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DT_PITT

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** I had a great plan for today.

** I ran around early and did all of my Saturday errands. Then I picked up a couple of six packs of a nearly perfect variety of craft brews.

** This evening I planned to celebrate the Panthers clinching an NCAA berth.

** But more than that, I was looking forward to knowing that a Panther win tonight would have proven that they had taken a small but clear step forward from the team last year who wilted at the end.

** I can't say I was confident that we’d win today. Confidence in this year’s team is a luxury we fans cannot afford. But I confess that I did have a pretty good feeling.

** After the first half, that good feeling continued. It wasn’t a great first half, but at least a good one. The effort was there. The defense was there. The focus was there.

** And even though most of the second half was mostly a dogfight, I still believed we just might win.

** That belief ended at 6:12 when Adam Smith’s three pointer put Georgia Tech in front. From that moment on, I just knew my plan for the day was ruined.

** Like many Pitt fans, many, many emotions are running through my head. But I always end up with one word. Disappointing.

** Very disappointing.

** Adversity. In College Hoops, if not all sports (and even life for that matter), the difference between decent and better than that is what you do with adversity. And after two challenging years, our Panthers still cannot deal with adversity.

** When things are going well, our Panther players can play pretty well. Really well, in fact. But when we go down, our attention to detail on defense ends, and our offensive confidence goes for not.

** Let’s be honest. What I just said above applies to most College Basketball teams. It’s really the nature of the sport. But it’s not the nature of really good teams. And we aren’t one of those.

** We are exactly what we appear to be. That is, a bubble team, but not a single bit better than that.

** Like all Pitt fans, I want to see us win. More than that really, I want to see us win big and compete at the highest levels. The success we’ve had over the last 15 years makes this something it is fair to expect.

** Beyond this, and somehow inside of it too, mostly what I’ve always wanted to see is every Panther team be the best than it can be, and to find ways over the course a the season to always get better.

** At this moment of this disappointing 2015-2016 season, it’s clear we haven’t accomplished either of these two things.

** I’ll refrain from the business of picking at this player or that player, and the cause and effect from each that contributed to today’s loss.

** The real answer to that is that they all were a part of today's loss. And none of them were good enough physically and mentally to get the job done.

** I wish I could tell you I had any real hopes left for this season. Perhaps we’ll win on Wednesday, and that might be enough to get us into the NCAA Tournament. I know I’ll be rooting for this outcome, as I believe that’s still a noteworthy accomplishment. But I’m no longer thinking that there is even enough of a chance these guys will “get it” enough to do much more.

** As for Coach Dixon, let’s get to the point. No, it’s not time for him to go. It just is not.

** Nonetheless, all of the responsibility for the team’s inability to rise above their challenges belongs with him. It comes with the job.

** But through most of his career, he has proven that he can do what it takes to get all of his team to buy into what it he needs them to do it win at a high level.

** And there’s no doubt he hasn’t been able to accomplish this deed with this group.

** Perhaps no coach could have done anymore with this group than Dixon has done. But that matters not, as this is the group he has assembled. That’s half of his job. Regardless of how you look at the equation, it all adds up to 100% of his responsibility.

** And with that, I’d rather resist the critiques saying his biggest error of this game or that game was playing this guy too much or that guy too much, or subbing at the right or wrong moment.

** To me, these aren’t really the point. Instead, the point is that he has a group who are either unable or unwilling to execute at the level where Dixon was able to have players perform previously.

** It’s troubling for me to watch West Virginia currently, and not because I have any particular disdain for WVU Hoops. Instead, a couple of summers ago, I watched so many of those players currently enjoying some high level success for their club right next to so many of the current Panthers. I can say without a doubt that the WVU guys are not more physically talented than our guys.

** But they are clearly different.

** I don’t know what Jamie Dixon’s plan is after today. From what I know of the man, he’ll never stop trying with this group, whether this season ends in about 10 days, or a few days after that.

** But I do know that the current plan isn’t working.

** Very disappointing.
 
The same word kept echoing in my head as well.

Disappointing.

Very disappointing.

During, dare I say, our glory days, we would have won the last 2 games.

If for no other reason than we would have willed it.

This bunch just lacks that will.
 
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** I had a great plan for today.

** I ran around early and did all of my Saturday errands. Then I picked up a couple of six packs of a nearly perfect variety of craft brews.

** This evening I planned to celebrate the Panthers clinching an NCAA berth.

** But more than that, I was looking forward to knowing that a Panther win tonight would have proven that they had taken a small but clear step forward from the team last year who wilted at the end.

