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Okay. We agree then that taxpayers pay the school district to educate their kids. What else should we tax people for the greater good? A public pool? Vaccines? The latest AI?

What is this word you use - "Public Money"? There is only currency. It's neither public nor private. The currency that school districts confiscate from property owners is taken from private individuals and transferred to a government program.

Americans have been placed under a spell. The nation founded by Christians and based upon the the axiom that the sole purpose of government is to protect the unalienable rights of individuals has moved to the left and accepts the notion that government exists to provide services to the people that politicians believe serve the greater God.

This concept was anthema to the founders.

And FWIW, the Founders would puke if anyone used the class or wealth status of individuals to limit or expand the privileges granted to them by the government. That rich guy in USC deserves the same considerations as the poor slacker in Freeport.

Well, yea, I agree with the last paragraph. No public money should go towards a public education whether you are rich in USC or poor in Freeport. But, just saying that if you absolutely have to have school choice, it would be absolutely crazy for USC residents to pay for a doctor's kid to go to Central Catholic when USC is more than likely a much better school (hard to say since privates don't have standardized testing).

On the first paragraph. Local taxes should be decided locally. If a town doesn't want to have a school district, fine. Eliminate it. If a town wants to put in a pool and tax people, do it. But you better make sure your electorate wants it. You guys want Big Government to make all these local decisions for you.

Remember Covid? All I heard was that Wolf was a tyrant for mandating masks. Wack job parents were losing their minds and running for school board seats to Eliminate masks. The argument was it should have been a local decision. You guys were all about that decision being made locally but are all for the state banning books or telling schools what to teach. At least be consistent. This is why I say you guys are Big Government people as long as it's something you agree with. Inotherwords, you are authoritarians. And this is why authoritarianism has become so popular on the right. Democracy is slow and messy. If you can elect a President or Governor to meddle in the everyday lives of people, but the meddling are things you agree with, then you are fine with that.
 
Well, yea, I agree with the last paragraph. No public money should go towards a public education whether you are rich in USC or poor in Freeport. But, just saying that if you absolutely have to have school choice, it would be absolutely crazy for USC residents to pay for a doctor's kid to go to Central Catholic when USC is more than likely a much better school (hard to say since privates don't have standardized testing).

On the first paragraph. Local taxes should be decided locally. If a town doesn't want to have a school district, fine. Eliminate it. If a town wants to put in a pool and tax people, do it. But you better make sure your electorate wants it. You guys want Big Government to make all these local decisions for you.

Remember Covid? All I heard was that Wolf was a tyrant for mandating masks. Wack job parents were losing their minds and running for school board seats to Eliminate masks. The argument was it should have been a local decision. You guys were all about that decision being made locally but are all for the state banning books or telling schools what to teach. At least be consistent. This is why I say you guys are Big Government people as long as it's something you agree with. Inotherwords, you are authoritarians. And this is why authoritarianism has become so popular on the right. Democracy is slow and messy. If you can elect a President or Governor to meddle in the everyday lives of people, but the meddling are things you agree with, then you are fine with that.
This isn't too bad, but I think you make some unwarranted leaps in logic and are neglecting some fundamental legalities (if that is the correct term)

First, the local governments are under the authority of the State, as opposed to the Federal/National government which was created by the States with each government holding separate jurisdictions.

So, citizens ratify a State Constitution, which therein codifies municipal government authority according to how we want them structured and how much local authority they may have.

Just as States charter a Corp, it charters a school district. The State does not ban books. It decides what books its school districts may use, or else it delegates those decisions to school boards.

Under COVID, it wasn't about consistency, but rather about whether the State had the Constitutional authority to issue health mandates.

Big Government is a conservative buzz word just like Government Money is a liberal buzz word. These terms are are nothing but reflections of our ideological bias. Basically it's one of many ways we say, "That's not fair!".

