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At this point, why would Miller lie?

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Honestly, watch his press conference. He was extremely definitive and specific. He even said he was only offered to pay for a player one time in his career and he said no.

So, my question is, lets say he is 100% lying and the wiretap exists, what good does it do him to lie like this knowing the FBI has the wiretap and other evidence on him. I just dont get why he would lie.
 
Sean Miller Fan said:
Honestly, watch his press conference. He was extremely definitive and specific. He even said he was only offered to pay for a player one time in his career and he said no.

So, my question is, lets say he is 100% lying and the wiretap exists, what good does it do him to lie like this knowing the FBI has the wiretap and other evidence on him. I just dont get why he would lie.
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Lance Armstrong, Richard Nixon, Bill Clinton to name a few.
 
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FireballZ said:
Hillary, Pitino, Barnes.
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None of you get it. Of course people lie but in none of those cases are there video or audio tapes which shows you doing the thing you are lying about. People lie when the truth cant be proven or at least they believe the truth cant be proven. Allegedly, there is a tape that proves Miller's guilt and he says no there isn't. The Az admin believes him so much so that they realize if it comes out that he's lying to them, they are all going to be fired for continuing to employ a criminal.

A lot of you have to come to grips with the fact that there probably isn't a Miller tape. And because of that Pitt would be insane not to hire him.
 
Sean Miller Fan said:
None of you get it. Of course people lie but in none of those cases are there video or audio tapes which shows you doing the thing you are lying about. People lie when the truth cant be proven or at least they believe the truth cant be proven. Allegedly, there is a tape that proves Miller's guilt and he says no there isn't. The Az admin believes him so much so that they realize if it comes out that he's lying to them, they are all going to be fired for continuing to employ a criminal.

A lot of you have to come to grips with the fact that there probably isn't a Miller tape. And because of that Pitt would be insane not to hire him.
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There are thousands upon thousands of examples of people lying despite there being mountains of evidence against them, including tapes of them even actually doing the illegal activity.
 
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Jpripper88 said:
There are thousands upon thousands of examples of peyote lying despite there being mountains of evidence against them, including tapes of them even actually doing the illegal activity.
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That's the explanation! Sean has been partaking of some of those "natural substances" out there in Arizona.
 
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And because of that Pitt would be insane not to hire him.
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We legitimately had a head coaching vacancy not that long ago, how did we end up with stallings? Either Pitt knew this was coming out and wanted to wait and see what happened, Pitt just wouldn't hire him for whatever their reasons may be, or Sean Miller flat out has zero interest in ever coaching at Pitt.

Option 3 is the most likely. Saying Pitt should hire Miller is a million times easier than them actually doing it. Sure we'd all love to see it happen right now, it's pretty much a pipe dream though. I could still see the day when Sean begs Pitt for a job, but he'd have to be in hotter water than he is now. He looks to be safe at the moment and he's going to continue coaching at Arizona. Although it doesn't really hurt to ask.... again, (if Barnes really even did reach out to him before.)

If Pitt feels Sean is in the clear, yeah it'd be disappointing to hire a nobody if they didn't even ask him first. We can't just hold them to the expectation of actually hiring the guy though because he has a much, much better job already and likely would turn us down.
 
Sean Miller Fan said:
Honestly, watch his press conference. He was extremely definitive and specific. He even said he was only offered to pay for a player one time in his career and he said no.

So, my question is, lets say he is 100% lying and the wiretap exists, what good does it do him to lie like this knowing the FBI has the wiretap and other evidence on him. I just dont get why he would lie.
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SO he can keep coaching for the time being? If it turns out that the reported issues with his contract aren't nearly as bad as they seemed and firing him with cause won't impact the university nearly as financially, he makes more $$$$ staying on as coach? EVen if he is inevitably charged by the FBI, that may not come for months or even years. Make $$$$ while you can.

He literally has every incentive in the world to lie.
 
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I am finding out that college basketball coaches are better and more brazen liars than politicians. Look at Pitino. Look at the broadcasters defending him. I have no doubt what Miller said, exactly was the truth. The key point, "exactly".

And anyone thinking Assistant Coaches are paying, organizing paying and perks for recruits without the Head Coach knowing and giving approval is stupid and naive beyond belief. I have no doubt what Miller said, parsing each word and sentence is true. I also have little doubt that Arizona under Sean Miller is paying players.
 
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recruitsreadtheseboards said:
I am finding out that college basketball coaches are better and more brazen liars than politicians. Look at Pitino. Look at the broadcasters defending him. I have no doubt what Miller said, exactly was the truth. The key point, "exactly".

And anyone thinking Assistant Coaches are paying, organizing paying and perks for recruits without the Head Coach knowing and giving approval is stupid and naive beyond belief. I have no doubt what Miller said, parsing each word and sentence is true. I also have little doubt that Arizona under Sean Miller is paying players.
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in the end, he just has no incentive not to lie about it. A press conference is not under oath, so its not like he is going to get an added Perjury charge out of it.
 