** I can't say I was confident that we’d win today. Confidence in this year’s team is a luxury we fans cannot afford. But I confess that I did have a pretty good feeling.

** After the first half, that good feeling continued. It wasn’t a great first half, but at least a good one. The effort was there. The defense was there. The focus was there.

** And even though most of the second half was mostly a dogfight. But I still believed we just might win.

** That belief ended at 6:12 when Adam Smith’s three pointer put Georgia Tech in front. From that moment on, I just knew my plan for the day was ruined.

** Like many Pitt fans, many, many emotions are running through my head. But I always end up with one word. Disappointing.

** Very disappointing.

** Adversity. In College Hoops, if not all sports (and even life for that matter), the difference between decent and better than that is what you do with adversity. And after two challenging years, our Panthers still cannot deal with adversity.

** When things are going well, our Panther players can play pretty well. Really well, in fact. But when we go down, our attention to detail on defense ends, and our offensive confidence goes for not.

** Let’s be honest. What I just said above applies to most College Basketball teams. It’s really the nature of the sport. But it’s not the nature of really good teams. And we aren’t one of those.

** We are exactly what we appear to be. That is, a bubble team, but not a single bit better than that.

** Like all Pitt fans, I want to see us win. More than that really, I want to see us win big and compete at the highest levels. The success we’ve had over the last 15 years makes this something it is fair to expect.

** Beyond this, and somehow inside of it too, mostly what I’ve always wanted to see is every Panther team be the best than it can be, and to find ways over the course a the season to always get better.

** At this moment of this disappointing 2015-2016 season, it’s clear we haven’t accomplished either of these two things.

** I’ll refrain from the business of picking at this player or that player, and the cause and effect from each that contributed to today’s loss.

** The real answer to that is that they all were a part of today loss. And none of them were good enough physically and mentally to get the job done.

** I wish I could tell you I had any real hopes left for this season. Perhaps we’ll win on Wednesday, and that might be enough to get us into the NCAA Tournament. I know I’ll be rooting for this outcome, as I believe that’s still a noteworthy accomplishment. But I’m no longer thinking that there is even enough of a chance these guys will “get it” enough to do much more.

** As for Coach Dixon, let’s get to the point. No, it’s not time for him to go. It’s just not.

** Nonetheless, all of the responsibility for the team’s inability to rise above their challenges belongs with him. It comes with the job.

** But through most of his career, he has proven that he can do what it takes to get all of his team to buy into what it he needs them to do it win at a high level.

** And there’s no doubt he hasn’t been able to accomplish this deed with this group.

** Perhaps no coach could have done anymore with this group than Dixon has done. But that matters not, as this is the group he has assembled. That’s half of his job. Regardless of how you look at the equation, it all adds up to 100% of his responsibility.

** And with that, I’d rather resist the critiques saying his biggest error of this game or that game was playing this guy too much or that guy too much, or subbing at the right or wrong moment.

** To me, these aren’t really the point. Instead, the point is that he has a group who are either unable or unwilling to execute at the level where Dixon was able to have players perform previously.

** It’s troubling for me to watch West Virginia currently, and not because I have any particular disdain for WVU Hoops. Instead, a couple of summers ago, I watched so many of those players currently enjoying some high level success for their club right next to so many of the current Panthers. I can say without a doubt that the WVU guys are not more physically talented than our guys.

** But they are clearly different.

** I don’t know what Jamie Dixon’s plan is after today. From what I know of the man, he’ll never keep trying with this group, whether this season ends in about 10 days, or a few days after that.

** But I do know that the current plan isn’t working.

** Very disappointing.
Dave the major difference with this group from past Dixon teams is I never expect them to win close games down the stretch nor close out bad teams when they go up 8 or so points. Always just feel or expect the worse. No toughness. No leadership. Lack of talent. Not sure. Probably a bit of everything but this bunch us just not a good strong 25 win bunch like Jamie's teams of the past. Those last two games were two of the worst losses of Jamie's tenure. Hard to watch.
 
Dave the major difference with this group from past Dixon teams is I never expect them to win close games down the stretch nor close out bad teams when they go up 8 or so points. Always just feel or expect the worse. No toughness. No leadership. Lack of talent. Not sure. Probably a bit of everything but this bunch us just not a good strong 25 win bunch like Jamie's teams of the past. Those last two games were two of the worst losses of Jamie's tenure. Hard to watch.

I expect they can close game until they fall behind. After that, not at all.
 
I do not like WV, but respect what he is doing. He has a Top 10 team this year, and they will probably be better next year. They are in a more difficult position than us. Huggins has a much better staff, and they are simply out working us in recruiting and on the court.
 