Big government should probably be more accurately termed overreaching government. Local authority can be overreaching as much as government at the State level. What matters is whether or not the State was delegated authority or the school district was. So, when you use your buzz word "authoritarian", first keep in mind that all government is authoritarian and the way we limit authoritarianism is by crafting a well designed Constitution. Also keep in mind that meddling authoritarian judges can be appointed just as well as a president, governor, or legislator. I'm sure few Dems saw Judge Broasberg as an authoritarian meddler. It cuts both ways. A better term is tyrannical. It originally meant a ruler who tok or exercised power without proper authorization, such as a conqueror.

Sadly, people ignore local government issues until they have a crisis.
 
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Yes. Though I would hope they would not do so except under extreme circumstances.

You really need to take civics classes.

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.”

Free to organize themselves locally, the states have created various municipal sub-divisions such as counties, cities, townships, library boards, and special taxing districts. The relationship of these sub-divisions between each other and the state, and the authority each sub-division possesses are subjects of state constitutions and statutes
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A prime example was the governor of NY threatening to remove the mayor of NYC.

The US Constitution and Local Government

Back in the 6Os, liberal Democrat legal scholar Raoul Berger wrote a series of books on the 14th Amendment and one called Government by Judiciary. He basically showed how the SCOTUS butchered the 14th amendment. I got almost all his books.

As promised, I got this from AI when I searched Raoul Berger on the 14th amendment.

"AI Overview

Raoul Berger, a prominent constitutional scholar, argued that the Privileges or Immunities Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment should be interpreted narrowly, focusing on the rights of citizens of the United States, and not as a basis for broad federal protection of individual rights.
Here's a more detailed explanation of Berger's perspective:
Narrow Interpretation of the Privileges or Immunities Clause:
Berger believed that the Privileges or Immunities Clause, which states "No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States," should be interpreted in a limited way, focusing on the rights of U.S. citizens, not as a general basis for federal protection of individual rights.
Emphasis on Original Intent:
Berger, a proponent of originalism, argued that the clause's meaning should be determined by the original intent of the framers, and that the clause was intended to protect specific rights of national citizenship, not to expand federal power over state actions.
Limited Scope of the Clause:


Berger argued that the Privileges or Immunities Clause, as understood by the framers, did not encompass the rights protected by the Bill of Rights.


Focus on Specific Rights:
Berger believed that the Privileges or Immunities Clause protected a limited set of rights related to the status of being a national citizen, such as the right to travel freely between states, to petition the federal government, and to engage in interstate commerce.
Relevance to the Fourteenth Amendment:
Berger's views on the Privileges or Immunities Clause are central to his broader interpretation of the Fourteenth Amendment, which he argued was intended to address the specific issue of slavery and racial discrimination in the states.
Counter to Judicial Activism:
Berger's work is often seen as a critique of judicial activism, arguing that the Court should not expand the scope of constitutional rights beyond what the framers intended.
Contrasting Views:
Akhil Amar, another prominent constitutional scholar, argues that the framers of the Fourteenth Amendment wanted to extend the due process right not only to citizens, but to all other persons as well, which required a separate Due Process Clause. "

The author of the Amendment said otherwise. Akhil Amar is a poopy head. 💩
 
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This isn't too bad, but I think you make some unwarranted leaps in logic and are neglecting some fundamental legalities (if that is the correct term)

First, the local governments are under the authority of the State, as opposed to the Federal/National government which was created by the States with each government holding separate jurisdictions.

So, citizens ratify a State Constitution, which therein codifies municipal government authority according to how we want them structured and how much local authority they may have.

Just as States charter a Corp, it charters a school district. The State does not ban books. It decides what books its school districts may use, or else it delegates those decisions to school boards.

Under COVID, it wasn't about consistency, but rather about whether the State had the Constitutional authority to issue health mandates.

Big Government is a conservative buzz word just like Government Money is a liberal buzz word. These terms are are nothing but reflections of our ideological bias. Basically it's one of many ways we say, "That's not fair!".

Big government should probably be more accurately termed overreaching government. Local authority can be overreaching as much as government at the State level. What matters is whether or not the State was delegated authority or the school district was. So, when you use your buzz word "authoritarian", first keep in mind that all government is authoritarian and the way we limit authoritarianism is by crafting a well designed Constitution. Also keep in mind that meddling authoritarian judges can be appointed just as well as a president, governor, or legislator. I'm sure few Dems saw Judge Broasberg as an authoritarian meddler. It cuts both ways. A better term is tyrannical. It originally meant a ruler who tok or exercised power without proper authorization, such as a conqueror.