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recruitsreadtheseboards said:
I am finding out that college basketball coaches are better and more brazen liars than politicians. Look at Pitino. Look at the broadcasters defending him. I have no doubt what Miller said, exactly was the truth. The key point, "exactly".

And anyone thinking Assistant Coaches are paying, organizing paying and perks for recruits without the Head Coach knowing and giving approval is stupid and naive beyond belief. I have no doubt what Miller said, parsing each word and sentence is true. I also have little doubt that Arizona under Sean Miller is paying players.
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Right exactly correct.
 
h2p012 said:
SO he can keep coaching for the time being? If it turns out that the reported issues with his contract aren't nearly as bad as they seemed and firing him with cause won't impact the university nearly as financially, he makes more $$$$ staying on as coach? EVen if he is inevitably charged by the FBI, that may not come for months or even years. Make $$$$ while you can.

He literally has every incentive in the world to lie.
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Rovell was way off base about the buyout. He essentially gets nothing if it is a with cause firing.
 
Jpripper88 said:
Rovell was way off base about the buyout. He essentially gets nothing if it is a with cause firing.
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there were many people reporting it, including others who actually reported the specific language of the deal, not just Rovell.

I still think its kind of up in the air with his contract, if the wording is as reported by others, it is certainly up for debate.

None of that changes the fact that Miller still makes more if he is employed however, which would give him every incentive to lie his ass off right now.
 
bobfree said:
People lie and lie and lie some more.

He will continue to lie. And when the tape comes out he will lie then.
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we are left to decide who is telling the truth here..ESPN (thee of the Duke Lacrosse expose) unnamed source or Miller (sleazy coach)....toss up. Based on the evidence at hand, Arizona, has apparently decided their pick on this. So has Sports Illustrated.

I'll reserve judgement and make some popcorn. I'm in no hurry.
 
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upj87 said:
we are left to decide who is telling the truth here..ESPN or Miller....toss up.
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Here is the thing I think will help you:

It literally doesn't matter if ESPN was the one wrong here, it doesn't change the fact Miller is directly tied to the FBI cheating scandal. People are missing that.
 
I can't believe the FBI...presently under a tremendous amount of scrutiny ....would bring this story to light if there was nothing there.

At the same time....I do believe Miller's legal counsel is advising him to simply deny all allegations.

At this point....the greatest mystery in this ongoing saga is why SMF continues to pleasure himself with the misguided wet dream that Miller will end up here .
 
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Here is the thing I think will help you:

It literally doesn't matter if ESPN was the one wrong here, it doesn't change the fact Miller is directly tied to the FBI cheating scandal. People are missing that.
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FBI cheating scandal? How the hell did that Steele dossier get involved here?

guilty until proven innocent, eh? I'm guessing the U of Arizona might know a little more about the depth of his involvement one way or the other. No one knows anything about anything at this point....like I said, I'll reserve judgement...
 
upj87 said:
guilty until proven innocent, eh? No one knows anything about anything at this point....like I said, I'll reserve judgement...
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The eyes of the public are not the eyes of Justice.

The eyes of the public see Miller's LONGTIME assistant (10+years, practically his entire HC career) get busted for paying players and facing 60 years in prison.

You can reserve judgement all you want, but as AD, Lyke kind of has a big responsibility in keeping people who may be/likely are subject to federal indictments as far away as possible from the university.

So no, in the legal sense he is innocent until a Jury of his Peers finds him guilty.... But in the real world that is irrelevant.
 
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The eyes of the public are not the eyes of Justice.

The eyes of the public see Miller's LONGTIME assistant (10+years, practically his entire HC career) get busted for paying players and facing 60 years in prison.

You can reserve judgement all you want, but as AD, Lyke kind of has a big responsibility in keeping people who may be/likely are subject to federal indictments as far away as possible from the university.

So no, in the legal sense he is innocent until a Jury of his Peers finds him guilty.... But in the real world that is irrelevant.
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LONGTIME assistant is not Miller ...Man, throwing out all kinds of nation founding principles this fine cyclonic bomb morning with the bath water......
I'm not talking about Miller's employment status in Western PA. Dumb, meaningless topic. Two days ago he was on tape offering caseh Two days late, that appears not to be the case.
 
upj87 said:
LONGTIME assistant is not Miller ...Man, throwing out all kinds of nation founding principles this fine morning with the bath water......
I'm not talking about Miller's employment status in Western PA. Dumb, meaningless topic. Two days ago he was on tape offering caseh Two days late, that appears not to be the case.
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Again, the hiring of Coaches is NOT a court of law. Innocent until proven Guilty is NOT applicable in this instance.

His longtime assistant is just going to go out and pay players without Miller knowing?

Ok, so Miller hires an assistant who ends up in prison for 60 years, of a crime that is directly related to cheating, its not like he is indicted for a non-Basketball related crime. This is directly related to giving Arizona and Miller a tangible benefit.

At best, if Miller didn't know, he is wildly incompetent. At best.