Worse than disappointing.
Expected
NIT

I THOUGHT I saw some things recently that would make me disagree with the notion of "expected."

But NOW, with the NCAA Tournament on the line Wednesday, if I was a betting man ...
 
I do not think having Jamie leave is the answer, but I do believe he needs to be better at recruiting and he does need to recruit his kind of guys. I think next year's class with Kithcart and Manigault is a step in the right direction. This team, and specifically Young, Artis and Jeter, is just maddening to watch and I just can't stand watching guys with this much talent waste it.
 
I do not think having Jamie leave is the answer, but I do believe he needs to be better at recruiting and he does need to recruit his kind of guys. I think next year's class with Kithcart and Manigault is a step in the right direction. This team, and specifically Young, Artis and Jeter, is just maddening to watch and I just can't stand watching guys with this much talent waste it.

Totally agree John.
 
DT, your music tastes and beer tastes are okay by me. The rest of this stuff is just pure entertainment. That is the important stuff! :)

Hell, I think even Souf's beer and music tastes are pretty much on point too. Maybe we should just turn this board into that direction and all get along!
 
DT, your music tastes and beer tastes are okay by me. The rest of this stuff is just pure entertainment. That is the important stuff! :)

Hell, I think even Souf's beer and music tastes are pretty much on point too. Maybe we should just turn this board into that direction and all get along!

Please tell me what is disagreeable with what I said other than you want Dixon fired and I don't.
 
DT, your music tastes and beer tastes are okay by me. The rest of this stuff is just pure entertainment. That is the important stuff! :)

Hell, I think even Souf's beer and music tastes are pretty much on point too. Maybe we should just turn this board into that direction and all get along!
Precisely what in JD's history suggests that he is the coach to stop the slide?
His stellar recruiting? Nope.
His ability to attract top assistants? Nope.
His history of taking 500 teams to greater heights? Nope.
 
I don't know, past 5 years the teams have not been very good, recruiting has dropped considerably(heck Penn State is beating us now in the recruiting rankings) and now it looks like Jamie has no influence at all on this team or last years team.

If that is not calling for a fresh brand new coach with a different gameplan then I don't know when it will ever be. Jamie was a great ambassador for us and had some nice success but that was in a different league and now over 5 years and counting. It's time DT, it's time for Jamie to go.
 
DT, you mentioned WVU and a lot of Pitt fans thumb their nose at WVU and Huggins. First off, I am a Huggins fan. You can say all you want (not you but others) about him and the fact he beat up BB Flenory, but for chrissakes, that happened during the Ford or Carter Administration. Anyone seeing Huggs out there when Desean Butler blew out his knee against Duke in the Final 4 should speak to it all about how he cares about his players.

Anyways, Huggs is a great coach. A Hall of Famer. Of I had the choice, obviously and it is a stupid and silly choice, but I would take Huggins over Jamie as a coach of my basketball team, or....my kid.

That being said, Huggs has almost 40 years as a coach. He has guys like Billy Hahn and Ron Everhart on his staff. He had Jerry Dunn. He has had long time, seasoned coaches, head coaches. If Huggs can have them, than so can Jamie.

Here is where I am with Jamie. Either the staff is completely overhauled (yes that means bye bye Bill Barton and Brandin Knight, and Smoke on the Water) or if not, then fire Jamie and start over.
 
Precisely what in JD's history suggests that he is the coach to stop the slide?
His stellar recruiting? Nope.
His ability to attract top assistants? Nope.
His history of taking 500 teams to greater heights? Nope.

Before entering this debate, I will readily offer that I will offer no certainty that Dixon can stop this slide. In no way, do I know if he can.

But he's had tremendous success previously. THAT is what is in JD's history that suggest he can stop the slide.

It's really that simple.

He has had has enough recruiting to create teams who are #1 seeds.
He has had top assistants who have gone to be head coaches elsewhere.
After seasons that were not highly successful, he has returned with greater seasons.

Am I confident he'll continue with this? All I can say is that I do indeed have my doubts, even if they are nearly to the extent of yours.

But at this point, I think the best chance for the Pitt program is to see if Dixon can turn it around. If he doesn't, it will be clear that it's time for a change.

Right now (and this spring) is not that time.
 
This team has many problems but NO team is going to win when adversity strikes at crunch time in a game with a PG who isn't a leader and can't jump start a team with either his own individual offensive play or by creating for others. Our execution when we really need a big, big bucket is beyond abysmal. We are at our worst when we need a big basket and it starts with the PG. In his defense, our PG hasn't had a running mate at the 2 worth a $hit which places even more pressure on him, perhaps an inordinate amount of pressure. In too many conference games, our guards as a tandem have been just terrible. Who are you going to beat with the shooting stats our guards have delivered the last 2 games?
 