Sadly, people ignore local government issues until they have a crisis.
I see you are giving smf the civics class he either failed or never had. You are a true patriot and you’re patience is impressive

You may want to tell him about referendums Ya know those locks and state issues in the ballet that citizens vote on to decide if they want to raise taxes to build something like a road or a school or even a pool.

Good Lord he’s living proof that a college degree doesn’t mean you know anything or on his words equates to “intelligence.”
 
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I'm guessing that you're a Thomas Massie fan as I am. Its topic is unrelated but your post reminded me of an X post from him recently.

Omg you hit a nerve with me. I’ve been saying this in the locker room for 20 years. If I try to use my FSA card at Walgreens for a candy bar or shampoo, the computers at the register will deny the FSA card. There’s no reason the same can’t apply to a EBT card in a grocery store. Yes sugary foods that lead to diabetes and all kinds of other ailments that put strain on Medicaid, etc. should not be allowed to be used with EBT cards. I’d also argue that shrimp and lobster and certain high priced “luxury” type foods shouldn’t either. But that’s a discussion for another day. Let’s just start with Soda, chips, cakes, ice cream, and certain cereals.

There’s a saying that the healthiest way to shop at a grocery store is to shop around the perimeter of the store and avoid the middle. That’s where you’ll find the produce, dairy, etc. Maybe in a generation we can have trained endless generations of unhealthy people to skip the soda and chips aisle altogether and not even think about going there.
 
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Omg you hit a nerve with me. I’ve been saying this in the locker room for 20 years. If I try to use my FSA card at Walgreens for a candy bar or shampoo, the computers at the register will deny the FSA card. There’s no reason the same can’t apply to a EBT card in a grocery store. Yes sugary foods that lead to diabetes and all kinds of other ailments that put strain on Medicaid, etc. should not be allowed to be used with EBT cards. I’d also argue that shrimp and lobster and certain high priced “luxury” type foods shouldn’t either. But that’s a discussion for another day. Let’s just start with Soda, chips, cakes, ice cream, and certain cereals.

There’s a saying that the healthiest way to shop at a grocery store is to shop around the perimeter of the store and avoid the middle. That’s where you’ll find the produce, dairy, etc. Maybe in a generation we can have trained endless generations of unhealthy people to skip the soda and chips aisle altogether and not even think about going there.
But those smart grocers will figure out a way to mix in soda with the good stuff around the perimeter. They will put grape soda beside grapes, orange soda beside oranges, potato chips beside potatoes, Oreos beside milk, etc. ;)
 
This isn't too bad, but I think you make some unwarranted leaps in logic and are neglecting some fundamental legalities (if that is the correct term)

First, the local governments are under the authority of the State, as opposed to the Federal/National government which was created by the States with each government holding separate jurisdictions.

So, citizens ratify a State Constitution, which therein codifies municipal government authority according to how we want them structured and how much local authority they may have.

Just as States charter a Corp, it charters a school district. The State does not ban books. It decides what books its school districts may use, or else it delegates those decisions to school boards.

Under COVID, it wasn't about consistency, but rather about whether the State had the Constitutional authority to issue health mandates.

Big Government is a conservative buzz word just like Government Money is a liberal buzz word. These terms are are nothing but reflections of our ideological bias. Basically it's one of many ways we say, "That's not fair!".

Big government should probably be more accurately termed overreaching government. Local authority can be overreaching as much as government at the State level. What matters is whether or not the State was delegated authority or the school district was. So, when you use your buzz word "authoritarian", first keep in mind that all government is authoritarian and the way we limit authoritarianism is by crafting a well designed Constitution. Also keep in mind that meddling authoritarian judges can be appointed just as well as a president, governor, or legislator. I'm sure few Dems saw Judge Broasberg as an authoritarian meddler. It cuts both ways. A better term is tyrannical. It originally meant a ruler who tok or exercised power without proper authorization, such as a conqueror.

