You know how in movies there are always a group of friends, and one of those friends is the dumb one that says the comebacks that usually makes the group look worse? That guy is you. Dont be that guy
Barbour says Franklin is not on the hot seat
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You know how in movies there are always a group of friends, and one of those friends is the dumb one that says the comebacks that usually makes the group look worse? That guy is you. Dont be that guy
How is PSU doing with graduation rates and players staying out of trouble under Franklin? I don't really care, but since you seem like you would readily have this type of info available, I thought I'd ask.
OK, I will give you an out, and say... fair... Franklin did a slightly better than mediocre job at Vandy during those 3 years coaching Vandy, beating reallllllllllyyyyyyy bad teams at a clip that would warrant firing at any of the big schools, and then left the team in shambles due to the worst sexual abuse allegation in Vanderbilt history, to go to a school we all hate (well, not all I guess), to take over for a good coach that recovered a team from the worse sexual abuse scandal in football history.
Sound fair???
I have no idea... didnt know he was a professor, but I can say with 100% certainty that not one of his recruits have graduated yet from ups. So, you are saying,"Hey, he is at least as good as Paul Hackett"
Ha. No, not really. Let's just leave it at that anyway.
That was amusing.
Anyways, it really doesnt matter. If they keep losing to Pitt, OSU, MICH, MSU and getting THROTTLED while losing, he is gone.
Anyways, it really doesnt matter. If they keep losing to Pitt, OSU, MICH, MSU and getting THROTTLED while losing, he is gone.
I thought like you once did, that Franklin would be an Elite Great Coach for PSU due to his recruiting abilities. Posters on the Lair told me I was wrong. They were more right and now i believe they will remain right.
I just think now even if Franklin Vandy Teams from 2011-13 would have had to play Dantonio, Meyers and Harbaugh every year, he would have been 7-6, just like he is now.
If there is a breakout game to define Moorhead Offense it should start with Minnesota this weekend. McSorley should score 35 Points in the Air alone this game. If the PSU DL is beat up, they still should hold Minnesota to 24 to 28 points?
I like your posts and to agree to disagree does not make me right or you wrong. I learn when you post as I do from most Lair & Visitor Posters.
I think you are now spot on Franklin's Recruiting he getting more 3 stars than 4 stars now, and that won't cut in the Big Ten Elite.
If JF goes 3-9, 4-8, 5-7, the only problem will be how to pay for to dump him, and giving him no Extension, just kills his recruiting ever so softly and slowly. A Great guy, Ftaher, and Husband, but a good coach on Foge Fazio level.
Agree, so little done so much to do, but Pitt is just tad farther ahead right now, PSU, Pitt and WVU have been the last few years, and are 6-6, 7-6, 8-5, Programs right now. I see the upside favoring Pitt right now, and we shall see?
And why don't you break down those wins at Vandy? They came at a time when the SEC East was as weak as it has ever been. GA and Florida were a combined 12-13 in Franklin's third season there. That hadn't happened in a long time, and it won't happen again for a long time. He landed in a soft bubble of opportunity.
And here is another thing to consider. He coached at Vandy for three years. That means that the "success" he had there happened with someone else's recruits; the recruits of a coach who got fired, and presumably didn't recruit that well. So why is taking forever for him to be successful at Penn State? Sanctions? If he could be successful in the great SEC with leftover mediocre recruits of the prior unsuccessful coach, why isn't he successful yet at Penn State? He is clearly able to recruit better at Penn State than he could at Vandy, and the frosh, sophs and juniors are all his recruits. And still, he is getting blown out 49-10 in year 3.
Paul Zeise's recent column sums it up nicely:
"...Franklin, who has done a good job of recruiting and built a young team with a lot of talent. At this point, he deserves to have a fourth year, but he has to show some signs of progress down the stretch. He has yet to beat a ranked opponent. He has yet to beat a Power 5 team that has finished with more than eight wins. He has yet to compete for the Big Ten title.
Then there’s the elephant in the room: He’s 0-7 against Michigan, Michigan State and Ohio State and is coming off a 49-10 drubbing at the hands of the Wolverines. There were sanctions, and it takes time to build a program, but in Year 3, there is no way Michigan (whose coach is in his second season, by the way) should be 39 points better than Penn State.
Barbour should have stopped short of saying Franklin will be safe in December. If he gets blown out by Ohio State and Michigan State and loses to Iowa — the three best teams left on the schedule — to finish 7-5, what exactly will be the tangible sign of progress? Maybe he should get a fourth year regardless, but if the Nittany Lions finish 7-5 and Frankliln is 0-9 against the best three teams in the Big Ten East, that is a fairly big indictment of the progress of the program.
