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Well, that's good.
I like having Franklin as Penn State's HC, so I'm glad she gave him a really solid endorsement.

This endorsement yesterday came despite her saying in the off-season that PSU should be competitive in all games. "Nobody should blow us out. Nobody." When asked about the 49-10 loss on Saturday, her answer was basically that ‘eventually’ we shouldn’t be getting blown out. You know, sanctions.

While I’m glad she is endorsing JF, I’m also glad that she has to field questions about him being on the hot seat. That’s never good for recruiting.
 
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raleighpanther said:
Well, that's good.
I like having Franklin as Penn State's HC, so I'm glad she gave him a really solid endorsement.

This endorsement yesterday came despite her saying in the off-season that PSU should be competitive in all games. "Nobody should blow us out. Nobody." When asked about the 49-10 loss on Saturday, her answer was basically that ‘eventually’ we shouldn’t be getting blown out. You know, sanctions.

While I’m glad she is endorsing JF, I’m also glad that she has to field questions about him being on the hot seat. That’s never good for recruiting.
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Sandy's a brilliant AD and Jimmy's a fabulous coach. It's all because of injuries (they don't happen anywhere else, ya' know), sanctions and negative recruiting.

Look for the next rationalization to be about the officiating. Because all of the other teams in the B1G are just jealous and envious of the nits so they want them to lose. :rolleyes:
 
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Dear Ms. Nitter AD or if you've been fired before this arrives To Whom It May Concern,

Please give James From State College a lifetime/post lifetime no cut, evergreen, cant be cancelled, HC contract before the NItter administration fires your worthless b-tt.

Thank you!

Sincerely,
Buffet Parrothead/PITT Fan
 
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It's rediculous !!!! She is also on the hot seat because that football program has to support the 28 other sports teams that they have. If she gets pressured to dump Jimmy it will cost them more money and also cause some more upheaval within the university and alumni

The best thing she can do is continue to repeat his reasons for getting their ass kicked. She has no choice

If Minnesota beats them Saturday you might see the pressure really ratchet up
 
The reason PSU sucks is simple. They lack talent & depth. The sanctions and eveything else that went on are not excuses. They are valid reasons. The ONLY way to recover from that is recruiting. Is Franklin getting the job done in recruiting? That is open to debate. So far, I don't see it.
 
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Why do Pitt fans seem to want Franklin fired? You do realize they have the money to do a whole lot better, right? I have gone so far as to root for Penn State just so they dont fire him. I rooted for PSU to beat Temple because I thought a loss would be difficult for Franklin to overcome but rooted for Mich to beat them.
 
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The reason PSU sucks is simple. They lack talent & depth. The sanctions and eveything else that went on are not excuses. They are valid reasons. The ONLY way to recover from that is recruiting. Is Franklin getting the job done in recruiting? That is open to debate. So far, I don't see it.
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But all I've heard on here in the last 2 years is how fantastic Slick Jimmy is as a recruiter. How he kicked Chryst's ass and is kicking Duzz's ass. What happened to all that 4 and 5 star talent? The sanctions are ancient history now.

It appears Slick Jimmy is in over his head and he is one of the last people to see it.
 
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But all I've heard on here in the last 2 years is how fantastic Slick Jimmy is as a recruiter. How he kicked Chryst's ass and is kicking Duzz's ass. What happened to all that 4 and 5 star talent? The sanctions are ancient history now.

It appears Slick Jimmy is in over his head and he is one of the last people to see it.
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No. The sanctions aren't ancient history. Look at the upperclassman on their roster. They are still working through it.

I'm afraid that we are going to see the results of his superior recruiting (compared to Chryst & Duzz) next year on the field. That said, he still isn't recruiting at anywhere close to the level he needs to make PSU relevant again.
 
TD_6082 said:
No. The sanctions aren't ancient history. Look at the upperclassman on their roster. They are still working through it.

I'm afraid that we are going to see the results of his superior recruiting (compared to Chryst & Duzz) next year on the field. That said, he still isn't recruiting at anywhere close to the level he needs to make PSU relevant again.
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OK. So Ped State wasn't allowed to bring in anybody for the first 2 or 3 years of the sanctions. You know they still had scholarships. Just not as many. I guess we'll see.
 
TD_6082 said:
The reason PSU sucks is simple. They lack talent & depth. The sanctions and eveything else that went on are not excuses. They are valid reasons. The ONLY way to recover from that is recruiting. Is Franklin getting the job done in recruiting? That is open to debate. So far, I don't see it.
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you do realize that the 2014 & 2015 were both full classes and ranked in the Rivals top 25, and that 2014 would be juniors now.
 
