At this point, why would Miller lie?

[upj87]

Duke lacrosse was from local reporters.
You understand that espn doesn’t actually investigate things-
They source local reporters

You do realize that publishing a story based on the information of unnamed sources and producing an article based on such is investigating things...ask Sarah Ganin about her definition in that regard if you wish...I believe there is even a name for it... .Journalism that investigates stuff or some such thing...just cannot put my finger on it...anybody?

ESPN ran with a slanted narrative the whole time the Duke story was in play. that is what they do.

 

[SoufOaklin4Life]

You do realize that publishing a story based on the information of unnamed sources and producing an article based on such is investigating things...ask Sarah Ganin about her definition in that regard if you wish...I believe there is even a name for it... .Journalism that investigates stuff or some such thing...just cannot put my finger on it...anybody?

ESPN ran with a slanted narrative the whole time the Duke story was in play. that is what they do.

The slanted narrative which started from local reporters who were fed the info from the da.

 

[CJsE]

You do realize that publishing a story based on the information of unnamed sources and producing an article based on such is investigating things...ask Sarah Ganin about her definition in that regard if you wish...I believe there is even a name for it... .Journalism that investigates stuff or some such thing...just cannot put my finger on it...anybody?

ESPN ran with a slanted narrative the whole time the Duke story was in play. that is what they do.

You two are talking about a completely different things. Actual investigative journalism is the minority of reporting. He's talking about ESPN pulling much of their content straight from other AP contributors or local reports without doing any first hand investigating. Which is something almost all news organizations do and have done for, well ever, and there's nothing wrong with that.

 

[bayardstreet]

Lies and the lying liars who tell them. A real good book by the former senator Al Franken.

Miller is as dirty as they come. It’s impossible to not cheat to remain a top 10 basketball power for 15 straight years. I don’t want to hear about coach K being Mr Clean. He is so full of himself.

They all cheat and they all lie. They lay in bed at night and tell their wives or whomever what a scum bag business they are in. Then they think about their bank accounts and notoriety, and plan for the next day.......which is filled with more lies and phony bull crap. Sure there are some who play the rules and they have fulfilling careers as coaches and teachers and leaders of young men.

So Boeheim might miss the tournament this year. He wasn’t cheating hard enough.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

Lies and the lying liars who tell them. A real good book by the former senator Al Franken.

Miller is as dirty as they come. It’s impossible to not cheat to remain a top 10 basketball power for 15 straight years. I don’t want to hear about coach K being Mr Clean. He is so full of himself.

They all cheat and they all lie. They lay in bed at night and tell their wives or whomever what a scum bag business they are in. Then they think about their bank accounts and notoriety, and plan for the next day.......which is filled with more lies and phony bull crap. Sure there are some who play the rules and they have fulfilling careers as coaches and teachers and leaders of young men.

So Boeheim might miss the tournament this year. He wasn’t cheating hard enough.

Yea but what are we talking about here in the grand scheme of things? Paying recruits? Yea, its against NCAA rules and apparently illegal but on the grand scale of actual crimes, paying a kid to come to your school to play basketball really isn't that bad of a crime. I mean there's murder, rape, arson, robbery, etc. Honestly, this is the most shallow crime there could actually be. I'm not saying its right or we should encourage it but if we hire a coach because they are thought to have paid players (Miller) or knew his assistant was running a brothel (Pitino) or made phone calls to recruits outside of recruiting windows (Sampson), who the eff effing cares? This isn't Penn State covering up child rape or Baylor covering up a murder or Baylor covering up rape or Baylor covering up rape again. Why do SPORTS fans get so upset about this?

 

[JohnnyGossamer]

Yea but what are we talking about here in the grand scheme of things? Paying recruits? Yea, its against NCAA rules and apparently illegal but on the grand scale of actual crimes, paying a kid to come to your school to play basketball really isn't that bad of a crime. I mean there's murder, rape, arson, robbery, etc. Honestlhis is the most shallow crime there could actually be. I'm not saying its right or we should encourage it but if we hire a coach because they are thought to have paid players (Miller) or knew his assistant was running a brothel (Pitino) or made phone calls to recruits outside of recruiting windows, who the eff effing cares? This isn't Penn State covering up child rape or Baylor covering up a murder or Baylor covering up rape or Baylor covering up rape again. Why do SPORTS fans get so upset about this?