Athletic directors make votes of confidence all the time, and usually it’s the kiss of death for coaches. So, I’m sure Franklin will be evaluated in December like most coaches are, and if it’s determined he isn’t getting it done, he will be fired anyway. But why would Barbour stick her neck out that far to suggest Franklin has job security regardless of what happens, when he has yet to prove he can beat the best teams on his schedule?
Let’s get one thing straight: This is Penn State we’re talking about, not Kent State, so the idea that the Nittany Lions should celebrate moral victories is silly. This program should be measured by a high standard given its history, tradition, fans and resources.
Penn State should compete for Big Ten titles regularly, and the Nittany Lions should be able to beat the best teams on their schedule with some degree of regularity. They’re too good of a program to accept the mediocrity it has received from Franklin, but the good news is there are at least three more opportunities for him to notch a “signature win” down the stretch. He needs to win one of them, and if he does, that’s at least a sign that the team is progressing and getting closer to competing with the top teams in its conference.”
"...Franklin, who has done a good job of recruiting and built a young team with a lot of talent. At this point, he deserves to have a fourth year, but he has to show some signs of progress down the stretch. He has yet to beat a ranked opponent. He has yet to beat a Power 5 team that has finished with more than eight wins. He has yet to compete for the Big Ten title.
Then there’s the elephant in the room: He’s 0-7 against Michigan, Michigan State and Ohio State and is coming off a 49-10 drubbing at the hands of the Wolverines. There were sanctions, and it takes time to build a program, but in Year 3, there is no way Michigan (whose coach is in his second season, by the way) should be 39 points better than Penn State.
Barbour should have stopped short of saying Franklin will be safe in December. If he gets blown out by Ohio State and Michigan State and loses to Iowa — the three best teams left on the schedule — to finish 7-5, what exactly will be the tangible sign of progress? Maybe he should get a fourth year regardless, but if the Nittany Lions finish 7-5 and Frankliln is 0-9 against the best three teams in the Big Ten East, that is a fairly big indictment of the progress of the program.
Athletic directors make votes of confidence all the time, and usually it’s the kiss of death for coaches. So, I’m sure Franklin will be evaluated in December like most coaches are, and if it’s determined he isn’t getting it done, he will be fired anyway. But why would Barbour stick her neck out that far to suggest Franklin has job security regardless of what happens, when he has yet to prove he can beat the best teams on his schedule?
Let’s get one thing straight: This is Penn State we’re talking about, not Kent State, so the idea that the Nittany Lions should celebrate moral victories is silly. This program should be measured by a high standard given its history, tradition, fans and resources.
Penn State should compete for Big Ten titles regularly, and the Nittany Lions should be able to beat the best teams on their schedule with some degree of regularity. They’re too good of a program to accept the mediocrity it has received from Franklin, but the good news is there are at least three more opportunities for him to notch a “signature win” down the stretch. He needs to win one of them, and if he does, that’s at least a sign that the team is progressing and getting closer to competing with the top teams in its conference.”
That pres stache guy did break it down...
"You are so comical.
Bill Obrien had two seasons of 8-4 and 7-5. He didnt take over a train wreck
And if what he did at Vandy... which is go 24-15 and 11-13 vs the SEC will never be repeated in our lifetimes, then we will have lame lifetimes
Victories against
Kentucky, 2011 who was 5-7
Ole Miss, 2011 who was 2-10 (0-8 in SEC)
Missouri, 2012 who was 5-7
Auburn, 2012 who was 3-9(0-8 in SEC)
Kentucky, 2012, who was 2-10
Ole Miss, 2012, who was 6-6
Tennessee, 2012, who was 5-7(1-7 in SEC)
GEORGIA, 2013 who was ACTUALLY 8-5 first winning record win
Florida, 2013, who was 4-8
Kentucky, 2013 who was 2-10
Tennessee, 2013 who was 5-7
THIS is his entire win count in the SEC. This is so impressive you said wouldnt be repeated in our lifetimes????? Then I guess Walt Harris wants to talk to you.
Although, to be fair he also beat:
Austin Peay, 2013, who was 0-12
UMASS, 2013, who was 1-11
UAB, 2013, who was 2-10 and folded their team
Presbyterian, 2012, who was 2-9
UMASS, 2012 who was 1-11
Wake Forest twice, 2012,1013 both years 5-7
Elon, 2011, who was 5-6 and they are Elon
UCONN, 2011, who was 5-7 and in a defunct league
Army, 2011, who was 3-9.
