ACC Football 2016 & Basketball Dominance 2017, Ain't It Sweet!

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

This MEANS NOTHING to me if WE'RE not the ones that are doing the winning! I'd rather be champion of a lesser conference than be an also ran in the best.

Everyone has view and opinion and I accept they can post it too. However, being a Power conference is important and no amount of winning at Western Michigan or Boise or any other Non-Power Conference in previous years, ever got them near a CFB Playoff Selection even at 12-0.

Pitt would be making more money in the Big Ten but Paterno and Penn State blocked them. Just like Ohio State wanted MSU over PITT in the 1950s to hurt Michigan. The Big Ten Money is now helping Rutgers, NW, Maryland, IU, Purdue, Minnesota, Illinois and others to grow their FB Programs now too. Yet, still hard to overcome OSU, UM, MSU, Iowa, PSU, and NU.

WVU is glad it is in Big-12 Power Conference and it cost then $20 Million to get in it, but has caused them many problems on location and traveled for their Student Athletes Logistic on Classes. Yet, they have done well being in the Top 25 in FB & BB in 2016 more than Pitt or Penn State. I still think they belong in the ACC but that ship has sailed.

Pitt is a good fit for the ACC and only has been there since 2013 with Two Chancellors, Two Head Coaches, Three Athletic Directors, and Four OC's and requires way more stability in attracting and selecting Good Leadership and stay at Pitt to Rebuild Football & Basketball Programs together.

Others can differ but this how Sports Lawyers tell Athletic Program are rebuilt in College Football and Basketball the two revenue Programs that provide most Income to rebuild All Athletics:
1. Chancellors Vision Must Commit To Have It
2. Circle of Boosters Giving & Advisers Must Have It
3. Power Conference Income Membership For Budget Stability
4. Great Coaching Selection & Stays At School For 10 Years
5. Great Athletic Director Selection Of Support Not Ego In Fighting
6. Coaching Develops Recruits Into Winning Teams
7. Winning Teams Over 3 Years Right Away
8. Winning In Top 25 Teams Over 10 Years Every Year
9. New Facilities Always Updated On Campus
10. Recruiting Without No NCAA Sanctions
11. Attendance That Fits Proper Stadium Capacity
12. Avoid Off The Gridiron Problems & Scandals

Once you can build the above in steps with Academic & Athletic Coaching Leadership as a Team together and win over 10 years in the Top 25, rebuilding a Football or Basketball Program must come first and foremost.

Men & Women Basketball, Baseball, Tennis, Volleyball, Wrestling, Gymnastics, Lacrosse, Rowing, Swimming, Hockey, even with National Championship and Olympic Champions won't rebuild any University Athletics Programs in Football or Basketball, they just will drain and divide resources unless proper management uses the power Conference Men's Football & Men's Basketball Money in finding and keeping Great Coaching and Athletic Leadership, but that starts with the Chancellor's Vision & Support he musters among Boosters that make sure they can attract and keep Great Coaching.

Pitt is a mostly Private Urban University but so is USC, Miami, NWU, Stanford, TCU, and other Smaller Private Universities in ND, Duke, Baylor, and Wake with far less Traditional FB History in Winning, All Americans, and National Titles.

Even Public Universities at UCLA, GT, ULou, UA, Cal, and some others have the same challenges as Pitt, but can commit to rebuild FB & BB with Great University Leadefship.

The importance of being in a Power Conference is paramount and thank Nordenberg in doing it but now up to Gallagher to grow Pitt Athletics by finding the right people like Posvar & Boosters Alumni did in 1972 and maintaining it for Pitt over 10 years.

Other Urban Universities that are not in a Power CFB & BB Conference can't maintain or rebuild Athletic no matter how much they win just ask Houston, USF, Temple, UCincy, UConn, BYU, Toledo, SDSU, Kent State, SMU, Ohio, Memphis, Buffalo or Hawaii.