We're talking about a situation like Pitino. Super dirty top assistant that worked alongside Miller for 10+ years but potentially no proof that HC knew. Pitino had enough baggage already from past transgressions for him to lose his gig at U of L. Miller, if wiretap proves false, will remain coach. But, it really depends on Richardson. What Richardson did. And, talking reduces the trouble he's in, what he says about U of A and Miller. If it's bad enough, Miller's out. If not, he'll remain HC. Though, recruiting might take a hit. Seems to already be taking a pretty big hit at the moment.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

Though, recruiting might take a hit. Seems to already be taking a pretty big hit at the moment.

Its only taking a hit because recruits fear an NCAAT ban. Once Az is cleared or probation ends, Miller will start getting top 5 classes again.

 

[JohnnyGossamer]

Its only taking a hit because recruits fear an NCAAT ban. Once Az is cleared or probation ends, Miller will start getting top 5 classes again.

Wasn't Richardson his top recruiter? I'm not saying he still won't land impressive classes but they may dip a bit.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

Its only taking a hit because recruits fear an NCAAT ban. Once Az is cleared or probation ends, Miller will start getting top 5 classes again.

Wasn't Richardson his top recruiter? I'm not saying he still won't land impressive classes but they may dip a bit.

Maybe but I doubt it. Miller is his own top recruiter now. Plus, he has Romar, who may be dirtier than anyone

 

[JohnnyGossamer]

Maybe but I doubt it. Miller is his own top recruiter now. Plus, he has Romar, who may be dirtier than anyone

Oh, yeah, forgot about Romar. That program is hilariously dirty. Welp, guess he and U of A may as well get away with what they can while they can.

 

[bayardstreet]

Miller cheats

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

Rovell "reported" (actually screenshotting it and tweeting it) the language and the other sites just took Rovell's "report" (twee) and sent the story. That is what "journalism" is now. Rovell was off base. The language (when you look at a single paragraph) is slightly ambiguous, but the intent is clear and that has a long, long history of holding in AZ. There is no real risk for them if they pursue a with cause termination.

I can't believe anyone could read that document and come to the conclusion that Rovell did. As I was reading it I kept think, well, somethings got to be coming up here soon because I'm getting closer to the end and it still isn't there. And then I was at the end and it still wasn't there.

If Miller gets fired for cause he is most certainly not getting all the money that Rovell said that he would. Not even close.

 

[heybandguy]

In the spirit of true disclosure there’s probably not a tape. Probably a wav or mp3 file...

 

[Pitt3Putt]

He gave a really unconvincing statement, first and foremost. He had so many qualifiers and specific names/situations in there that he’s almost certainly paid for other guys. The denials were rarely blanket denials, it was just denying specific things. “I’ve never knowingly paid for....”, “I never spoke with Christian Dawkins about paying him for Deandre Ayton coming to Arizona”.

If you’re innocent, just say you’ve never paid guys ever and you’ve never spoken to Christian Dawkins about any one or anything. Quit adding in all of these details that leave open a ton of possibilities.

Hell, don’t say “I have spoken about paying guys on the phone before, but I never actually wound up paying that guy and he didn’t come to Arizona”, because it makes it sound like you have discussed this before, but you didn’t pay enough, and now you’re just trying to sow doubt onto any tape released where specific names aren’t divulged.

The entire thing looked like he was specifically trying to deny what ESPN reported but wasn’t trying to deny the overall message of it — that he’s paid players.

2nd, we said this same thing about Ryan Braun when he got busted for steroids and gave an extremely convincing speech accusing everybody else of wrongdoing. People do lie even when they have a preponderance of evidence against them. People are dumb.

 

[bwh05]

It would take some serious balls to come out and lie in public like that. That said, many others like Lance Armstrong, Pitino, Braun, Rafael Palmiero, etc have done the same song and dance and been proven guilty and a liar. I guess we’ll see what happens because someone is way off on what transpired

 

[Bethlehemjohn]

Hillary, Pitino, Barnes.

How about all of the baseball players? Palmeiro, Clemens, Bonds, etc,.....