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Slick Manager of Champs said:
you do realize that the 2014 & 2015 were both full classes and ranked in the Rivals top 25, and that 2014 would be juniors now.
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And that type of recruiting is pretty much right on track if you like 7 or 8 win seasons. Will PSU, ever compete with tOSU or Michigan for Big 10 titles with that type of recruiting? Highly doubtful.

PSU barely lost to us (Pitt isn't chopped liver and could very easily be 4-0) and they were blown out by Michigan. That is about what most people thought going into this year. Its games like this against Minnesota that they desperately need to win right now to keep it together.
 
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raleighpanther said:
While I’m glad she is endorsing JF, I’m also glad that she has to field questions about him being on the hot seat. That’s never good for recruiting.
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If recruits thought he was on a "hot seat" then they would be jumping like rats off the titantic (which may end up happening anyways).

I think this little "all is well", "nothing to see here" line was used to keep the recruits happy and content.
 
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Why do Pitt fans seem to want Franklin fired? You do realize they have the money to do a whole lot better, right? I have gone so far as to root for Penn State just so they dont fire him. I rooted for PSU to beat Temple because I thought a loss would be difficult for Franklin to overcome but rooted for Mich to beat them.
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I want him to stay, but I am not sure they do have the money to do much better. What for sure successful HC could they pull from another P5 program over other openings? Just this year there will likely be two openings, which are head and shoulders a better job than PSU. And they are that much better BEFORE you consider the scandal and crazies. Heck, Baylor would be a better job for most coaches, if you were being honest and Baylor can pay just as much.
 
Why would recruits jump ship if Slick Jimmy is on the hot seat? They will be playing for a way better coach once Jimmy is run off...

Go Pitt.
 
TD_6082 said:
And that type of recruiting is pretty much right on track if you like 7 or 8 win seasons. Will PSU, ever compete with tOSU or Michigan for Big 10 titles with that type of recruiting? Highly doubtful.

PSU barely lost to us (Pitt isn't chopped liver and could very easily be 4-0) and they were blown out by Michigan. That is about what most people thought going into this year. Its games like this against Minnesota that they desperately need to win right now to keep it together.
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Correct. To legitimately compete with OSU and Michigan, PSU needs top 15 classes, at a minimum. And they still have MSU in division and teams like Wisconsin and Iowa across the aisle. Being #25 in recruiting means you are barely in the top 40% of P5 teams. That isn't very good.
 
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If recruits thought he was on a "hot seat" then they would be jumping like rats off the titantic (which may end up happening anyways).

I think this little "all is well", "nothing to see here" line was used to keep the recruits happy and content.
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Recruits will be real careful since there's a lot out there on this. We ( wife & I) were in a private club which is part of a casino that we frequent eating, drinking, and watching football on Saturday. Next to us were two people who we know are Nitter boosters. They were unhappy with the Nitter performance in the Michigan game and told us that the PSU administration/athletics are "pressuring" him / making his stay "uncomfortable" in hope that he jumps ship.
This is a picture of James From State College and sums up his situation! Threading water??
swimmingRat.jpg
 
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Correct me if I'm wrong but PSU had 2 "reduced scholarship classes." 2013 and 2014 and that is somewhat misleading because I think the 2013 class had 19 players because a bunch enrolled early to get counted against 2012.

So, his 5th year seniors (2012) were part of a non-sanctioned class. PSU signed 34 players between 2013 and 2014 who are his upper classmen. Their first non-sanctioned classes (2015 and 2016) are freshmen and sophomores, but I'm not sure why people have excused the 34 players brought in 2013 and 2014.
 
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Hey, let the excuses stand. And we can come up with a few more to help his cause. I don't want him to leave.

I do have to say though, that the heat will really be on him next year. The seniors in 2017 will have only played for JF; it will be his team. The sanctions excuse will start to dry up.

Regarding his recruiting, it looks good on paper at a high level, but when you look closer, he has big holes at certain positions. He's done really well at a few positions, like he has gotten a really top notch RB every year, but he's been very weak at LB and on the DL. Just ask a nitter -- they'll be the first to confirm.
 
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Recruits will be real careful since there's a lot out there on this. We ( wife & I) were in a private club which is part of a casino that we frequent eating, drinking, and watching football on Saturday. Next to us were two people who we know are Nitter boosters. They were unhappy with the Nitter performance in the Michigan game and told us that the PSU administration/athletics are "pressuring" him / making his stay "uncomfortable" in hope that he jumps ship.
This is a picture of James From State College and sums up his situation! Threading water??
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This may be more true than anything. There are ways of making coaches not want to stay but they're not going to fire him.