Pitt Football was built on different Era's of Winning 1910-1939, 1950-1963, 1972-1989, 1996-2013 and now is capable of Rebuilding again 2013-Today-Beyond to Beyond with the Right People In Cathy's Academics & Football & Basketball Athletics that stay at Pitt to do it.

Like Owtie says, Up to Pitt to Do it, and I Agree & can Believe It can be Done!

 

[Pitt79]

Rutgers sure will get ahead with that big money! LOL!

And you know what, I think if the choice is go 6-6 perpetually with a CHANCE at the CFP if you have a fluky good season once in 50 years, or going 10-2, 11-1 0r 12-0 VERY OFTEN with no chance at the CFP, I'd probably have more fun with the latter.

 

[Pitt79]

I guess it just doesn't excite me to be the bad team in the great league and get to see the nations top teams every week and probably lose. If you aren't going to do WHATEVER IT TAKES to compete at the highest level, I'd rather be a big fish in a small pond rather than be Vandy and "get to see Bama and Auburn all the time", but usually go 5-7.

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

"Pitt79, post: 1864840, member: 2170"]Rutgers sure will get ahead with that big money! LOL!
Quite agree, Rutger's President Leadership has gone through Athletic Directors and Coaching Scandals and still trying to compete in the Big Ten East and has more on its plate coming out. Yet, compare that to Maryland that does have a Under Armor Booster and we shall see if Durkin's Coaching improves this year. Yet, taking on OSU, Michigan, MSU, and PSU is not easy every year no matter how much more money you now make, they always have more? They like Pitt must find and retain Great Coaching & Leadership. Not easy either when Boosters are still upset and AD's coming and going with OC's? Stability is required!

On the other hand, to be fair, Rutgers and UMD are just 3 years in the Big Ten too, just like WVU & TCU in Big-12, Pitt, Cuse, ULou in ACC since 2013.

And you no what, I think if the choice is go 6-6 perpetually with a CHANCE at the CFP if you have a fluky good season once in 50 years, or going 10-2, 11-1 0r 12-0 VERY OFTEN with no chance at the CFP, I'd probably have more fun with the latter.
Well, that is your view and acceptable, I just feel Rebuilding a solid Top 25 Program can happen at Pitt with the right leadership, TCU, Standford, Clemson, and others have done it without Scandal, by no means easy, but can and has been done.

 

[ThePanthers]

I guess it just doesn't excite me to be the bad team in the great league and get to see the nations top teams every week and probably lose. If you aren't going to do WHATEVER IT TAKES to compete at the highest level, I'd rather be a big fish in a small pond rather than be Vandy and "get to see Bama and Auburn all the time", but usually go 5-7.

Yet we defeated the eventual national champions and finished 8-4 and finished in the playoff committee top 25. To me that is a strong sign we are competing.

I wonder how the coaches/players and university feel when they come home from Clemson and see 20K crowds for their final two games. I think it shows the university can try, but the fans aren't willing to DO WHATEVER IT TAKES to create a winning culture.

 

[ncyajleel]

No one in the AAC is going to make the playoffs any time soon. The Big 12 can't even get in.

How? Help Pitt do what? I'd rather they make LESS MONEY and be 10-2 rather than getting the biggest payoff in America and going 6-6. So help Pitt in what way? If the answer isn't BIG TIME WINNING SEASONS, then I won't enjoy it. I'd rather be AAC champ than go 6-6 in the ACC while getting paid a lot, and if all we're going to get is tons of money, but never be good on the field, what good is that?

 

[ncyajleel]

It's all how people look at it. There is no right or wrong, unless one thinks they are right and everyone else is wrong. Some just want to win, they don't care how bad the teams are they play or what level or conference, just win. Others like me want to win, but we want to beat the best. Unfortunately the present college football landscape is set up to screw over the little conferences. Yes it would be great to be a conference champion, but I would rather be the national champion and that is not going to happen at this point in time in a weaker conference.

