Problem with that is OSU and UM will have top 5-10 classes and MSU's classes are right on par with PSU's, but they have the coaching. So, PSU is still, at best, #4 in the pecking order for the foreseeable future.
Barbour says Franklin is not on the hot seat
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A coaching change probably won't have much of an impact on PSU recruiting. Coaching changes have an effect on schools that don't put a lot of money and resources into recruiting. Currently, the bar isn't being set that high in recruiting anyway at PSU. How have coaching changes had an effect at UGA, Auburn, Michigan, Texas, South Carolina, Miami, etc? Very little to none. Pitt was once a 'have' school in recruiting. Majors, Sherrill, Foge, Gottfried... recruiting remained solid through all of those. It went in the tank after Gottfried was canned and we've yet to get our recruiting mojo back.
Honestly, If Franklin can't bring in at least a Top 15-20 type of class, he's probably become a liability in recruiting and it would be best for PSU to make a change.
I'll take great recruiting and mediocre coaching all day every day over average to crappy recruiting & superior coaching.
Yup. And the B1G schedules crossovers that can be brutal. It's possible PSU could roll a schedule in the next year or so that has them crossing over at Whisky and at Nebraska. If it's in a year when two of three against MSU, UM, and OSU are on the road, that ends up being a meat grinder.
Look at Whisky's schedule this year. Alverez is already crying about it.
Franklin Aspect Challenge #1:
Spot on, it is still matter whereby Franklin's biggest challenge is coaching against Meyers, Harbaugh, Dantonio, Ferentz this year and next year and coming years add Chryst/Alvarez, Riley, Fitzgerald and Narduzzi again, as well Ash & Durkin. Just can't handle the Big Ten Coaching Competition to win 10+ Games.
Franklin Aspect Challenge #2:
Spot again, the way to change any questions on "Hot Seat" is to give Franklin and Extension, she has not, therefore this undercutting Franklin more any support she has said publicly?
Franklin Aspect Challenge #3:
PennLive on just Penn State Recruiting Updates now shows two aspects of Franklin's Recruiting:
1. Some Verbal Commitments have reopen visits?
2. Penn State Recruits Competition Not As Much OSU, UM, ND, MSU?
3. Most Franklin Targets are now RU, UMD, UVA, PITT, VT, BC, CUSE, WVU, TU?
4. UMD & RU are competing right with PSU now?
Quite a difference from Franklin's first two years in caliber and numbers leaving Franklin farther behind Meyers, Harbaugh and Dantonio as well as Ash, Dukin, Narduzzi, Babers, Addazio, Holgrosen, Rhule, Mendenhall, Fuente and they are having some PSU Verbals having second thoughts and taking enough higher caliber recruits to hurt Franklin against OSU, Michigan, and OSU.
Franklin Aspect #4:
Barbour is only on the Hot Seat with the CD's Posters, and has full confidence of the President Barron and Board of Trustees. She spoke up because of the some of the Verbal Recruits that are reconsidering their early decisions and Penn State is blown away in some Games like OSU & MSU last year, and Michigan this year. Showing Franklin is not competitive on that level and she did not choose him?
Franklin Aspect Challenge #5:
As each game comes and goes in 2016, this is now a bigger excuse than a reality. This younger team that grows older every game is looking worse not better. The Recruiting is overrated because the Coaching has been changing to 4 New Coaches at 4 New Positions, in OC, DC, OLC, and DBC, as the Players are looking worse as Team, not better. Ohios State, Michigan, Michigan State, and Notre Dame coaching is far above Franklin & Staff in Coaching & Recruiting in spite of Penn State being just as Big as those programs Resources. The New Caoches are looking worse than the Old Coaches that left that help Franklin win games at Vanderbilt.
However, it was expected the New Moorhead Offense would take 4 to 6 Games to implement and so now what to watch is how it grows and does against Minnesota, Maryland, Purdue, Rutgers, and Indiana. As well as, OSU, Iowa and MSU? If they can sweep PU, RU, UMD, MINNY, INDY, they can' out coach or out recruit OSU, Iowa or MSU and more problems with the lesser programs in the Big Ten?
It is no longer talent they have it, it is coaching, depth has become problem due to coaching as well. Franklin has had Top 25 Classes all 3 years now. UMD, RU, Indy, Minny, PU are near that kind of Talent or Depth.
