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Just don't see how you can unequivocally reach those conclusions. No team succeeds EXCLUSIVELY because of the HC. None!

Perhaps my words sound too unequivocal and that's not my intention. But Dixon will get things back or he won't. If he needs a better staff to help get back there, that's on him.
 
Now I am confused lol. You are agreeing with me on this point?

Yes, I'm agreeing that this team does not appear to be coached well, but that does not mean I think it's time for Dixon to be fired.
 
Pederson took that position as AD and hurt things.

Dixon either can turn it around or he can't. It's all on him. He has his way, and that way will work or it won't.

But in no way do I think somehow that Dixon isn't good enough, and only some better assistants will help him be good enough. If he thinks he needs new assistants, that's on him too.

We was good enough for a long time became of HIS ABILITY -- not because assistants where masking his deficiencies all along.

And the lack of success he is having right now is all on him too.
JD is not a good recruiter. Without good assistants he will not bring this program back to where it once was.
 
Honestly, beside notre dame who have we beaten on the road? Because, quite frankly that's how you determine a quality team. Boston college almost beat North Carolina at home. Kansas state bear Oklahoma at home. As much as SOME people want to laud Dixon he had preyed off a weak non conference schedule and wins his home games.
 
Before entering this debate, I will readily offer that I will offer no certainty that Dixon can stop this slide. In no way, do I know if he can.

But he's had tremendous success previously. THAT is what is in JD's history that suggest he can stop the slide.

It's really that simple.

He has had has enough recruiting to create teams who are #1 seeds.
He has had top assistants who have gone to be head coaches elsewhere.
After seasons that were not highly successful, he has returned with greater seasons.

Am I confident he'll continue with this? All I can say is that I do indeed have my doubts, even if they are nearly to the extent of yours.

But at this point, I think the best chance for the Pitt program is to see if Dixon can turn it around. If he doesn't, it will be clear that it's time for a change.

Right now (and this spring) is not that time.
I won't argue the point, but I see it coming down to Hope.
 
Yes, I'm agreeing that this team does not appear to be coached well, but that does not mean I think it's time for Dixon to be fired.
Ok but I will just say this. The last 2 games there were glaring deficiencies in Jamie's in-game adjustments(not going inside more with foul happy refs) and the end of today's game. That to me is worrisome my friend.
 
Dixon is just a self-contradiction currently. He earned his reputation w/ 3-star guys like Wanamaker, Brown, Fields, etc. and really turning them into complete players (as much as that is possible). You compare that w/ a guy like Artis who continually refuses to exert effort on the defensive side of the ball. In years past - this guy would be gone. Now, he's the guy being the spokesman for the team to the press. What is wrong w/ this picture?
 
Honestly, beside notre dame who have we beaten on the road? Because, quite frankly that's how you determine a quality team. Boston college almost beat North Carolina at home. Kansas state bear Oklahoma at home. As much as SOME people want to laud Dixon he had preyed off a weak non conference schedule and wins his home games.
Um Syracuse and Davidson. Yay.
 
To paraphrase - one of our players spends more time at the casino playing craps than hooping.
Ouch! Not good Zeke. Thanks for the reply.

A hoop team needs to be a family for it to succeed.
 
Ok but I will just say this. The last 2 games there were glaring deficiencies in Jamie's in-game adjustments(not going inside more with foul happy refs) and the end of today's game. That to me is worrisome my friend.

And I won't disagree that it's worrisome. But it's not as if Dixon doesn't know what to tell a tell to do during a game.

He's proven that he's excellent as this.

However, lately his team have not executed, and that is on him too.
 
And I won't disagree that it's worrisome. But it's not as if Dixon doesn't know what to tell a tell to do during a game.

He's proven that he's excellent as this.

However, lately his team have not executed, and that is on him too.
Fair points.
 