Sadly, people ignore local government issues until they have a crisis.

Appreciate the thoughtful response. You make some good points here. However, I still believe decisions should be made locally. We can debate whether the state has or doesn't have the authority to ban books or mandate that SS courses must teach that the 2020 election was rigged. But at the end of the day, I believe the States are overreaching here. A local district should have the say on these issues. The voters elect a school board to decide how the school is run. So, for you or NCPitt or whoever to come in and say you are in favor of a governor banning books screams Big Government to me. Would you also be in favor of Josh Shapiro mandating a Critical Race Theory course in HS? I wouldn't. If a local school district wanted to do that, that's on them. You have to be consistent.
 
Yea, they are weird but it's simple. They don't get special bathrooms or litter boxes or fire hydrants. We don't need to get crazy. Let's use common sense. If you want to act and dress like a dog, that it's fine. But you aren't a dog so you don't get special bathrooms. The government shouldn't tell you how to dress or if you can pretend to scratch your furry friend. We can just all agree it's weird and move on. BTW, I never knew this was even a thing in schools until recently.
Eggzactly!! Well done. Just like men dressing up like girls. You ain't a women, so use the urinal you freak.
 
I see you are giving smf the civics class he either failed or never had. You are a true patriot and you’re patience is impressive

You may want to tell him about referendums Ya know those locks and state issues in the ballet that citizens vote on to decide if they want to raise taxes to build something like a road or a school or even a pool.

Good Lord he’s living proof that a college degree doesn’t mean you know anything or on his words equates to “intelligence.”
Intelligence covers a lot of traits. SMF makes a big deal of being "educated".

People who are born with high IQs are blessed, but IQ is only one aspect of intelligence. Logic, analytic ability, reading comprehension, etc. all factor into what makes someone intelligent. Also, nobody can speak intelligently on a subject without have studied it. I rarely post on the sports boards because I never played organized hoops or fb.

I would bet SMF knows his job. He writes well. He has a degree. I find some of his posts to offer rather original ideas. He's smart.

When it comes to politics, I just don't see him put forth many legal or historical arguments to support his opinion. That tells me he likely hasn't studied so to challenge his thinking.

I've found that engrs and attys are two disciplines that mainly teach "how to think". You can be educated and know all about a subject like archaeology, for example, but never acquired thinking skills.

I once was looking for a keyboard player to play with in a group, but also write keyboard parts for original songs. He was shocked. He said no way could he do that. I thought how can you perform most anything in a band, but can't figure out a tune. That surprised me. Was he dumb or was it that he just never tried to write? 🤷

People fascinate me sometimes
 
Well, yea, I agree with the last paragraph. No public money should go towards a public education whether you are rich in USC or poor in Freeport. But, just saying that if you absolutely have to have school choice, it would be absolutely crazy for USC residents to pay for a doctor's kid to go to Central Catholic when USC is more than likely a much better school (hard to say since privates don't have standardized testing).

On the first paragraph. Local taxes should be decided locally. If a town doesn't want to have a school district, fine. Eliminate it. If a town wants to put in a pool and tax people, do it. But you better make sure your electorate wants it. You guys want Big Government to make all these local decisions for you.

Remember Covid? All I heard was that Wolf was a tyrant for mandating masks. Wack job parents were losing their minds and running for school board seats to Eliminate masks. The argument was it should have been a local decision. You guys were all about that decision being made locally but are all for the state banning books or telling schools what to teach. At least be consistent. This is why I say you guys are Big Government people as long as it's something you agree with. Inotherwords, you are authoritarians. And this is why authoritarianism has become so popular on the right. Democracy is slow and messy. If you can elect a President or Governor to meddle in the everyday lives of people, but the meddling are things you agree with, then you are fine with that.
There is an interesting theme underlying this. It is what the people want. We supposedly vote for "representatives" who are supposed to be our voice and vote on matters accordingly. But they don't. Almost always, they vote and tilt towards party dogma. I think we should deal with more of these issues on referendums and let people actually vote on them. There are alot of issues where almost 80% of the electorate agree, yet because we are 50/50 essentially with our elected officials, the 80% is completely minimized. Men playing women sports. Abortion. Certain gun rights. Voter ID, etc.....
 
