Allderdice Dragons

[MarshallGoldberg]

Big win over Mars. One of my kids will be going there in two years so I sort of casually root for our neighborhood team.

Mike White
@mwhiteburgh
10h
Allderdice has two losses - Penn Hills and Penn-Trafford. But Dice has defeated seven WPIAL teams, including No. 1 in 5A, No. 1 in 2A and No. 2 in 6A. “Allderdice might be the best team in Western Pennsylvania right now,” said Mars coach Rob Carmody. ... Whatdya think?

 

[DiehardPanther]

Big win over Mars. One of my kids will be going there in two years so I sort of casually root for our neighborhood team.

Mike White
@mwhiteburgh
10h
Allderdice has two losses - Penn Hills and Penn-Trafford. But Dice has defeated seven WPIAL teams, including No. 1 in 5A, No. 1 in 2A and No. 2 in 6A. “Allderdice might be the best team in Western Pennsylvania right now,” said Mars coach Rob Carmody. ... Whatdya think?

Whatever happened to the Jackson brothers that played there a couple years ago?

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

Big win over Mars. One of my kids will be going there in two years so I sort of casually root for our neighborhood team.

Mike White
@mwhiteburgh
10h
Allderdice has two losses - Penn Hills and Penn-Trafford. But Dice has defeated seven WPIAL teams, including No. 1 in 5A, No. 1 in 2A and No. 2 in 6A. “Allderdice might be the best team in Western Pennsylvania right now,” said Mars coach Rob Carmody. ... Whatdya think?

Might be?

Allderdice is the new city all-star team, isn't it? How is it that they "might be" the best? The city of Pittsburgh cant put 10 kids together to go beat some suburban kids?

 

[MarshallGoldberg]

I think most of the team is in the feeder pattern (Hazelwood, Greenfield, Sq Hill north and south, East Hills, most of Point Breeze, a small part of Homewood.)

 

[Franb]

Might be?

Allderdice is the new city all-star team, isn't it? How is it that they "might be" the best? The city of Pittsburgh cant put 10 kids together to go beat some suburban kids?

Do you have some actual evidence of that, or is it just speculation?

 

[MarshallGoldberg]

And even if it were true, there isn't a sports transfer option. They'd have to get into Dice's magnet program, which is pre-engineering. That has certain course requirements.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

And even if it were true, there isn't a sports transfer option. They'd have to get into Dice's magnet program, which is pre-engineering. That has certain course requirements.

Any kid living in the Pittsburgh School District can go to any HS they want. I dont know the transfer rules but if you are a good middle school player, you are more likely to choose to go to Allderdice to play basketball. Schenley before that

 

[MarshallGoldberg]

Any kid living in the Pittsburgh School District can go to any HS they want.

Hahahahahahahahha ok

 

[pitt2010]

This is all speculation and not true. I happen to know the facts and any kid in the city cannot go to Allderdice. Allderdice has an engineering magnet program where certain kids can go with great scores from around the city but it rarely helps their athletics programs like it did for Perry many years ago in football. Allderdice gets hazelwood, certain parts of east end (homewood) and squirrel hill. Also when Schenley was dominating the WPIAL schools, they were basically all from the Hill District.

There are multiple city league teams spanking rhe wpial teams this year. Carrick and Westinghouse have dominated the WPIAL schools as well.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

This is all speculation and not true. I happen to know the facts and any kid in the city cannot go to Allderdice. Allderdice has an engineering magnet program where certain kids can go with great scores from around the city but it rarely helps their athletics programs like it did for Perry many years ago in football. Allderdice gets hazelwood, certain parts of east end (homewood) and squirrel hill. Also when Schenley was dominating the WPIAL schools, they were basically all from the Hill District.

There are multiple city league teams spanking rhe wpial teams this year. Carrick and Westinghouse have dominated the WPIAL schools as well.

Can you provide me the link which shows what are the ONLY school options for certain neighborhoods.

Kid from the Hill wants to go to Dice. Dice/PSD tells the kid, "no, you have to go to this school." I didn't think that was how it worked

 

[TempleBAPittMPA]

Kid from the Hill wants to go to Dice. Dice/PSD tells the kid, "no, you have to go to this school." I didn't think that was how it worked

I think they'd be more likely to send that kid to Allderdice than to send him across one of the rivers.

 

[316 S Bouquet]

Can you provide me the link which shows what are the ONLY school options for certain neighborhoods.

Kid from the Hill wants to go to Dice. Dice/PSD tells the kid, "no, you have to go to this school." I didn't think that was how it worked

You are assigned schools based on your home address. If a school besides your assigned school has a magnet program, you can apply for the magnet program but those spots are very limited. It's the way it works for PPS, and basically every other school district in the country. Not sure why you would think otherwise.