I'm the type that wants to play the best. When I went to college I wanted to wrestle. I could have done really well at the division three level, but no matter how good I could be the division one and two champions would always be better. That was just how I was, I wanted to be the best overall and not the best at my level. So I went D1 and got may ass kicked!! But at least I don't look back and say "what if?"

I guess it just doesn't excite me to be the bad team in the great league and get to see the nations top teams every week and probably lose. If you aren't going to do WHATEVER IT TAKES to compete at the highest level, I'd rather be a big fish in a small pond rather than be Vandy and "get to see Bama and Auburn all the time", but usually go 5-7.

 

[Revenge Of The Noise]

Yet we defeated the eventual national champions and finished 8-4 and finished in the playoff committee top 25. To me that is a strong sign we are competing.

I wonder how the coaches/players and university feel when they come home from Clemson and see 20K crowds for their final two games. I think it shows the university can try, but the fans aren't willing to DO WHATEVER IT TAKES to create a winning culture.

The game after Clemson was a legit example of fans not coming through. It simply was a poor response. No sugarcoating it. It should have been a much better crowd.

That said, I'll go back to this ... Clemson win is one on the hand of truly inspiring victories of the last 35 years. That makes for a very cynical fan base. The Clemson game needed to have been preceded by the team coming through at Ok St. and UNC ... but they only got 7/8 of the way. Then dropped the bowl game (with a nice crowd showing) in a dismal way. There are lot more of those kind of losses than there are Clemson-like victories.

 

[ThePanthers]

The game after Clemson was a legit example of fans not coming through. It simply was a poor response. No sugarcoating it. It should have been a much better crowd.

That said, I'll go back to this ... Clemson win is one on the hand of truly inspiring victories of the last 35 years. That makes for a very cynical fan base. The Clemson game needed to have bee proceeded with the team coming through at Ok St. and UNC but they only got 7/8 of the way. Then dropped the bowl game (with a nice crowd showing) in a dismal way. There are lot more of those kind of losses than there are Clemson-like victories.

The team is going to lose games. They also beat PSU.
This team is now. Not 35 years ago. They can't control what happened then.

If people are expecting perfection, they will be waiting a long time.

 

[Revenge Of The Noise]

The team is going to lose games. They also beat PSU.
This team is now. Not 35 years ago. They can't control what happened then.

If people are expecting perfection, they will be waiting a long time.

People don't reboot at the end of each season and wipe out their memories. In fact, sports fandom and loyalty is BASED on memories of past glories. The Steelers really haven't won bunk the last immediate couple years, actually about as many dud games as great games. But people still buy all their tickets and show up at games because they have collectively been great for most of the past 40 years.

 

[Pitt79]

Yet we defeated the eventual national champions and finished 8-4 and finished in the playoff committee top 25. To me that is a strong sign we are competing.

I wonder how the coaches/players and university feel when they come home from Clemson and see 20K crowds for their final two games. I think it shows the university can try, but the fans aren't willing to DO WHATEVER IT TAKES to create a winning culture.

It's on the TEAM to do the winning to bring the fans, it's on the team to win even with poor fan support, the U never had great fan support in their dynasty years. Blaming fans for failure is ridiculous, fans come AFTER there's something exciting that draws them. You don't fill the stadium to start the winning, you start winning and that fills the stadium.

 

[ThePanthers]

It's on the TEAM to do the winning to bring the fans, it's on the team to win even with poor fan support, the U never had great fan support in their dynasty years. Blaming fans for failure is ridiculous, fans come AFTER there's something exciting that draws them. You don't fill the stadium to start the winning, you start winning and that fills the stadium.

The U also got in big time trouble, and live in a hot bed for recruiting.

College athletics is a different animal. Your thinking is a barrier to recruiting and building a winning program. That is why Pitt will most likely be a 6 to 8 win team most years.