Appreciate the thoughtful response. You make some good points here. However, I still believe decisions should be made locally. We can debate whether the state has or doesn't have the authority to ban books or mandate that SS courses must teach that the 2020 election was rigged. But at the end of the day, I believe the States are overreaching here. A local district should have the say on these issues. The voters elect a school board to decide how the school is run. So, for you or NCPitt or whoever to come in and say you are in favor of a governor banning books screams Big Government to me. Would you also be in favor of Josh Shapiro mandating a Critical Race Theory course in HS? I wouldn't. If a local school district wanted to do that, that's on them. You have to be consistent.
You are deliberately misquoting me. You asked if I supported the state's right to intervene in local issues. My answer was yes, I do, meaning that I support states' rights as set forth in the Constitution. But I added that would prefer that they didn't intervene because I believe the best govt is that which is closest to the voter.
 
You are deliberately misquoting me. You asked if I supported the state's right to intervene in local issues. My answer was yes, I do, meaning that I support states' rights as set forth in the Constitution. But I added that would prefer that they didn't intervene because I believe the best govt is that which is closest to the voter.

Ok. So although you don't agree with Critical Race Theory being taught, you agree that Josh Shapiro has every right to make it a mandatory half-year course for every senior at a PA public school even if the school board and parents universally hate this idea?
 
Appreciate the thoughtful response. You make some good points here. However, I still believe decisions should be made locally. We can debate whether the state has or doesn't have the authority to ban books or mandate that SS courses must teach that the 2020 election was rigged. But at the end of the day, I believe the States are overreaching here. A local district should have the say on these issues. The voters elect a school board to decide how the school is run. So, for you or NCPitt or whoever to come in and say you are in favor of a governor banning books screams Big Government to me. Would you also be in favor of Josh Shapiro mandating a Critical Race Theory course in HS? I wouldn't. If a local school district wanted to do that, that's on them. You have to be consistent.
This makes perfect sense. So you would want to amend our State Constitution to give more authority locally

At the risk of sounding even more like a pedantic old twat than I have already, I'm going to ask here why you assume I would favor State vs local control? I'd likely be on your side. I was only describing the current set up in Pennsylvania and not my own preference.

I want SMF to be the best SMF possible. I'm not hesitant to offer what I think is constructive criticism even if I'm wrong. I like finding out that I'm wrong. That means you made me smarter than I was yesterday. Pride is the enemy.

Lemme know once you submit your amendment to a referendum. 😉
 
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There is an interesting theme underlying this. It is what the people want. We supposedly vote for "representatives" who are supposed to be our voice and vote on matters accordingly. But they don't. Almost always, they vote and tilt towards party dogma. I think we should deal with more of these issues on referendums and let people actually vote on them. There are alot of issues where almost 80% of the electorate agree, yet because we are 50/50 essentially with our elected officials, the 80% is completely minimized. Men playing women sports. Abortion. Certain gun rights. Voter ID, etc.....

This is true. But it's also why Democracy is messy. It's easier to get what you want in an authoritarian regime. I would say that limiting Senate terms could drastically reshape everything because Senators would then be able to vote for what they believe or what their constituents believe instead of needing to go with the party to get re-elected. You see this as most retiring Senators have voted in opposition to Trump.
 
At the risk of sounding even more like a pedantic old twat than I have already, I'm going to ask here why you assume I would favor State vs local control?
To be honest, it was my assumption that you would favor whatever would benefit your team. I may be wrong and I am a bit surprised.

If you are saying you believe the governor has every right to ban books AND mandate critical race theory classes, then much respect.

You still lose me with the opposition to mask mandates in schools or in public places.
 