 

[pitt2010]

I don’t know of a map breakdown but on the website there is an address breakdown. You put an address in and it tells you what your neighborhood’s schools are from Kindergarten thru high school. And unless you qualify for a magnet, you cannot go to another school. Allderdice’s current hoops team is mainly from their feeder middle school. They may have a couple magnet kids but not many.

 

[pitt2010]

You are assigned schools based on your home address. If a school besides your assigned school has a magnet program, you can apply for the magnet program but those spots are very limited. It's the way it works for PPS, and basically every other school district in the country. Not sure why you would think otherwise.

This is correct. As for the Hill, a lot of those kids go to Brashear now that Schenley is closed. Some go to Obama as well.

 

[TempleBAPittMPA]

This is correct. As for the Hill, a lot of those kids go to Brashear now that Schenley is closed. Some go to Obama as well.

Hill District kids were going to Brashear long before Schenley closed. What precipitated that was the closing of Fifth Avenue (remember that one?) simultaneous to the opening of Brashear.

That in of itself is probably the main thing. The old geographical paradigm kind of went away with the closing of several of the high schools of old (Fifth Avenue, Gladstone, Schenley, South Hills, Allegheny, et al. )

 

[pitt2010]

I understand that some Hill kids went there prior to Schenley closing. Most went to Schenley though. I played in the city league when all the schools were still open in the late 90’s early 2000’s. All of those good Schenley teams were from the Hill primarily even though Schenley was a computer magnet.

 

[316 S Bouquet]

I understand that some Hill kids went there prior to Schenley closing. Most went to Schenley though. I played in the city league when all the schools were still open in the late 90’s early 2000’s. All of those good Schenley teams were from the Hill primarily even though Schenley was a computer magnet.

This is correct. The core of both of the great Schenley teams in the 2000s (Higgins/Hawkins/Gerwig/Scooter and then Blair/Kennedy/Kane/Bryant) had been playing together for years. Neither was an all-star team, and I'm not aware of that ever being the case in the City League.

 

[TempleBAPittMPA]

This is correct. The core of both of the great Schenley teams in the 2000s (Higgins/Hawkins/Gerwig/Scooter and then Blair/Kennedy/Kane/Bryant) had been playing together for years. Neither was an all-star team, and I'm not aware of that ever being the case in the City League.

That much is true. Herron Hill Junior High, which after the City converted to middle schools was renamed in honor of Margaret Milliones, had been an incubator of talent for the great Schenley squads going back to the Kenny Durrett/Petie Gibson team of the mid-1960s and the Maurice Lucas/Ricky Coleman/Jeep Kelley team of the early 1970s (all with kids from the neighborhood).

 

[pitt2010]

Ricky Coleman taught me how to play. Great dude and player. He was still a beast even into his 50’s.

 

[MarshallGoldberg]

Can you provide me the link which shows what are the ONLY school options for certain neighborhoods.

Kid from the Hill wants to go to Dice. Dice/PSD tells the kid, "no, you have to go to this school." I didn't think that was how it worked

http://discoverpps.org

Put in a city address in here and it'll take you your school assignments from K through 12.

Both of my kids are PPS. I know the system from my job too. Some magnets are more competitive than other, but magnets are the only way you go to a school outside of your feeder pattern. And Allderdice's magnet program is Pre-Engineering. If everyone could just chose where their kid went to school, Westinghouse would probably just close.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

Can you provide me the link which shows what are the ONLY school options for certain neighborhoods.

Kid from the Hill wants to go to Dice. Dice/PSD tells the kid, "no, you have to go to this school." I didn't think that was how it worked

http://discoverpps.org

Put in a city address in here and it'll take you your school assignments from K through 12.

Both of my kids are PPS. I know the system from my job too. Some magnets are more competitive than other, but magnets are the only way you go to a school outside of your feeder pattern. And Allderdice's magnet program is Pre-Engineering. If everyone could just chose where their kid went to school, Westinghouse would probably just close.

So for the geographical breakdown of old Schenley HS, where do those kids go now?

If you lived on Pitt's campus, what is your HS?

How about Duquesne's campus?

What about the Hill District?

 

[MarshallGoldberg]

So for the geographical breakdown of old Schenley HS, where do those kids go now?

If you lived on Pitt's campus, what is your HS?

How about Duquesne's campus?

What about the Hill District?

The Schenley IB (international baccalaureate) program is at Obama. Schenley for years was sort of split between IB magnet kids and neighborhood kids (obviously some were both.)

