual players we had to go up against. There was a reason our defense gave up big numbers & it was not just our guys played bad....the quality of competition was NFL draft level in many instances.
And as far as basketball goes the ACC was always right there at the top even when the Big East took over for some time the ACC was always in the mix for being the best.
H2 PITT !!!
But if you're Pitt and you never actually win, like you have JUST ONE 10 win season in football in 35 years? JUST ONE!?!?!? Or now that we are apparently going to perpetually be another one of Duke and UNC's basketball punching bags, this is fun? I disagree.
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