 

[Pitt79]

The U also got in big time trouble, and live in a hot bed for recruiting.

I'd be happy to get whatever the U's sanctions where later, for a stretch of success now. No big deal, if we cheated like they did, had a stretch of 10 win teams and top 25s for a decade, then got caught and returned to 6-8 win seasons, that's better than not cheating and having 6-8 win seasons continuously.

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

"Pitt79, post: 1864690, member: 2170"]But if you're Pitt and you never actually win, like you have JUST ONE 10 win season in football in 35 years?
I blame Pitt no one else. Chancellor Posvar appointed the wrong AD in Bozo Bozik in 1982, Majors and Sherrill both regret and say leaving Pitt was the biggest mistakes by them in their careers. Chancellor O'Conner was just a Big Dud! Chancellor Nordenberg had a Vision and did his Best returning Pitt to Winning in Football, Top 25 Status in Basketball, Big East BCS Bowl Bid Survival, even without a proper AD that would stay at Pitt, and having Pitt Invited to the ACC even with Pederson returning because no one would hire him? Up to Chancellor Gallagher to now overcome Pederson Poison and Barnes Bum Buyouts, and excel in the ACC with his 3rd AD in Hearher. it will happen if Narduzzi is given what he needs to rebuild FB Program, not go to Wrestling and Minor Sports right now.


JUST ONE!?!?!?
Big Deal, up to Pitt again, and beating #1 Clemson and #7 Penn State is a good sign of things to come. At least Pitt avoided Major Scandals unlike WVU & Penn State! WVU has not beaten a Top Ten Teams in 5 years. Pitt did beat Two Conference Champions and One National Champion. Penn State has not done that either. You think by saying you want Pitt Winning in a Non-Power Conference is just bad vision on your part. Narduzzi does not feel that way!

Or now that we are apparently going to perpetually be another one of Duke and UNC's basketball punching bags, this is fun? I disagree.
Well, you prefer Pitt to be a Punching Bag by you doing the punching and can't see the superb coaching Narduzzi & Staff have done in changing attitudes, with far tougher schedules than PSU & WVU, and No Scandals on or off the Gridiron????? Plus, you are proven wrong when Pitt has already beaten beaten a National Champions, ACC Champion and Big Ten Champions in just its 4th year in the ACC in Clemson 15-1 and Penn State 11-3????

Maybe you need a change in attitude, vision, and if you can't go support Western Michigan, UConn, UcCincy or Houston or Fordham!

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

The U also got in big time trouble, and live in a hot bed for recruiting.

College athletics is a different animal. Your thinking is a barrier to recruiting and building a winning program. That is why Pitt will most likely be a 6 to 8 win team most years.

Well, let hope your vision for Pitt stay within you, and you are never hired to help change it, you can't see the difference between coach Narduzzi and his chnage in Pitt Players attitude and wanting to be at Pitt, go elsewhere and posy gloom and doom on yourself!

Unlike being a Penn state Poster that Hates the Big Ten and many Penn State Leadership that cleaned up the Worst Scandal In College Football History under the Spanier-Paterno Era......Most Pitt Posters are proud to be a part of the ACC and prefer challenging the ACC Best and glad they are National Champions Pitt has the opportunity to play! WVU couldn't beat Big-12 Champions even with an easy schedule.

You need to go and post on Western Michigan Boards where you can feel better about winning in a Non-Power Conference as you said you want Pitt to do above?

I can wait and enjoy Pitt win or lose in the ACC the Best Conference in Football & Basketball in 2016-17 than SEC, Big-12, PAc-12, or Big Ten at least last and this year?

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

No one in the AAC is going to make the playoffs any time soon. The Big 12 can't even get in.

Oooops...now you speak the truth do you not? Thank You!

Houston, Navy, Temple made good runs, but some Coaches left for Big-12 too and Big-12 Texas's Strong in now at AAC at USF?


Agree, Pitt is better off in the ACC!