They have no set play or anything in crunch time. It's like they have no clue what they are doing or what to do. Chris Jones didn't need to shoot that 3 with 23 seconds left for example. The team is not coached well, they really aren't.
I also wondered why after putting on a press that I believe resulted in a timeout and then a turnover and two easy points for Pitt, it was called off, GT looked confused, was this discussed at all?
 
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Dixon is just a self-contradiction currently. He earned his reputation w/ 3-star guys like Wanamaker, Brown, Fields, etc. and really turning them into complete players (as much as that is possible). You compare that w/ a guy like Artis who continually refuses to exert effort on the defensive side of the ball. In years past - this guy would be gone. Now, he's the guy being the spokesman for the team to the press. What is wrong w/ this picture?

Understandable question.
 
I also wondered why after putting on a press that I believe resulted in a timeout and then a turnover and two easy points for Pitt, it was called off, GT looked confused, was this discussed at all?

Because you really didn't need to press after cutting the lead to 2 with 1:39 remaining. You just needed to play defense, and that actually what happened. Ga Tech missed on that possession and we had the ball with a chance to tie (or lead) with over a minute to go and Sheldon missed a three on Pitt's following possession.
 
Ouch! Not good Zeke. Thanks for the reply.

A hoop team needs to be a family for it to succeed.

Shere -- I don't think it's a good idea to get into the Jamel rumor, whether it's true or not. But a team does need to be a family to succeed. From everything I've heard, there are not disagreements among the teammates.

But there's no denying that the chemistry is not what it needs to be, whatever the reason.
 
** I had a great plan for today.

** I ran around early and did all of my Saturday errands. Then I picked up a couple of six packs of a nearly perfect variety of craft brews.

** This evening I planned to celebrate the Panthers clinching an NCAA berth.

** But more than that, I was looking forward to knowing that a Panther win tonight would have proven that they had taken a small but clear step forward from the team last year who wilted at the end.

** I can't say I was confident that we’d win today. Confidence in this year’s team is a luxury we fans cannot afford. But I confess that I did have a pretty good feeling.

** After the first half, that good feeling continued. It wasn’t a great first half, but at least a good one. The effort was there. The defense was there. The focus was there.

** And even though most of the second half was mostly a dogfight, I still believed we just might win.

** That belief ended at 6:12 when Adam Smith’s three pointer put Georgia Tech in front. From that moment on, I just knew my plan for the day was ruined.

** Like many Pitt fans, many, many emotions are running through my head. But I always end up with one word. Disappointing.

** Very disappointing.

** Adversity. In College Hoops, if not all sports (and even life for that matter), the difference between decent and better than that is what you do with adversity. And after two challenging years, our Panthers still cannot deal with adversity.

** When things are going well, our Panther players can play pretty well. Really well, in fact. But when we go down, our attention to detail on defense ends, and our offensive confidence goes for not.

** Let’s be honest. What I just said above applies to most College Basketball teams. It’s really the nature of the sport. But it’s not the nature of really good teams. And we aren’t one of those.

** We are exactly what we appear to be. That is, a bubble team, but not a single bit better than that.

** Like all Pitt fans, I want to see us win. More than that really, I want to see us win big and compete at the highest levels. The success we’ve had over the last 15 years makes this something it is fair to expect.

** Beyond this, and somehow inside of it too, mostly what I’ve always wanted to see is every Panther team be the best than it can be, and to find ways over the course a the season to always get better.

** At this moment of this disappointing 2015-2016 season, it’s clear we haven’t accomplished either of these two things.

** I’ll refrain from the business of picking at this player or that player, and the cause and effect from each that contributed to today’s loss.

** The real answer to that is that they all were a part of today's loss. And none of them were good enough physically and mentally to get the job done.

** I wish I could tell you I had any real hopes left for this season. Perhaps we’ll win on Wednesday, and that might be enough to get us into the NCAA Tournament. I know I’ll be rooting for this outcome, as I believe that’s still a noteworthy accomplishment. But I’m no longer thinking that there is even enough of a chance these guys will “get it” enough to do much more.