Omg you hit a nerve with me. I’ve been saying this in the locker room for 20 years. If I try to use my FSA card at Walgreens for a candy bar or shampoo, the computers at the register will deny the FSA card. There’s no reason the same can’t apply to a EBT card in a grocery store. Yes sugary foods that lead to diabetes and all kinds of other ailments that put strain on Medicaid, etc. should not be allowed to be used with EBT cards. I’d also argue that shrimp and lobster and certain high priced “luxury” type foods shouldn’t either. But that’s a discussion for another day. Let’s just start with Soda, chips, cakes, ice cream, and certain cereals.

There’s a saying that the healthiest way to shop at a grocery store is to shop around the perimeter of the store and avoid the middle. That’s where you’ll find the produce, dairy, etc. Maybe in a generation we can have trained endless generations of unhealthy people to skip the soda and chips aisle altogether and not even think about going there.
In response to eating healthy and I don’t care who I offend but, when you see fat people with their overweight children go through the grocery store buying all of the above mentioned foods, those kids don’t have a chance in life.
Ten years ago I was diagnosed with adult diabetes. I then made a life choice in my diet and eliminated 90% of sugary foods from my diet. My wife has me reading labels on my food choices. Adding walking and eating healthy I have lost 35 pounds and my A1C and glucose levels are at normal levels. I do cheat sometimes because I was addicted to donuts but self control is the key to healthy eating habits.
One other thing when it comes to being healthy you must go to the doctor twice a year. If you have someone in your family that had colon cancer you MUST get a colonoscopy at least every 5 years. I have had 6 of them. It’s not a big deal getting one and you may save your life. Don’t be afraid to discuss this with your doctor.
 
In response to eating healthy and I don’t care who I offend but, when you see fat people with their overweight children go through the grocery store buying all of the above mentioned foods, those kids don’t have a chance in life.
Ten years ago I was diagnosed with adult diabetes. I then made a life choice in my diet and eliminated 90% of sugary foods from my diet. My wife has me reading labels on my food choices. Adding walking and eating healthy I have lost 35 pounds and my A1C and glucose levels are at normal levels. I do cheat sometimes because I was addicted to donuts but self control is the key to healthy eating habits.
One other thing when it comes to being healthy you must go to the doctor twice a year. If you have someone in your family that had colon cancer you MUST get a colonoscopy at least every 5 years. I have had 6 of them. It’s not a big deal getting one and you may save your life. Don’t be afraid to discuss this with your doctor.
Well done, man. And good advice.
 
To be honest, it was my assumption that you would favor whatever would benefit your team. I may be wrong and I am a bit surprised.

If you are saying you believe the governor has every right to ban books AND mandate critical race theory classes, then much respect.

You still lose me with the opposition to mask mandates in schools or in public places.
Like you said, be consistent, right. The the governor is legally authorized to decide, I obey his determination. If I disagree, I try to vote him out, or try to change the constitution. I prefer local rule pretty much always.

But here's the thing people ignore. We think it's an either or situation. It's not. By the mere fact that we allow ANY politician to make these decisions for us, we already set the stage for conflict. This is why the Founders favored extremely limited government. Much like being a moderator on a Pitt recruiting board, ain't nobody gonna be happy with half of your decisions.

I'm against mask mandates because the virus is smaller than the holes in the mask and it is unhealthy for the wearer. I'm against stupid, especially when politicians do stupid simply to act like they are doing something.
 
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Intelligence covers a lot of traits. SMF makes a big deal of being "educated".

People who are born with high IQs are blessed, but IQ is only one aspect of intelligence. Logic, analytic ability, reading comprehension, etc. all factor into what makes someone intelligent. Also, nobody can speak intelligently on a subject without have studied it. I rarely post on the sports boards because I never played organized hoops or fb.

I would bet SMF knows his job. He writes well. He has a degree. I find some of his posts to offer rather original ideas. He's smart.

When it comes to politics, I just don't see him put forth many legal or historical arguments to support his opinion. That tells me he likely hasn't studied so to challenge his thinking.

I've found that engrs and attys are two disciplines that mainly teach "how to think". You can be educated and know all about a subject like archaeology, for example, but never acquired thinking skills.