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

The game after Clemson was a legit example of fans not coming through. It simply was a poor response. No sugarcoating it. It should have been a much better crowd.

That said, I'll go back to this ... Clemson win is one on the hand of truly inspiring victories of the last 35 years. That makes for a very cynical fan base. The Clemson game needed to have been preceded by the team coming through at Ok St. and UNC ... but they only got 7/8 of the way. Then dropped the bowl game (with a nice crowd showing) in a dismal way. There are lot more of those kind of losses than there are Clemson-like victories.

So Little Done So Much More To Do but the Clemson game was a measurement along with close losses against Top 25 OKST, VT, and Pitt has improved and needs to keep doing it.

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

The team is going to lose games. They also beat PSU.
This team is now. Not 35 years ago. They can't control what happened then.

If people are expecting perfection, they will be waiting a long time.

Disagree, the joy in beating Penn State and Clemson and Heartbreak losing to OKST, UNC, VT and NU shows the Player's Attitudes have changed the coaching game Plans are better since 1980s. Navy in 2015 and Miami in 2016 were the losing games from start to finish in 2 years. Pitt is improving and far better off in the ACC Power Conference!

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

The U also got in big time trouble, and live in a hot bed for recruiting.

College athletics is a different animal. Your thinking is a barrier to recruiting and building a winning program. That is why Pitt will most likely be a 6 to 8 win team most years.

Good points, to me It reflects like "Pederson Poison Thinking" thinking he knew and knows more than Coaches and like Narduzzi once said, Coach Pat would be at Pitt if Pederson was still here. He did use SP name but everyone knew whom he meant!

Few Great Coaches wanted to work under Pederson at Pitt or Nebraska.

 

[VAPITTALUM]

the only thing good about it, is that the shared revenue is greater, the further a conference team goes into the tourney. some kind of "credit" breakdown with each game a conference team plays in the tourney. Yes it's shared and broken out over a 1/2 decade but still, every little bit helps I guess..

Weird that pitt fans would take any sort of bragging rights out of this though. that's a reach to say the least.. It would be like a seton hall fan boasting about villanova's win last year, you'd pretty much laugh at the guy..

Or like an SEC fan boasting about having the best football conference because Alabama wins a national championship....oh wait.

 

[Swervin27]

Or like an SEC fan boasting about having the best football conference because Alabama wins a national championship....oh wait.

Who does that?

 

[VAPITTALUM]

Who does that?

I would say the majority of SEC fans do that. The post wasn't directed at you, just pointing out conference association, and propping one's team up on the single fact the champion plays in the same conference as that person's team is not limited to the ACC/PITT. In fact, I would say fans of all the major conferences do the same exact thing.
Watch any promotional add for a conference; they don't single out the champion, rather they call themselves the "conference of champions" even when the majority of the conference members haven't experienced an NCAA Championship in a number of years.

 

[Pitt79]

"Pitt79, post: 1864690, member: 2170"]But if you're Pitt and you never actually win, like you have JUST ONE 10 win season in football in 35 years?
I blame Pitt no one else. Chancellor Posvar appointed the wrong AD in Bozo Bozik in 1982, Majors and Sherrill both regret and say leaving Pitt was the biggest mistakes by them in their careers. Chancellor O'Conner was just a Big Dud! Chancellor Nordenberg had a Vision and did his Best returning Pitt to Winning in Football, Top 25 Status in Basketball, Big East BCS Bowl Bid Survival, even without a proper AD that would stay at Pitt, and having Pitt Invited to the ACC even with Pederson returning because no one would hire him? Up to Chancellor Gallagher to now overcome Pederson Poison and Barnes Bum Buyouts, and excel in the ACC with his 3rd AD in Hearher. it will happen if Narduzzi is given what he needs to rebuild FB Program, not go to Wrestling and Minor Sports right now.