** As for Coach Dixon, let’s get to the point. No, it’s not time for him to go. It just is not.

** Nonetheless, all of the responsibility for the team’s inability to rise above their challenges belongs with him. It comes with the job.

** But through most of his career, he has proven that he can do what it takes to get all of his team to buy into what it he needs them to do it win at a high level.

** And there’s no doubt he hasn’t been able to accomplish this deed with this group.

** Perhaps no coach could have done anymore with this group than Dixon has done. But that matters not, as this is the group he has assembled. That’s half of his job. Regardless of how you look at the equation, it all adds up to 100% of his responsibility.

** And with that, I’d rather resist the critiques saying his biggest error of this game or that game was playing this guy too much or that guy too much, or subbing at the right or wrong moment.

** To me, these aren’t really the point. Instead, the point is that he has a group who are either unable or unwilling to execute at the level where Dixon was able to have players perform previously.

** It’s troubling for me to watch West Virginia currently, and not because I have any particular disdain for WVU Hoops. Instead, a couple of summers ago, I watched so many of those players currently enjoying some high level success for their club right next to so many of the current Panthers. I can say without a doubt that the WVU guys are not more physically talented than our guys.

** But they are clearly different.

** I don’t know what Jamie Dixon’s plan is after today. From what I know of the man, he’ll never stop trying with this group, whether this season ends in about 10 days, or a few days after that.

** But I do know that the current plan isn’t working.

** Very disappointing.

I agree with your key word...disappointing. I thought this team had a chance at the beginning of the year to be pretty good....not great mind you, but pretty darned good. Obviously, that hasn't happened.

I would add a second word that comes to mind right now regarding this program...disturbing. Disturbing because we're seeing teams that simply do not get better as the season progresses. In fact, they get worse. Disturbing because our recruiting is way below what one could reasonably expect from a program in a premier conference, with great facilities, and at least some history of success. Disturbing because the program is clearly in a downward trend and it's not just this year. If Pitt were a stock, we have already crossed our 200 day moving average.

You mentioned that it's not time for Dixon to go and I agree with that for at least two reasons; first, it's not clear that anyone who would be a significant upgrade is chomping at the bit to come to Pitt. Secondly, it's a moot point because Pitt isn't about to buy out the remaining years on Dixon's contract. My biggest fear is that we simply have to sit and watch as the program slowly deteriorates while Dixon plays out his final years.

Sorry to be so grim, but nothing I'm seeing right now gives me cause for optimism. I pray that I'm completely wrong.

Cruzer
 
Shere -- I don't think it's a good idea to get into the Jamel rumor, whether it's true or not. But I team does need to be a family to succeed. From everything I've heard, there are not disagreements among the teammates.

But there's no denying that the chemistry is not what it needs to be, whatever the reason.
When is the last time we had really good team chemistry?
 
Because you really didn't need to press after cutting the lead to 2 with 1:39 remaining. You just needed to play defense, and that actually what happened. Ga Tech missed on that possession and we had the ball with a chance to tie (or lead) with over a minute to go and Sheldon missed a three on Pitt's following possession.
thanks for the response, I don't agree though, still down two and the press was working, I would have kept it on,but, thats why Jamie gets the big bucks.
 
thanks for the response, I don't agree though, still down two and the press was working, I would have kept it on,but, thats why Jamie gets the big bucks.

It's a debatable point for sure. The point is, we made a stop either way.
 
So sad. I live in dc and have no desire to see this team soil itself wednesday.
 
And we r road kills next yr with home and away against cuse ville unc and miami
 
I don't know what the solution is, but this is the most disillusioned I've ever felt with the basketball program. I wasn't a Pitt fan until I graduated from HS in 2001, so no, I didn't experience the dark years, but things are not good regardless.
 
No, its really slipped and Pitt's perception is starting to take a hit. It can be turned around, but they really need to pull something out of a hat asap. Disappointing.
 