I once was looking for a keyboard player to play with in a group, but also write keyboard parts for original songs. He was shocked. He said no way could he do that. I thought how can you perform most anything in a band, but can't figure out a tune. That surprised me. Was he dumb or was it that he just never tried to write? 🤷

People fascinate me sometimes
Outstanding post

I would add that the difference between really good engineers and book smart engineers or average engineers is the ability to think and solve unique problems. You could probably apply that to any/most professions.
 
Outstanding post

I would add that the difference between really good engineers and book smart engineers or average engineers is the ability to think and solve unique problems. You could probably apply that to any/most professions.
Agree. That's probably where IQ and innate creativity come in. Experience helps. And some people are just mechanical yet not very bright otherwise. My twenty something neighbor was an uneducated mechanic and fixed jets. Never learned his IQ. Give him an engine and 20 minutes and miracles happened. Great neighbor to have. Great guy. Too bad he got drunk and kicked a cop in the head. Bye bye neighbor.

I've always thought given 20 more IQ points I might have amounted to something in life. 🤷
 
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Ok. So although you don't agree with Critical Race Theory being taught, you agree that Josh Shapiro has every right to make it a mandatory half-year course for every senior at a PA public school even if the school board and parents universally hate this idea?
Yes. He has that right under the Constitution as I've made perfectly clear. Assuming that PA's charter/constitution (or whatever it is called there) allows it.
 
This is true. But it's also why Democracy is messy. It's easier to get what you want in an authoritarian regime. I would say that limiting Senate terms could drastically reshape everything because Senators would then be able to vote for what they believe or what their constituents believe instead of needing to go with the party to get re-elected. You see this as most retiring Senators have voted in opposition to Trump.
The right answer is to eliminate the 17th amendment and return to the state appointing Senators.
 
To be honest, it was my assumption that you would favor whatever would benefit your team. I may be wrong and I am a bit surprised.

If you are saying you believe the governor has every right to ban books AND mandate critical race theory classes, then much respect.

You still lose me with the opposition to mask mandates in schools or in public places.
Book-banning violates the 1st amendment. But no one is banning books.
 
In response to eating healthy and I don’t care who I offend but, when you see fat people with their overweight children go through the grocery store buying all of the above mentioned foods, those kids don’t have a chance in life.
Ten years ago I was diagnosed with adult diabetes. I then made a life choice in my diet and eliminated 90% of sugary foods from my diet. My wife has me reading labels on my food choices. Adding walking and eating healthy I have lost 35 pounds and my A1C and glucose levels are at normal levels. I do cheat sometimes because I was addicted to donuts but self control is the key to healthy eating habits.
One other thing when it comes to being healthy you must go to the doctor twice a year. If you have someone in your family that had colon cancer you MUST get a colonoscopy at least every 5 years. I have had 6 of them. It’s not a big deal getting one and you may save your life. Don’t be afraid to discuss this with your doctor.
I had a colonoscopy last week.

I'm still in rehab, eating everything I can get my hands on after purging and fasting for 1 1/2 days.
 
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Like you said, be consistent, right. The the governor is legally authorized to decide, I obey his determination. If I disagree, I try to vote him out, or try to change the constitution. I prefer local rule pretty much always.

But here's the thing people ignore. We think it's an either or situation. It's not. By the mere fact that we allow ANY politician to make these decisions for us, we already set the stage for conflict. This is why the Founders favored extremely limited government. Much like being a moderator on a Pitt recruiting board, ain't nobody gonna be happy with half of your decisions.

I'm against mask mandates because the virus is smaller than the holes in the mask and it is unhealthy for the wearer. I'm against stupid, especially when politicians do stupid simply to act like they are doing something.

You can be "against" mask mandates and I dont want to re-litigate Covid but you have to sell me on why Wolf wasn't authorized to tell the schools they were required. Why would this be any different than Wolf mandating metal detectors or a cop in every school or a nurse in every school? These are all public health measures it can be argued.

I would think your stance against masks should be "They don't help anything but the Governor has the right to order them in the schools." Mask mandates in the general public is an easier argument to make.
 