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Please tell me what is disagreeable with what I said other than you want Dixon fired and I don't.

Nothing but that is a pretty big thing. Right? I think Jamie has run his course here. Either all his assistants goes, or he goes. That would be my position as AD.
 
Before entering this debate, I will readily offer that I will offer no certainty that Dixon can stop this slide. In no way, do I know if he can.

But he's had tremendous success previously. THAT is what is in JD's history that suggest he can stop the slide.

It's really that simple.

He has had has enough recruiting to create teams who are #1 seeds.
He has had top assistants who have gone to be head coaches elsewhere.
After seasons that were not highly successful, he has returned with greater seasons.

Am I confident he'll continue with this? All I can say is that I do indeed have my doubts, even if they are nearly to the extent of yours.

But at this point, I think the best chance for the Pitt program is to see if Dixon can turn it around. If he doesn't, it will be clear that it's time for a change.

Right now (and this spring) is not that time.
My only observation is that it's easier to maintain positive momentum than it is to turn things around with a team so that this will be a test that Dixon hasn't faced and I don't know he's up to it. I'd feel better if he had a couple off experienced assts. by his side.
 
DT, you mentioned WVU and a lot of Pitt fans thumb their nose at WVU and Huggins. First off, I am a Huggins fan. You can say all you want (not you but others) about him and the fact he beat up BB Flenory, but for chrissakes, that happened during the Ford or Carter Administration. Anyone seeing Huggs out there when Desean Butler blew out his knee against Duke in the Final 4 should speak to it all about how he cares about his players.

Anyways, Huggs is a great coach. A Hall of Famer. Of I had the choice, obviously and it is a stupid and silly choice, but I would take Huggins over Jamie as a coach of my basketball team, or....my kid.

That being said, Huggs has almost 40 years as a coach. He has guys like Billy Hahn and Ron Everhart on his staff. He had Jerry Dunn. He has had long time, seasoned coaches, head coaches. If Huggs can have them, than so can Jamie.

Here is where I am with Jamie. Either the staff is completely overhauled (yes that means bye bye Bill Barton and Brandin Knight, and Smoke on the Water) or if not, then fire Jamie and start over.

I will say to you what I've always said.

The program won at such a high level for so many years because of Dixon. Period.

Not because he had some assistants "carrying him."

The program is not having the same success right now because of Dixon. Period.
 
Expectations have risen over the last few years. Being 45-45 in conference over the last 5 years indicates average. The head coach recruits the players and along with the staff coaches them up and makes them better. Dixon is responsible. Here comes Clemson and Virginia Tech passing us up. North Carolina State kicking our ass at home this year. Artis telling the world we are a better team than Duke.

Pathetic.
 
My only observation is that it's easier to maintain positive momentum than it is to turn things around with a team so that this will be a test that Dixon hasn't faced and I don't know he's up to it. I'd feel better if he had a couple off experienced assts. by his side.

I understand your point, even if I don't agree.

But to me, assistants are not needed to make a difference. All the differences need to be made by Dixon. Accordingly, if he feels he needs some sort of help, that's on him too.
 
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Jason Pinkston's tweet from earlier has since been deleted. Numerous posts were also deleted immediately on here. Usually where there is smoke there is fire. If any of it is true, that is why this team is where it is at.
1 of many reasons I'm sure.
 
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I will say to you what I've always said.

The program won at such a high level for so many years because of Dixon. Period.

Not because he had some assistants "carrying him."

The program is not having the same success right now because of Dixon. Period.
well they may not have "carried"him as regards recruiting and game strategy but given the downturn the last 5 years in both areas, it doesn't seem appropriate to outright reject the idea that they contributed to Pitt's success. Howe else does one explain this decline?
 
Nothing but that is a pretty big thing. Right? I think Jamie has run his course here. Either all his assistants goes, or he goes. That would be my position as AD.

Pederson took that position as AD and hurt things.

Dixon either can turn it around or he can't. It's all on him. He has his way, and that way will work or it won't.

But in no way do I think somehow that Dixon isn't good enough, and only some better assistants will help him be good enough. If he thinks he needs new assistants, that's on him too.

We was good enough for a long time became of HIS ABILITY -- not because assistants where masking his deficiencies all along.

And the lack of success he is having right now is all on him too.
 