As each day passes, it gets worse for Franklin & Staff and Shoop and Hand left for reasons and Moorhead, Limegrover, Banks, and Pry have to be better than Donovan that was fired, so far, not looking good?
This is by no means whatsoever what Pitt Fans wants at all, it is matter what Franklin & Staff are not doing or can't do, to what PSU Administration, Trustees, and Alumni Supporters are demanding? Same aspects LSU Miles had to face and slowly failed even with an Extension, USC, Auburn ND, UTenn, FSU, OU, A&M, all have High Expectations, paying all Coaching Staffs right up there and giving all the support to win, either Win on that 10+ Game Level with NCS contention or they will find someone else.
In fact, in a strange but reality way, Bama's Saban Excellent is doing the firing and everyone wants Houston's Herman to be part of New Hiring?
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Exactly, if she said "Extension" it means true backing but that could cause more outrage until 2016 is over, Franklin has to win and a losing season will lead to faster demise in Recruiting against Meyers, Harbaugh, and Dantonio that Franklin & Staff can't out coach and that is showing PSU getting worse beatings than the last 2 years?
Franklin has been given everything he wanted and needed to win, now all he needs to do is win? So far, and not so good!
No. PSU's biggest problem IS talent. The game is still won in the trenches and PSU is mediocre at best upfront on both sides of the ball.
Shoop obviously left because there is a chitload more talent for him to work with at Tennessee than there is at PSU. We cry about losing Hendrix for the year & he is a guy that couldn't find the field at Tennessee.
Franklin isn't getting it done in recruiting. I'm more concerned about why our recruiting stinks right now.
Shoop obviously left because there is a chitload more talent for him to work with at Tennessee than there is at PSU. We cry about losing Hendrix for the year & he is a guy that couldn't find the field at Tennessee.
Franklin isn't getting it done in recruiting. I'm more concerned about why our recruiting stinks right now.
When they have to say you are not on the HotSeat?.......it is not like an Extension to say it in silence?......It is more a sign of hope that wins get better but they have 8 games to prove it?
Franklin Tests is beating Ash & Durkin? If Blowouts happen at Home against OSU, Iowa, and MSU after 7 and 8 games, it will get just worse.He goes 4-8 or 5-7, that is not good and from any predictions for 2016 at 7-6, 8-4 and even 9-3 on CFN earlier?
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EXACTLY. If PSU doesn't do well this year, they are at a real crossroads because they have to give him an extension for recruiting purposes. If they don't it's like Dead Man Walking.
Are you really asking that question?
He was given a 6 year contract when hired in 2014.
Are you really asking that question?
He was given a 6 year contract when hired in 2014.
I honestly didn't know.
I'm not making snide remarks about Pitt. I'm just pointing out that a lot of our fans would never hold our coach up to the same standards as they do other coaches. You know its true Pitt-Girl. You've been known to carry water for Chryst from time to time.
"TD_6082, post: 1602671, member: 510"]No. PSU's biggest problem IS talent. The game is still won in the trenches and PSU is mediocre at best upfront on both sides of the ball.
So, games don't count anymore? The Talent will continue to be bad even after 6th and 8th games? I mean isn't coaching suppose to improve its talent and game experience suppose to enhance inexperience?
What do you expect the record be after 6th Games? Like Pitt I see Toss Ups until Narduzzi improves the Defense.
As for Penn State, they have bigger problem and it is both Offense & Defense not just Recruiting?
Minny Toss Up Win?
UMD Toss Up Loss?
OSU LOSS?
PU Toss Up Win?
IOWA LOSS?
IND Toss Up?
RU Toss Up?
MSU LOSS?
????
Shoop obviously left because there is a chitload more talent for him to work with at Tennessee than there is at PSU.
Well, that is not how it actually happen.....before MSU Blowout last year, Franklin gave a Vote Of Confidence in his Public PC that stated his LONG TIME LOYAL STAFF knows what they are doing and has a PLAN? Franklin bragged shortly after many Top Programs were after his Coaches and took that as Badge of Honor as he bragged how they were staying and got them a rasie, they said they weer happy too......then they left???
We cry about losing Hendrix for the year & he is a guy that couldn't find the field at Tennessee.
Hmmmnnn, I thought you were talking about PSU Coaching, lack of talent and depth at PSU?
Franklin isn't getting it done in recruiting.
So, can you be specific on how Franklin's Coaching is great right now?
Are you saying, Terry Smith is now losing recruits he used to get with Franklin?