Remember, Jimmy was hired by Joyner (a guy that was on the BOT when Joe was fired with zero AD experience) after a coaching search that lasted about ten minutes. There have been reports that BOB hated Joyner and pretty much demanded Joyner be fired. Didn't happen so Joyner probably already had James lined up and ready to go when BOB left for the Texans. So that would be three coaches they've nudged along or fired, in a row?

Which big time coach wants that job with that kind of recent history and all of the crazy swirling around that program?
 
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If JF were to be replaced, I don't think they could get a big-time coach to go there, but they could get a good coach. Ruhle from Temple would be a top target, would probably take the job, and he appears to be a way better coach than Franklin.
 
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Which big time coach wants that job with that kind of recent history and all of the crazy swirling around that program?
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Agree. That, plus getting a$$-rolled 49 - 10 by Harbaugh and a Michigan team that the nits must PLAY EVERY YEAR, is definitely not a good look. That game was non-competitive. If there are others like that this season - and there could be - it is going to be very difficult to convince their support system (donors and season ticket buyers) that things aren't going down the crapper. In spite of all the excuses.
 
raleighpanther said:
Regarding his recruiting, it looks good on paper at a high level, but when you look closer, he has big holes at certain positions. He's done really well at a few positions, like he has gotten a really top notch RB every year, but he's been very weak at LB and on the DL. Just ask a nitter -- they'll be the first to confirm.
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As long as he is up there and we have Narduzzi I like our chances against them going forward.

They will not be invincible in 2017 like some on here think they will be and I fully expect Pitt to move the ball on them because of their lack of quality at those two positions.
 
raleighpanther said:
Hey, let the excuses stand. And we can come up with a few more to help his cause. I don't want him to leave.

I do have to say though, that the heat will really be on him next year. The seniors in 2017 will have only played for JF; it will be his team. The sanctions excuse will start to dry up.

Regarding his recruiting, it looks good on paper at a high level, but when you look closer, he has big holes at certain positions. He's done really well at a few positions, like he has gotten a really top notch RB every year, but he's been very weak at LB and on the DL. Just ask a nitter -- they'll be the first to confirm.
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His team(s) may get better. But will they ever be as good as tOSU or the other better teams in the Big Ten? That's the rub for Nit fans: what's the point of being "better" if you can't beat the teams in their own conference? To this point, he can't even claim to be the best team in Pennsylvania.
 
They have had talent there. What they haven't had is leadership and good coaching. I do believe Franklin is a solid recruiter, but that is all he is. He can talk to kids and their families and get them to come to Ped St. The problem is: once they get there, they don't develop because he and the staff are in over their heads in X's and O's.

I really am not sure how much more embarassment they can stand up there. I can assure you tho, Milk-dud is not the guy to make them forget about the great Paturdo! I hope his seat never gets warm but, I am deeply concerned that he might not even get to coach 2017 for the nitwits. He had better beat the teams he is supposed to. If he loses to Indiana, Minnesota, and the Rutgers of the world he may be gone at seasons end. If that happens you can say goodbye to the solid recruits he has committed to this point as well.
As Pitt fans, we are in a pickle! We all hate the Peds and want them to lose every game, but if they do, we will lose our favorite Punching Bag and they might break the bank to try and get a quality replacement.
 
raleighpanther said:
If JF were to be replaced, I don't think they could get a big-time coach to go there, but they could get a good coach. Ruhle from Temple would be a top target, would probably take the job, and he appears to be a way better coach than Franklin.
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How about Al Golden he's a former Nitter like Ruhle.
What rock is he hiding under????
 
He probably is on the hot seat, this probably came out just for recruiting, not to send them elsewhere
 
I can argue both sides of the Franklin argument. If he keeps putting top 20 classes together, the players may rise above crappy coaching and talent on the field wins out. On the other hand, is he a Ron Zook?

Also, nothing devastates recruiting like coaching changes. If Psu hires another hack then they may get into that situation we know all too well
 
raleighpanther said:
Well, that's good.
I like having Franklin as Penn State's HC, so I'm glad she gave him a really solid endorsement.

This endorsement yesterday came despite her saying in the off-season that PSU should be competitive in all games. "Nobody should blow us out. Nobody." When asked about the 49-10 loss on Saturday, her answer was basically that ‘eventually’ we shouldn’t be getting blown out. You know, sanctions.

While I’m glad she is endorsing JF, I’m also glad that she has to field questions about him being on the hot seat. That’s never good for recruiting.
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does Sandy have hot seat ?.... she's fuggly ... which means franklinphony has no contact with her....

I misunderstood :)
 
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