Dixon is just a self-contradiction currently. He earned his reputation w/ 3-star guys like Wanamaker, Brown, Fields, etc. and really turning them into complete players (as much as that is possible). You compare that w/ a guy like Artis who continually refuses to exert effort on the defensive side of the ball. In years past - this guy would be gone. Now, he's the guy being the spokesman for the team to the press. What is wrong w/ this picture?


There should be a thread put out on this topic alone.

Levance Fields was the NY State player of the year and his team won the toughest high school basketball league in the country.

Brad Wanamaker did the same thing at Roman Catholic.

Sam Young did the same thing at Hargrave Military.

There is a fine line difference between a 3 star recruit and what they accomplished at the high school level, and another 3 or even 4 star recruit that accomplished much less.

You knew ahead of time these 3 players coming into the Pitt program were the real deal. And for the flack Wanamaker took as a freshmen, he by no means sucked as a freshmen or sophomore.

You look at the players we have brought in these recent years and they aren't even close to having accomplished the same thing as the 3 above in high school.

It is one of the the primary reasons people should be jacked up about Kithcart coming in. He is in line with those 3 above in terms of accomplishments entering Pitt.

Good stats vs good competition and winning State Championships mean winners.

Average stats with a average high school record with giving up 100 points per game on defense means red flag entering Pitt.

Fine line difference.
 
I agree with your key word...disappointing. I thought this team had a chance at the beginning of the year to be pretty good....not great mind you, but pretty darned good. Obviously, that hasn't happened.

I would add a second word that comes to mind right now regarding this program...disturbing. Disturbing because we're seeing teams that simply do not get better as the season progresses. In fact, they get worse. Disturbing because our recruiting is way below what one could reasonably expect from a program in a premier conference, with great facilities, and at least some history of success. Disturbing because the program is clearly in a downward trend and it's not just this year. If Pitt were a stock, we have already crossed our 200 day moving average.

You mentioned that it's not time for Dixon to go and I agree with that for at least two reasons; first, it's not clear that anyone who would be a significant upgrade is chomping at the bit to come to Pitt. Secondly, it's a moot point because Pitt isn't about to buy out the remaining years on Dixon's contract. My biggest fear is that we simply have to sit and watch as the program slowly deteriorates while Dixon plays out his final years.

Sorry to be so grim, but nothing I'm seeing right now gives me cause for optimism. I pray that I'm completely wrong.

Cruzer

You know what a dilemma is?
 
There should be a thread put out on this topic alone.

Levance Fields was the NY State player of the year and his team won the toughest high school basketball league in the country.

Brad Wanamaker did the same thing at Roman Catholic.

Sam Young did the same thing at Hargrave Military.

There is a fine line difference between a 3 star recruit and what they accomplished at the high school level, and another 3 or even 4 star recruit that accomplished much less.

You knew ahead of time these 3 players coming into the Pitt program were the real deal. And for the flack Wanamaker took as a freshmen, he by no means sucked as a freshmen or sophomore.

You look at the players we have brought in these recent years and they aren't even close to having accomplished the same thing as the 3 above in high school.

It is one of the the primary reasons people should be jacked up about Kithcart coming in. He is in line with those 3 above in terms of accomplishments entering Pitt.

Good stats vs good competition and winning State Championships mean winners.

Average stats with a average high school record with giving up 100 points per game on defense means red flag entering Pitt.

Fine line difference.

Agree, and I sure hope you are right about Kithcart.
 
I see every team extend games by driving to the hoop at the end of games or at least getting open looks at threes, the last two times Pitt had the ball, they threw up contested off balance three pointers that had zero chance.
Another thing-when we are losing a very close game under a minute, we aren't able to play fast enough at the offensive end, primarily because of our PG. We take way too much time, too many guys handle the ball, and we don't get the ball to the rim where we can at least draw contact, get to the line and extend the end of the game. We just don't seem to be capable of that. This team, from the PG on down, is not built to finish a tight game, especially if we're behind.
 
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