Do you expect Franklin will be or become or is right now a better coach than Meyers, Harbaugh or Dantonio? and if not, when will he prove it?
I'm more concerned about why our recruiting stinks right now.
I concur partly, but I am not concern with Pitt Coaching at all? I respect others can be, and that is OK!
However, as I see it, Pitt has been competitive in all games except Navy in my opinion, and with far less coaching experience time, tenure and against Programs that a had more talent with better QBs and Head Coaches with more time as Head Coach. Yet, they struggle to beat Pitt too and Pitt Players attitudes have changed?
I don't mind if others are concern with Narduzzi's recruiting after his 17th games, but making excuses for Franklin & Staff after their 28th games at PSU, and another 38 games at Vandy is panic not an excuse anymore.
So, games don't count anymore? The Talent will continue to be bad even after 6th and 8th games? I mean isn't coaching suppose to improve its talent and game experience suppose to enhance inexperience?
What do you expect the record be after 6th Games? Like Pitt I see Toss Ups until Narduzzi improves the Defense.
As for Penn State, they have bigger problem and it is both Offense & Defense not just Recruiting?
Minny Toss Up Win?
UMD Toss Up Loss?
OSU LOSS?
PU Toss Up Win?
IOWA LOSS?
IND Toss Up?
RU Toss Up?
MSU LOSS?
????
Shoop obviously left because there is a chitload more talent for him to work with at Tennessee than there is at PSU.
Well, that is not how it actually happen.....before MSU Blowout last year, Franklin gave a Vote Of Confidence in his Public PC that stated his LONG TIME LOYAL STAFF knows what they are doing and has a PLAN? Franklin bragged shortly after many Top Programs were after his Coaches and took that as Badge of Honor as he bragged how they were staying and got them a rasie, they said they weer happy too......then they left???
We cry about losing Hendrix for the year & he is a guy that couldn't find the field at Tennessee.
Hmmmnnn, I thought you were talking about PSU Coaching, lack of talent and depth at PSU?
Franklin isn't getting it done in recruiting.
So, can you be specific on how Franklin's Coaching is great right now?
Are you saying, Terry Smith is now losing recruits he used to get with Franklin?
Do you expect Franklin will be or become or is right now a better coach than Meyers, Harbaugh or Dantonio? and if not, when will he prove it?
I'm more concerned about why our recruiting stinks right now.
I concur partly, but I am not concern with Pitt Coaching at all? I respect others can be, and that is OK!
However, as I see it, Pitt has been competitive in all games except Navy in my opinion, and with far less coaching experience time, tenure and against Programs that a had more talent with better QBs and Head Coaches with more time as Head Coach. Yet, they struggle to beat Pitt too and Pitt Players attitudes have changed?
I don't mind if others are concern with Narduzzi's recruiting after his 17th games, but making excuses for Franklin & Staff after their 28th games at PSU, and another 38 games at Vandy is panic not an excuse anymore.
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So when do you think the PSU OL & DL will be ready for prime Time in 2016? I ask because I don't know when for PSU?
However, I believe OSU, Iowa, MSU, RU, and UMD will have their OLs and DLs by the end 2016 and better for 2017?
Minnesota will portend success on that too this week. Any thoughts?
I think PSU will finish either 7-5 or 6-6. I don't think 3 years is near enough time to turn the program around, given what it was when he took over.
However, if they finish 7-5 or 6-6 and recruiting is still in the crapper at around a Top 20 to 30 type of class and more attractive candidates are out there that PSU fans will rally around, then they should make a change.
Les Miles is out there and its an intriguing choice. He's a Big 10 guy and as the face of their program, he would immediately make the Nits likable to the rest of the country, which right now, people tend to either feel indifferent or don't care for PSU. He could sure as hell recruit better than what JF is giving the Nits right now.
No excuses are needed for the job he did at Vandy. What he did at Vandy will likely never be repeated in our lifetime. There is no way anyone with an ounce of objectivity can say the job he did at Vandy was anything less than phenomenal.
However, if they finish 7-5 or 6-6 and recruiting is still in the crapper at around a Top 20 to 30 type of class and more attractive candidates are out there that PSU fans will rally around, then they should make a change.
Les Miles is out there and its an intriguing choice. He's a Big 10 guy and as the face of their program, he would immediately make the Nits likable to the rest of the country, which right now, people tend to either feel indifferent or don't care for PSU. He could sure as hell recruit better than what JF is giving the Nits right now.