JUST ONE!?!?!?
Big Deal, up to Pitt again, and beating #1 Clemson and #7 Penn State is a good sign of things to come. At least Pitt avoided Major Scandals unlike WVU & Penn State! WVU has not beaten a Top Ten Teams in 5 years. Pitt did beat Two Conference Champions and One National Champion. Penn State has not done that either. You think by saying you want Pitt Winning in a Non-Power Conference is just bad vision on your part. Narduzzi does not feel that way!

Or now that we are apparently going to perpetually be another one of Duke and UNC's basketball punching bags, this is fun? I disagree.
Well, you prefer Pitt to be a Punching Bag by you doing the punching and can't see the superb coaching Narduzzi & Staff have done in changing attitudes, with far tougher schedules than PSU & WVU, and No Scandals on or off the Gridiron????? Plus, you are proven wrong when Pitt has already beaten beaten a National Champions, ACC Champion and Big Ten Champions in just its 4th year in the ACC in Clemson 15-1 and Penn State 11-3????

Maybe you need a change in attitude, vision, and if you can't go support Western Michigan, UConn, UcCincy or Houston or Fordham!

I'd rather be 11-3 and play on New Years Day and not have beaten the #1 team, than be 8-5 with a win over #1. I'm not necessarily suggesting that they leave P5, I just don't want to be there for the pay check and be mediocre or less every year on the field-then brag about being in a top conference as an also ran. I want to win, and I don't mind scandals either, ALL OF THE TOP TEAMS are constantly riddled with scandals and get slapped on the wrist and STAY ON TOP, scandals are no big deal, since they clearly don't knock THE WINNERS off of their lofty perches.

 

[revampedpanthers]

I would say a good ACC will help Pitt more than the AAC or Big East ever could. With all of the talk about expansion and conferences Imploding, ACC winning both football and basketball titles would make the ACC stronger than say the Big 12 for example. The B1G, PAC, and SEC aren't going anywhere. When the expansion talks happen people always point to the ACC and B12 as being the conferences to poach teams or even disappear. A strong ACC makes that a less chance of happening. No team wants to be in a conference that is not stable.

Thats how I see it as well. A strong ACC keeps teams happy and believing they can reach their goals in the conference. It will also help TV ratings and that will help with future contracts and espn look in periods.

 

[revampedpanthers]

It certainly doesn't hurt Pitt. Not sure how much it helps. Like I said, Pitt can help itself moreso than anyone else.

If the ACC is sputtering along and not competing in the CFP then it makes the ACC more likely to get raided. The conference winning championships, raises ratings which means eventually more money, which means a stable conference, better tv spots etc etc. It also makes recruits realize they are going to be playing the top programs in the country. SEC schools always tout that they have the best FB conference why? Because it makes kids want to play there. A kid who can't get into FL ST or Clemson might choose NC ST over WVU in part because the competition is better in the ACC.

 

[revampedpanthers]

Rutgers sure will get ahead with that big money! LOL!

And you know what, I think if the choice is go 6-6 perpetually with a CHANCE at the CFP if you have a fluky good season once in 50 years, or going 10-2, 11-1 0r 12-0 VERY OFTEN with no chance at the CFP, I'd probably have more fun with the latter.

then petition the admin to join the MAC or conference USA. Just know that Pitt will likely never beat a PSU or WVU again. Hell why not drop down to division 2 we could probably win a championship every other year. Also Pitt has went 8-4 the last 2 years so its not like they have been perpetually 6-6

 

[Pitt79]

then petition the admin to join the MAC or conference USA. Just know that Pitt will likely never beat a PSU or WVU again. Hell why not drop down to division 2 we could probably win a championship every other year. Also Pitt has went 8-4 the last 2 years so its not like they have been perpetually 6-6

If you're going to be perpetually 6-6, I'd rather win a D2 Championship. If they could go 12-2 and play on NYD once every 10 years, fine, but we haven't seen anything like that in 40 years. Not saying every year, 1 in 10?