Brutal losses by VT and NC State today. 3 is a very real possibility and if that happens, there needs to be serious conference-wide discussions on how to fix it. Everything needs to be on the table. Including kicking BC out unless tbey make a big-time hire. I might even go so far as to give Villanova a non-football invite. Could help with ACCN/Comcast. I also think the ACC needs to start talks with Maryland about coming back.
ACC staring at 3 NCAAT teams right now
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You are an absolute hoot!
You gotta be kidding me, total overreaction on your part. These things run in cycles and the ACC just happens to be down this year, probably next year as well.
And I’d definitely be willing to bet over 3.5 on the number of ACC teams that get in.
And I’d definitely be willing to bet over 3.5 on the number of ACC teams that get in.
Yes, its cyclical but the league has Duke, UNC, Louisville, Syracuse, and Tony Bennett. 3/15 is completely unacceptable and I'm not so sure its cyclical to the point we are getting 10/15 next year. The league needs to address this somehow. I dont know how but this is a basketball league. And now it has its own network. We shouldn't be accepting 5-6 teams getting in let alone 3. This should be an 8-9 bid league every year. If BC is going to kill everyone's NET every year, they gotta go. How much are they helping with the Comcast/ACCN negotiations. Bostonians ringing Comcast off the hook to get Eagle bball?
I may have had a glass or two of scotch myself tonight but sir I must recommend you put the bottle back on the shelf for tonight.
Count me in for that as well. I would take the over 99 or 100 times there.
Also, when the ACC is good, Pitt struggles to make the Tourney as it is. But SMF wants to add freaken Villanova to the mix too? To hurt our chances even more of getting a bid? C’mon now.
Well their biggest contribution to killing Virginia Tech's NET (and Notre Dame's as well) was by beating them. If you actually beat Boston College they really don't kill your NET.
Duquesne with a bad loss today!Yeah, but Duquesne's gonna get in, so that's why he's so happy!
Exactly. BC really isnt that bad of a team. They have some talent. But Christian is a goof-off and they screw around all Nov/Dec and tank their NET so in turn, they are going to kill their ACC opponent's NET by beating them. BC is going to win more games this year if everyone is healthy and their NET will continue to drag everyone down.
The ACC needs to put pressure on them and Wake. Both need to make "WTF," "why would he go there" hires like Buzz/VT.
Pitt hasn’t exactly been the 2000’s-early 10’s Pitt that the ACC signed up for.
The Dukes need to win the A10 tournament, and always have contrary to SMF’s musings.
It gives you hope if anything looking at Pitt’s remaining schedule that they could end up winning a lot of these games that maybe we didn’t think they could such as maybe Virginia Tech or NC State and get to that 8-9 wins in the conference and that 18-19 win mark overall which should be good enough to get Pitt into the NIT.
Although SMF's overall argument is a classic example of immediacy bias at work (focusing on half of a single season in which UNC, for example, has had injury kill their season) and seeing that current status as a long term league certainty) there are still reasons as a Pitt fan to dislike being in the ACC.
The main one is that there are too many teams in the league, and especially given the 20 game league schedule, that may keep a lot of teams like Pitt (even when having a roster strong enough to make the tourney if they played in another league) out of the NCAA tourney in some years.
The main one is that there are too many teams in the league, and especially given the 20 game league schedule, that may keep a lot of teams like Pitt (even when having a roster strong enough to make the tourney if they played in another league) out of the NCAA tourney in some years.
Your mighty big ten hasn’t won a basketball national championship since mateen cleaves and the acc has a problem???
3 out of 15 teams getting in the ACCT is a gigantic problem. That would be the worst percentage of Power 6 conferences ever besides when the Pac 12 got 2 in a couple times. This isnt something the ACC can say "oh, its cyclical" and do nothing. We are talking about a historically bad conference. And for a "basketball conference," that is unacceptable.
How about we just let this play out over a few years. The PAC 12 has a problem because they have dealt with a weak conference for a few years. The ACC is having a down year. Nothing less.
sure is, can’t really have a conference tournament if 12 out of the 15 aren’t invited.
Relax. Conference strength is cyclical. Two years ago the Big 10 got 5 and may get 10 this year. They had no meetings, no meltdowns they just went on with their business. And there definitely no discussion about dropping Rutgers. It's a down year. I'll bet you ACC gets 7 next year right now.
Besides...Lunardi has the ACC with 4 in and VaTech just outside. ACC has a 2 seed and 2 3 seeds. A down year but only an insane alarmist would act like the world is coming to an end.
". . . an insane alarmist . . . ".
Perfect description of the poster you're referring to.
Pitt’s NET only dropped 3 spots to 77 after the loss yesterday. Even if they lose to Duke on Tuesday I still think they can win the next 4 games they have with Miami Notre Dame Georgia Tech and Clemson and possibly get to either 17-8 or 16-9 overall and either 7-7 or 8-6 in the ACC which would definitely put them in good NIT spot and still even with a faint pulse for the NCCA tournament still.
BC? They almost beat Pitt. Pitt which also never makes any big time hires.
Wake? So the ACC should kick out Wake? A traditional ACC team for like 60 years, because their NET is not good? LOL.
They got 5/14. 35.7%. Thats not good but the ACC is in danger of getting only 20% in. That's the 2nd worst ever for P6s behind the Pac 12 (16.7%) and worse than the American and A10 in some years. This is beyond a "its just cyclical problem." You have Wake and BC with garbage coaches. Brownell at Clemson is a good coach but cant overcome recruiting challenges. Pastner at GT isnt going to work out. Larranaga at Miami is hit or miss. No consistency there. Keatts is Mark Gottfried reincarnated. Great recruiter, lousy coach.
The ACC has a big coaching problem. The jury is still out on Capel but there are positive signs here and at VT. Pitt looks like its trying. Im not sure about these other places. Some of these programs need to get more serious.
Of course not Wake. I'd kick out BC and bring in Villanova or maybe UConn, who isnt good now but you can count on them more than BC.
So...there is football played in this league too. Not like BC is 'bama there either, but still...
The irony is this situation is exactly why I said the 20-game schedule was a bad idea. You don't increase the strength of the conference by beating each other up more. The ACC was not competitive with the other P6 leagues in the OOC, and now we're going to get a whole bunch of teams around 10-10.
It would've been a lot better for our teams to go 1-1 or 2-0 against other P6 opponents than dragging each other down. I don't think the goofy method of integrating the first two conference games into the season really helped matters either.
It would've been a lot better for our teams to go 1-1 or 2-0 against other P6 opponents than dragging each other down. I don't think the goofy method of integrating the first two conference games into the season really helped matters either.
I disagree with this. The reality is , based on talent, there are only 3 NCAAT caliber teams. I dont care if you play 10 conference games or 30, that's the reality. NC State has NCAAT talent but a bad coach so maybe 4 NCAAT caliber teams.
When we were in the Big East, the basketball side of the league had 16 teams. That is bigger than the 15 team basketball league of the ACC
They would end up being better than Pitt and we'd have a harder time making the tournament, I'd rather the league be worse and Pitt have a better chance
The ACC needs to have 6-7 teams in that 25-50 range. They would be that. You can beat those teams for Quad 1 wins. As it is, we have 0 teams ranked 25-50 and 3 teams in the Top 16. That is the perfeft recipe for not sending anyone to the NCAAT. You cant beat the Top 3. And teams 4-12 arent good enough to be quality wins.