No excuses are needed for the job he did at Vandy. What he did at Vandy will likely never be repeated in our lifetime. There is no way anyone with an ounce of objectivity can say the job he did at Vandy was anything less than phenomenal.
I have zero problems supporting any of our coaches while employed here. I'm a FAN and I'm also on the PITT board. How is that even remotely an issue? If I can't be a homer here, then where?I honestly didn't know.
I'm not making snide remarks about Pitt. I'm just pointing out that a lot of our fans would never hold our coach up to the same standards as they do other coaches. You know its true Pitt-Girl. You've been known to carry water for Chryst from time to time.
The problem becomes when someone is on the PITT board defending an opposing coach using Pitt as the barometer. Understand? You're playing devil's advocate in the wrong forum.
You are so comical.
Bill Obrien had two seasons of 8-4 and 7-5. He didnt take over a train wreck
And if what he did at Vandy... which is go 24-15 and 11-13 vs the SEC will never be repeated in our lifetimes, then we will have lame lifetimes
Victories against
Kentucky, 2011 who was 5-7
Ole Miss, 2011 who was 2-10 (0-8 in SEC)
Missouri, 2012 who was 5-7
Auburn, 2012 who was 3-9(0-8 in SEC)
Kentucky, 2012, who was 2-10
Ole Miss, 2012, who was 6-6
Tennessee, 2012, who was 5-7(1-7 in SEC)
GEORGIA, 2013 who was ACTUALLY 8-5 first winning record win
Florida, 2013, who was 4-8
Kentucky, 2013 who was 2-10
Tennessee, 2013 who was 5-7
THIS is his entire win count in the SEC. This is so impressive you said wouldnt be repeated in our lifetimes????? Then I guess Walt Harris wants to talk to you.
Although, to be fair he also beat:
Austin Peay, 2013, who was 0-12
UMASS, 2013, who was 1-11
UAB, 2013, who was 2-10 and folded their team
Presbyterian, 2012, who was 2-9
UMASS, 2012 who was 1-11
Wake Forest twice, 2012,1013 both years 5-7
Elon, 2011, who was 5-6 and they are Elon
UCONN, 2011, who was 5-7 and in a defunct league
Army, 2011, who was 3-9.
That is 10 wins, vs a schedule that is 29-89
Zoiks!!!!
Why is that a problem? It just looks totally ridiculous to talk about how terrible one coach is when he is producing practically the exact same results as a coach you are carrying water for. Because it almost sounds like you have an inferiority complex as if 7-5 is terrible at PSU under any circumstance, but we should be happy with our coaches if they go 7-5 or 6-6.
Well, I know you are no statistician, but 7-6 for PSU is below the control limits, 7-5 for Pitt is not.
But beyond that ... WE KNOW BAD COACHING. We can see Narduzzi is not that. We can also see Franklin is. I dont recall anyone bashing BOB on here outside of his fighting with Tom Brady.
You nailed this! And many like her don't even see the hypocrisy!
Both schools coaches, at this time in their tenure, are shown to be avg, can that change, yes, will it change, who knows.
I think Duzz is the better coach , and Franklin better recruiter , but it's still early on this as well
wow, that is really unimpressive. I doubt he is doing any better at UPS either, but dont have the time you do to map that out
IT"S FREAKING VANDERBILT! Why don't you break down Vandy's wins before Franklin and after. It shouldn't take very long.
PSU's line play isn't going to dramatically improve in 2016.
PSU and Minnesota are two mediocre teams and that game could go either way.
PSU isn't ready for prime time. They aren't going to be ready for prime time for the forseeable future. They will never see prime time again if their recruiting doesn't get a helluva lot better, because they can't win bringing in the type of classes Franklin is recruiting.
Obviously better since we won the game.
It is really fun debating this penn state fan, but I have to get back to work. If either of your personalities want to rebuff why Franklin is an amazing coach for the ages, yet, you continuously lambaste Narduzzi, then please let me know.
Why do WE lambaste Franklin while pumping up Narduzzi?? Because... the rest of us on this Pitt forum, are actual Pitt fans. And... of course, Narduzzi is the better coach
Dude... you literally said what he did at Vanderbilt will never be repeated in our lifetimes.
Your absolute gay love for this knob of a coach is comical. It is FRANKLy embarrassing. although, like I wish Franklin will remain Ped State coach, I wish youd stay on this Pitt forum for us to ridicule for years to come.