Lyke, or any other AD can not wait for this situation to play out. They have to acknowledge the very real (likely) possibility that Miller gets further tangled in the FBI web. Book Richardson is about to just take 60 years in Federal Prison without trying to get that setence reduced... and you know the easiest way to get it reduce? Book is going to start singing, and you know the guy he'll have the most dirt on? Miller.
 
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there were many people reporting it, including others who actually reported the specific language of the deal, not just Rovell.

I still think its kind of up in the air with his contract, if the wording is as reported by others, it is certainly up for debate.

None of that changes the fact that Miller still makes more if he is employed however, which would give him every incentive to lie his ass off right now.
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Well it is not just lying to save his job, but lying to save any possible future employment. Because if this all goes down and is true, Miller is managing a Dairy Queen while coaching 9th graders at Beaver Falls.
 
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Well it is not just lying to save his job, but lying to save any possible future employment. Because if this all goes down and is true, Miller is managing a Dairy Queen while coaching 9th graders at Beaver Falls.
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Exactly, only someone clearly blind to the situation who even pose a question as ludicrous as to why Miller would lie, but then again, we don't have to go much further than his Screen Name to see how blind he is.
 
h2p012 said:
SO he can keep coaching for the time being? If it turns out that the reported issues with his contract aren't nearly as bad as they seemed and firing him with cause won't impact the university nearly as financially, he makes more $$$$ staying on as coach? EVen if he is inevitably charged by the FBI, that may not come for months or even years. Make $$$$ while you can.

He literally has every incentive in the world to lie.
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Correct - The Title should be “Why Wouldn’t He Lie?”
 
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h2p012 said:
Again, the hiring of Coaches is NOT a court of law. Innocent until proven Guilty is NOT applicable in this instance.

His longtime assistant is just going to go out and pay players without Miller knowing?

Ok, so Miller hires an assistant who ends up in prison for 60 years, of a crime that is directly related to cheating, its not like he is indicted for a non-Basketball related crime. This is directly related to giving Arizona and Miller a tangible benefit.

At best, if Miller didn't know, he is wildly incompetent. At best.

Lyke, or any other AD can not wait for this situation to play out. They have to acknowledge the very real (likely) possibility that Miller gets further tangled in the FBI web. Book Richardson is about to just take 60 years in Federal Prison without trying to get that setence reduced... and you know the easiest way to get it reduce? Book is going to start singing, and you know the guy he'll have the most dirt on? Miller.
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h2p012 said:
Again, the hiring of Coaches is NOT a court of law. Innocent until proven Guilty is NOT applicable in this instance.

His longtime assistant is just going to go out and pay players without Miller knowing?

Ok, so Miller hires an assistant who ends up in prison for 60 years, of a crime that is directly related to cheating, its not like he is indicted for a non-Basketball related crime. This is directly related to giving Arizona and Miller a tangible benefit.

At best, if Miller didn't know, he is wildly incompetent. At best.

Lyke, or any other AD can not wait for this situation to play out. They have to acknowledge the very real (likely) possibility that Miller gets further tangled in the FBI web. Book Richardson is about to just take 60 years in Federal Prison without trying to get that setence reduced... and you know the easiest way to get it reduce? Book is going to start singing, and you know the guy he'll have the most dirt on? Miller.
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Again, the hiring of Coaches is NOT a court of law. Innocent until proven Guilty is NOT applicable in this instance.

Again, as I said, Miller's employment status in Western PA. Dumb, meaningless topic. So why keep hammering at me about a point I am not making? Direct it at SMF

that point being, he either offered money on tape or he did not so why debate anything about it until the truth comes out.

 
h2p012 said:
The eyes of the public are not the eyes of Justice.

The eyes of the public see Miller's LONGTIME assistant (10+years, practically his entire HC career) get busted for paying players and facing 60 years in prison.

You can reserve judgement all you want, but as AD, Lyke kind of has a big responsibility in keeping people who may be/likely are subject to federal indictments as far away as possible from the university.

So no, in the legal sense he is innocent until a Jury of his Peers finds him guilty.... But in the real world that is irrelevant.
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Excellent, excellent post
 
h2p012 said:
there were many people reporting it, including others who actually reported the specific language of the deal, not just Rovell.

I still think its kind of up in the air with his contract, if the wording is as reported by others, it is certainly up for debate.

None of that changes the fact that Miller still makes more if he is employed however, which would give him every incentive to lie his ass off right now.
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Rovell "reported" (actually screenshotting it and tweeting it) the language and the other sites just took Rovell's "report" (twee) and sent the story. That is what "journalism" is now. Rovell was off base. The language (when you look at a single paragraph) is slightly ambiguous, but the intent is clear and that has a long, long history of holding in AZ. There is no real risk for them if they pursue a with cause termination.
 
upj87 said:
we are left to decide who is telling the truth here..ESPN (thee of the Duke Lacrosse expose) unnamed source or Miller (sleazy coach)....toss up. Based on the evidence at hand, Arizona, has apparently decided their pick on this. So has Sports Illustrated.

I'll reserve judgement and make some popcorn. I'm in no hurry.
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Duke lacrosse was from local reporters.
You understand that espn doesn’t actually investigate things-
They source local reporters
 
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