I see every team extend games by driving to the hoop at the end of games or at least getting open looks at threes, the last two times Pitt had the ball, they threw up contested off balance three pointers that had zero chance.
 
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I will say to you what I've always said.

The program won at such a high level for so many years because of Dixon. Period.

Not because he had some assistants "carrying him."

The program is not having the same success right now because of Dixon. Period.

Here's where I will disagree with you some. Not trying to throw mud and just looking at what you said. We achieved the high levels first with Ben. Ben Howland. Jamie as an Assistant. Slice. Lombardi. Sandle. Then as it transitioned....Jamie...Slice...Lombardi...Rice...Jamie....Rice...Herrion..etc,... Ben's staff had a "Gangsta" like quality to it. Slice had the Soprano's look and connections, so did Lombardi. Jamie was a young, good looking Jay Wright guy. We were the cool kids. And it was passed over to Jamie. He had the same kids, the same coaches...they took and ran with it. But eventually they all left because of eligibility and promotions.

Now here we are. After 2 #1 seeds, we are no longer the "cool" kids, no longer the staff that is ruffling Boeheim or Calhoun's feathers on the recruiting trail. No longer outcoaching teams, no longer out working teams.

There is windows. And shelf lives. And it appears that just maybe Jamie has it here, maybe it is best for all for a change of scenery. This program was great because it was great. It became great before Jamie was coach. Jamie inherited some greatness. He built on this, but now he is falling or failing on this greatness. So..........
 
Pederson took that position as AD and hurt things.

Dixon either can turn it around or he can't. It's all on him. He has his way, and that way will work or it won't.

But in no way do I think somehow that Dixon isn't good enough, and only some better assistants will help him be good enough. If he thinks he needs new assistants, that's on him too.

We was good enough for a long time became of HIS ABILITY -- not because assistants where masking his deficiencies all along.

And the lack of success he is having right now is all on him too.
You're right, forget the assistants. It's Jamie and it's time to go.
 
I see every team extend games by driving to the hoop at the end of games or at least getting open looks at threes, the last two times Pitt had the ball, they threw up contested off balance three pointers that had zero chance.
They have no set play or anything in crunch time. It's like they have no clue what they are doing or what to do. Chris Jones didn't need to shoot that 3 with 23 seconds left for example. The team is not coached well, they really aren't.
 
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well they may not have "carried"him as regards recruiting and game strategy but given the downturn the last 5 years in both areas, it doesn't seem appropriate to outright reject the idea that they contributed to Pitt's success. Howe else does one explain this decline?

The lack of success is most easily attributed to a 2011 recruiting class that bombed out.

A 2012 recruiting class that had Steve Adams leave, a reach in Jones that hasn't come fully to fruition, and a solid recruit in James who never took the step to being a high level player.

A 2013 class that had two talented, but very enigmatic players in Mike and Jamel, and another who is gone.

A 2014 class with two players who could be pretty good when they are done, but still are not at that level yet.
 
Pederson took that position as AD and hurt things.

Dixon either can turn it around or he can't. It's all on him. He has his way, and that way will work or it won't.

But in no way do I think somehow that Dixon isn't good enough, and only some better assistants will help him be good enough. If he thinks he needs new assistants, that's on him too.

We was good enough for a long time became of HIS ABILITY -- not because assistants where masking his deficiencies all along.

And the lack of success he is having right now is all on him too.
Just don't see how you can unequivocally reach those conclusions. No team succeeds EXCLUSIVELY because of the HC. None!
 
Jason Pinkston's tweet from earlier has since been deleted. Numerous posts were also deleted immediately on here. Usually where there is smoke there is fire. If any of it is true, that is why this team is where it is at.
What did the tweet say?
 
They have no set play or anything in crunch time. It's like they have no clue what they are doing or what to do. Chris Jones didn't need to shoot that 3 with 23 seconds left for example. The team is not coached well, they really aren't.

I'm not going to disagree with the notion that this team does not appear that it is coached well.
 
The lack of success is most easily attributed to a 2011 recruiting class that bombed out.

A 2012 recruiting class that had Steve Adams leave, a reach in Jones that hasn't come fully to fruition, and a solid recruit in James who never took the step to being a high level player.

A 2013 class that had two talented, but very enigmatic players in Mike and Jamel, and another who is gone.

A 2014 class with two players who could be pretty good when they are done, but still are not at that level yet.
OK, I get the downturn in recruiting but at what program can you attribute a downturn in recruiting exclusively to the HC? The HC is NORMALLY the most important guy in recruiting but honestly i don't know if that's ever been true with Dixon. He's never had the qualities you see in the game's best recruiters.
 
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