Wow, you must not know this poster. He drives 7 hours each way to attend Pitt games, been a fan and supporter of Pitt for 30 years or better. Season tickets and donations , and you want to question him????? When people ASSUME , we know what that means about them
"TD_6082, post: 1602729, member: 510"]I think PSU will finish either 7-5 or 6-6. I don't think 3 years is near enough time to turn the program around, given what it was when he took over.
Alright, you said it may take 2017 or 2018, so that is very fair comment! I don't see it right now, unless there is much improvement you are discounting that Maryland and Rutgers will be improving too?
However, if they finish 7-5 or 6-6 and recruiting is still in the crapper at around a Top 20 to 30 type of class and more attractive candidates are out there that PSU fans will rally around, then they should make a change.
Fair again.
Les Miles is out there and its an intriguing choice.
I can see Les Miles sitting out a year or two to take a break and get energized and look at options, like coach rod did and Tressel is doing too? But grabbing a Michigan Grad and PSU Program is an attractive Duo & Duo!
He's a Big 10 guy and as the face of their program, he would immediately make the Nits likable to the rest of the country, which right now, people tend to either feel indifferent or don't care for PSU. He could sure as hell recruit better than what JF is giving the Nits right now.
Agree! I see he would turn it around like Harbaugh did in his first year too.
No excuses are needed for the job he did at Vandy. What he did at Vandy will likely never be repeated in our lifetime.
I don't! Vandy can always find a Great Caoch to do it, Franklin came and went, and with mostly other Players from the previous coach and his best Staffers left him and were a bigger part of it than Franklin? Franklin got out the right time and PSU bought some Spoiled Goods in coaching in how I see it.
Kind of like Willingham from Stanford to Notre Dame, and could not handle a Top Program on the level they expect, and then went to Washington and failed to rebuild that too? You are missing that point!
Stanford like Vandy, Northwestern, and Virginia won't allow acceptance of just any kind of recruits, the GPA is important unlike the myths at PSU.
Plus, those Fan Bases, accept 8 Wins as success in PAC-12, ACC, Big-10, and SEC, and that does not cut it at ND, FSU, UGA, or USC.
This is PSU's dilemma after the Scandal with 2012 Reforms competing with MSU, OSU, and UM renewed Success? Franklin used Vandy to make a Quantum Program Jump, but forgot that kind of Leap is not the Norm in the Big Ten East!
Stanford found Harbaugh and then Shaw and is fine for now until USC finds another Carroll or Shaw leaves.
There is no way anyone with an ounce of objectivity can say the job he did at Vandy was anything less than phenomenal.
I just did with a Staff Franklin no longer has like he did at Vandy, and you can't explain by excuses how after 3 years with way better recruiting he is doing such a horrible job right now at PSU and the OL looks worse than last 2 years, now the LBs & DLs too?? ST stunk last year as well? Is this progress or regress?
Some coaches hit their heights when higher heights are expected and what they did before at a lower program is not acceptable at a bigger program where demanding 10 wins is consider a failure over 5 years, look at UGA, LSU, USC today, and Upsets Fans Bases are happening ND, FSU, TEXAS & OU too? Just like Michigan the year before!
PENN STATE is not Vandy and that was 3 years ago as you keep waiting?
Alright, you said it may take 2017 or 2018, so that is very fair comment! I don't see it right now, unless there is much improvement you are discounting that Maryland and Rutgers will be improving too?
However, if they finish 7-5 or 6-6 and recruiting is still in the crapper at around a Top 20 to 30 type of class and more attractive candidates are out there that PSU fans will rally around, then they should make a change.
Fair again.
Les Miles is out there and its an intriguing choice.
I can see Les Miles sitting out a year or two to take a break and get energized and look at options, like coach rod did and Tressel is doing too? But grabbing a Michigan Grad and PSU Program is an attractive Duo & Duo!
He's a Big 10 guy and as the face of their program, he would immediately make the Nits likable to the rest of the country, which right now, people tend to either feel indifferent or don't care for PSU. He could sure as hell recruit better than what JF is giving the Nits right now.
Agree! I see he would turn it around like Harbaugh did in his first year too.
No excuses are needed for the job he did at Vandy. What he did at Vandy will likely never be repeated in our lifetime.