Agree. That's probably where IQ and innate creativity come in. Experience helps. And some people are just mechanical yet not very bright otherwise. My twenty something neighbor was an uneducated mechanic and fixed jets. Never learned his IQ. Give him an engine and 20 minutes and miracles happened. Great neighbor to have. Great guy. Too bad he got drunk and kicked a cop in the head. Bye bye neighbor.

I've always thought given 20 more IQ points I might have amounted to something in life. 🤷
Yeah there are alot of people who are "book smart" and worked really hard, lived in a library and graduated with good GPA's. That's admirable. They worked hard. But that doesn't mean necessarily they have more "intelligence". I am looking for problem solving skills, creativity and the ability to dissect important stuff vs small stuff and prioritize accordingly. I think also part of this, actually a huge part, and this is especially important for elected officials is the ability to clearly communicate and convey your thoughts and position. And while being "prepared" (book smart) again doesn't make you smarter, because what if something happens "off script" and the ability to react accordingly comes with a more wholistic understanding of the subject matter aside from book learned or being prepped.
 
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You can be "against" mask mandates and I dont want to re-litigate Covid but you have to sell me on why Wolf wasn't authorized to tell the schools they were required. Why would this be any different than Wolf mandating metal detectors or a cop in every school or a nurse in every school? These are all public health measures it can be argued.

I would think your stance against masks should be "They don't help anything but the Governor has the right to order them in the schools." Mask mandates in the general public is an easier argument to make.

If memory serves, the governor wasn't authorized with those powers
 
If memory serves, the governor wasn't authorized with those powers

Why?

Can the governor mandate metal detectors?

I fail to see the difference between the governor mandating critical race theory, masks during a pandemic, or metal detectors
 
Why?

Can the governor mandate metal detectors?

I fail to see the difference between the governor mandating critical race theory, masks during a pandemic, or metal detectors
I examined the emergency powers of the governor back then and I don't think medical mandates were something he was authorized to issue. If you think those powers you listed should be warranted, that's okay, but powers are usually specified. For example, Madison stated that Congress has "specific, enumerated powers" rather than "the power to make laws".
 
Yes. He has that right under the Constitution as I've made perfectly clear. Assuming that PA's charter/constitution (or whatever it is called there) allows it.
The federal constitution is irrelevant regarding Wolf. The PA constitution lists his emergency powers.

Seems like the constitution empowered the legislature to enact statutes to detail how each power is managed.

 
“But you better make sure your electorate wants it. You guys want Big Government to make all these local decisions for you.”

So when parents overwhelmingly say they don’t want gender studies in elementary school but the local schoolboard votes to do it anyway

The issue isn’t government It’s dumb uninformed people who keep voting for the same shit bags even at the local level. But ask them who the back up catcher is on the baseball team and they’ll know.

 
The federal constitution is irrelevant regarding Wolf. The PA constitution lists his emergency powers.

Seems like the constitution empowered the legislature to enact statutes to detail how each power is managed.

I was only referring to the Constitution giving that role to the state/governor.
 
I examined the emergency powers of the governor back then and I don't think medical mandates were something he was authorized to issue. If you think those powers you listed should be warranted, that's okay, but powers are usually specified. For example, Madison stated that Congress has "specific, enumerated powers" rather than "the power to make laws".

I'm mainly talking about schools though. I don't even want to get into whether he had the right to mandate masks at Walmart. For schools, though, I don't see what argument could even be made that he DIDNT have the right. Just as he can ban some books or install a CRT curriculum, he would have the right to put in a policy to protect the health of students. I don't see a school mask mandates as being any different than if he mandated metal detectors.
 
I'm mainly talking about schools though. I don't even want to get into whether he had the right to mandate masks at Walmart. For schools, though, I don't see what argument could even be made that he DIDNT have the right. Just as he can ban some books or install a CRT curriculum, he would have the right to put in a policy to protect the health of students. I don't see a school mask mandates as being any different than if he mandated metal detectors.
I doubt the governor is ever given dictatorial authority. It's either the school district who is authorized to make these calls or the PA legislature sets the guidelines.

FWIW it's a good habit to say that politicians have the authority to act instead a right to act. Rights never need authorization.
 
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