That is 10 wins, vs a schedule that is 29-89"
Pitt and Pitt St are both very avg programs , I'm just hoping we can be a Washington one day, it's never our turn
Thanks for the pillow talk, but I am happily married with at least 4 kids
BOOM. Mic drop......Franklin's HC record through last season:
Well in defense of TD, I think he meant in our lifetime we'll never see another coach come into Vandy and win that many games. Maybe, maybe not. I'm sure there wasn't a single soul out there who thought Butler would suddenly become a FF contender in hoops either. It can happen at any time. But to somehow extrapolate his record at Vandy (which looking at the actual numbers is really not all that great) and apply it to PSU as if to prove he is a good coach at PSU is patently inaccurate. Right now, he isn't getting it done at PSU and he's working with HIS 3rd year of recruits in his 6th year as a P5 HC.
Jesus, you are near sighted. Are you around for a discussion/debate about football?
Edit: Apparently you're not around. I'll check in Monday or Tuesday and kick you butt around then. Have a good weekend.
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This is absolute crap and is obviously written by a local guy still remembering the PSU of 25-30 years ago. No national writer would ever subscribe to anything like this.
Penn State isn't on the same planet as OSU and Michigan, nowhere near that. They aren't anywhere close to that level. Even when Michigan struggled recently, they were still way way above PSU on the national scene.
The absolute best Penn St can hope to be moving forward is the Nebraska, Iowa, Wisconsin level. Maybe they have that one magical year where they are relevant, like Iowa last year, but they will never be Ohio St/Michigan status.
The only ones still believing that are their hardcore fans and Pittsburgh area writers. No one cares about PSU on a national level.
"psengr82, post: 1603432, member: 7257"]Jesus, you are near sighted. Are you around for a discussion/debate about football?
Not a problem, enjoy your discussions, and was out of town for the weekend. Good to see you are back from your own self imposed exile after the Michigan Debacle and looking forward to towards seeing your foresight's in the next few games.
I think Franklin's earned an Extension with that OT win over the Gophers?
Edit: Apparently you're not around. I'll check in Monday or Tuesday and kick you butt around then. Have a good weekend.
Looking forward to your Banter that goes with the Games making it fun.
Good wins all around, Pitt by 15 against a pesky Minus P-5 Marshall with another 2nd Half Defense Collapse, Penn State in OT against Mediocre Minnesota, and great comeback for WVU by Holgrosen out-coaching KSU Bill Snyder by one!
Not a problem, enjoy your discussions, and was out of town for the weekend. Good to see you are back from your own self imposed exile after the Michigan Debacle
and looking forward to towards seeing your foresight's in the next few games. I think Franklin's earned an Extension with that OT win over the Gophers?
Edit: Apparently you're not around. I'll check in Monday or Tuesday and kick you butt around then. Have a good weekend.
Looking forward to your Banter that goes with the Games making it fun.
Good wins all around, Pitt by 15 against a pesky Minus P-5 Marshall
with another 2nd Half Defense Collapse, Penn State in OT against Mediocre Minnesota, and great comeback for WVU by Holgrosen out-coaching KSU Bill Snyder by one!
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They could do a lot better than Rhule. When and if they make a change, they have to get somebody that can recruit. Franklin's recruiting right now is currently a dumpster fire. I think there are several coaches out there they could easily hire that could would be able to recruit much better than what they are getting now. Schiano, MacIntyre, Kiffin, Miles. They could kick the tires on Butch Jones. He would be crazy not to listen. He's in year 4 living life on the edge, the Prez & AD that hired him are being forced out.
Shoop is a lifelong PS fan and was DC at PS, but was smart enough to leave Cow College. Why in the world would Jones leave a place that offers everything PS provides, except they do not have a black cloud over their head and the constant Franco and Lubrano Lunatics in the background? All the other guys are a yawn.
Because the fans are getting somewhat restless. They would've turned on him in a heartbeat had they lost to either Florida or. UGA. He had to make it to Atlanta this year. Butch is already stuck with the 'mediocre coach & great recruiter' label with a lot of the fanbase.
He has a new president & new AD. In other words, the first dowturn, without notching some type of big accomplishment, he's likely to get booted.
He is on an upward trajectory and is not leaving UT for PS. They won 9 games last year and is 5-0 this year.
Piranha, its the SEC. Remove logic and reasonable expectations. Very few Vol fans are convinced he's the long term answer. The Vols have a lot of talent, and they have really only played 2 good quarters all season long. They have been behind by double digits in every game except Ohio U.
He's in year 4. New prez. New AD.
http://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/te...ous-tennessee-fans-melting-twitter-right-now/
He's in year 4. New prez. New AD.
http://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/te...ous-tennessee-fans-melting-twitter-right-now/
I'm not saying he would leave Tennessee for PSU. I don't think he would. However, his comments after the Florida game are telling that he is aware of the heat. With a new AD and new president, it's entirely possibly if a school like PSU gaged his interest, he might be willing to listen.
IMO, There are several other coaches out there that are better fits for PSU that would have a lot more success there.
IMO, There are several other coaches out there that are better fits for PSU that would have a lot more success there.