I don't! Vandy can always find a Great Caoch to do it, Franklin came and went, and with mostly other Players from the previous coach and his best Staffers left him and were a bigger part of it than Franklin? Franklin got out the right time and PSU bought some Spoiled Goods in coaching in how I see it.
Kind of like Willingham from Stanford to Notre Dame, and could not handle a Top Program on the level they expect, and then went to Washington and failed to rebuild that too? You are missing that point!
Stanford like Vandy, Northwestern, and Virginia won't allow acceptance of just any kind of recruits, the GPA is important unlike the myths at PSU.
Plus, those Fan Bases, accept 8 Wins as success in PAC-12, ACC, Big-10, and SEC, and that does not cut it at ND, FSU, UGA, or USC.
This is PSU's dilemma after the Scandal with 2012 Reforms competing with MSU, OSU, and UM renewed Success? Franklin used Vandy to make a Quantum Program Jump, but forgot that kind of Leap is not the Norm in the Big Ten East!
Stanford found Harbaugh and then Shaw and is fine for now until USC finds another Carroll or Shaw leaves.
There is no way anyone with an ounce of objectivity can say the job he did at Vandy was anything less than phenomenal.
I just did with a Staff Franklin no longer has like he did at Vandy, and you can't explain by excuses how after 3 years with way better recruiting he is doing such a horrible job right now at PSU and the OL looks worse than last 2 years, now the LBs & DLs too?? ST stunk last year as well? Is this progress or regress?
Some coaches hit their heights when higher heights are expected and what they did before at a lower program is not acceptable at a bigger program where demanding 10 wins is consider a failure over 5 years, look at UGA, LSU, USC today, and Upsets Fans Bases are happening ND, FSU, TEXAS & OU too? Just like Michigan the year before!
PENN STATE is not Vandy and that was 3 years ago as you keep waiting?
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You are right... haha... I dont know the poster. How do you know the poster??? Im guessing from threesomes with Franklin???
By the way... how is what you just wrote have anything to do with his man love for Franklin?? And... no what does it mean about them? That I made an ass out of you and me?? How did I do that? I made an ass out of his ridiculous comment that what Franklin did at Vanderbilt was akin to God creating the universe in a week... and I backed it up with analysis, details, and facts.
I wrote this: Dude... you literally said what he did at Vanderbilt will never be repeated in our lifetimes.
Your absolute gay love for this knob of a coach is comical. It is FRANKLy embarrassing. although, like I wish Franklin will remain Ped State coach, I wish youd stay on this Pitt forum for us to ridicule for years to come
And you come back with him being a huge Pitt fan??? OK??
I like TD viewpoints and discussions but I am leaving too, see you Monday, or Sunday, off to a weekend elsewhere.
Dude... you literally said what he did at Vanderbilt will never be repeated in our lifetimes.
Your absolute gay love for this knob of a coach is comical. It is FRANKLy embarrassing. although, like I wish Franklin will remain Ped State coach, I wish youd stay on this Pitt forum for us to ridicule for years to come.
Yes, It won't be repeated in our lifetimes. Vandy has been to 7 bowls in the history of their program. Franklin took Vandy to 3 of them.
JF won 4 SEC games in his last year at Vandy. Vandy has won a total of 3 SEC games in the 2 years before Franklin and the 2, now going on 3 years since he left.
I'm a Pitt fan. I'm not going anywhere. I've been here since the Frank Sokol days.
mmm... well UCF has been to 7 and O'Leary coached everyone.
Wake Forest has been to 10, Groebe has coached 5 of them
Rutgers has been in 9, and Sciano coached 5 and Flood coached 3
Indiana has 10, Bill Mallory took them to 5
There are many many more... but you get the picture. Unless you are a mosquito, and believe me, with how much you suck I can see why one may confuse you for one... your lifetime has seen many bad programs that had momentary lapses of mediocrity.
Normally this would tell you the previous coach really sucked at recruiting good players.
But in Vandy's case, this was because have the new recruits Franklin brought in were kicked off the team for rape and other reasons.
Also, teams that had very bad years like Florida, Auburn and Ole Miss, all got way better
Grobe also did a phenomenal job at Wake & it will be difficult for anyone to have the same kind of success there as well.
UCF, RU, and IU had unprecedented success under the leadership you mentioned as well, but its not the same as Vandy or Wake. Apples and Oranges. Vandy & Wake are small private schools with higher standards competing against powerhouse programs. It's just not the same.