Most of the Duquense and Pitt campus' neighborhood schools are University Prep. But if you lived at, say, Joe Hammer Square in further south Oakland you'd go from Greenfield Elementary to Allderdice as your neighborhood school. There isn't a great map online, which is a shame, but there is the tool I linked for you if you want to research this more yourself,

 

[KennyTheKangaroo]

I'm just flummoxed that SMF made sweeping conclusions based on murky information.

 

[PittMBA]

And even if it were true, there isn't a sports transfer option. They'd have to get into Dice's magnet program, which is pre-engineering. That has certain course requirements.

Any kid living in the Pittsburgh School District can go to any HS they want. I dont know the transfer rules but if you are a good middle school player, you are more likely to choose to go to Allderdice to play basketball. Schenley before that

SMF is wrong - Pittsburgh Public school kids can’t simply pick any HS they want . There is system of feeder and magnet schools. Schenley ‘s legendary teams with Blair, Kennedy, Kane were made up of kids who largely lived in the Hill and Schenley was their home school. You’re way off base here.

 

[PittMBA]

This is all speculation and not true. I happen to know the facts and any kid in the city cannot go to Allderdice. Allderdice has an engineering magnet program where certain kids can go with great scores from around the city but it rarely helps their athletics programs like it did for Perry many years ago in football. Allderdice gets hazelwood, certain parts of east end (homewood) and squirrel hill. Also when Schenley was dominating the WPIAL schools, they were basically all from the Hill District.

There are multiple city league teams spanking rhe wpial teams this year. Carrick and Westinghouse have dominated the WPIAL schools as well.

Westinghouse has a really good team this year— they won a tournament in Maryland and have beaten several WPIAl schools. It might be a banner year for the city- Allderdice, Westinghouse , and Carrick have good teams- teams that certainly compete well with the WPIAl schools.

 

[TempleBAPittMPA]

I thought Westinghouse had also closed recently.

 

[PittMBA]

I thought Westinghouse had also closed recently.

Westinghouse is not closed.

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

I thought Westinghouse had also closed recently.

Actually not only did Westinghouse not close, the kids who used to go to Wilkinsburg in grades 7-12 now go to Westinghouse.

 

[SoufOaklin4Life]

Any kid living in the Pittsburgh School District can go to any HS they want. I dont know the transfer rules but if you are a good middle school player, you are more likely to choose to go to Allderdice to play basketball. Schenley before that

That’s simply not true

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

Westinghouse has a really good team this year— they won a tournament in Maryland and have beaten several WPIAl schools. It might be a banner year for the city- Allderdice, Westinghouse , and Carrick have good teams- teams that certainly compete well with the WPIAl schools.

I'm not sold on either Westinghouse or Carrick. Westinghouse has six wins over WPIAL teams, and three of them are against 1A teams and one is against a 2A team. The best WPIAL team they played was Franklin Regional, and FR won that game by 30 points. When they played Allderdice, Allderdice won by 35.

But at least Westinghouse is only a 3A team. Carrick is a 5A team. They have 10 WPIAL wins. Six of them are against 3A teams and two are against 2A teams. Of those 10 teams only two have winning records, the best of which is 3A Shady Side who is all of 8-5. They have built their record on beating up on a lot of bad teams from schools that are smaller than they are, in some cases significantly smaller.

Allderdice, on the other hand, is the real deal. They have played a who's who of good WPIAL teams, and beaten most of them. They have challenged themselves and have mostly met the challenge.

Except when the lost to Penn Trafford. Penn Trafford stinks. How on earth did a team as good as Allderdice lose to a team as bad as Penn Trafford?

 

[KennyTheKangaroo]

All the PT players channeled their inner griffin abels?

 

[recruitsreadtheseboards]

I will be interested this Sunday. My Adapted Mother (alma mater) Highlands plays Allderdice at Montour. Highlands has been a pretty good program over the last 25 years, winning a couple of WPIAL titles and playing in alot of Final 4's, this year they started slow, but the lost to Butler and P-R in 6A (Highlands is 5A) and top 5 Franklin Regional in 5A, which Highlands just beat the other night by 25.

Highlands won the Pittsburgh summer league this past year, beating Allderdice in the Championship game. I can't believe my HS now produces these 6'2 to 6'7" kids with a team that dunks way more than Pitt does.

So will be interesting. Highlands plays anyone, anywhere, so I give them credit. When they schedule out of section, they usually play up or play the very best teams from other classifications like Penn Hills, Butler, Pine Richland, Lincoln Park or Allderdice or Beaver Falls.

 

[PittHobo]

Whatever happened to the Jackson brothers that played there a couple years ago?

football at community college

http://www.post-gazette.com/sports/...e-Richland-Slippery-Rock/stories/201801260009

 

[DiehardPanther]

football at community college

http://www.post-gazette.com/sports/...e-Richland-Slippery-Rock/stories/201801260009

Thanks