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BOB hillgrove is absolutely terrible

You want to move hillgrove off of play by play to do commentary, fine by me.

It's not breaking news or miserable to point out he's not good at his job. Football or basketball.
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But honest question for you guys - do you think the people in this thread are even capable of having fun?

I agree. And listening to Billy is nothing but fun. There was a play a couple seasons ago where Billy called a pass play by Pitt into the end zone a touchdown, and then an incompletion, and then an interception all on the same play. I mean sure, you had to wait a few seconds to find out the pass was actually incomplete, but with Billy you got the fun of thinking the play was a Pitt touchdown for a few moments, and then you were disappointed in the incompletion, and then you were pissed off about the interception, and in the end that made the fact that the pass was incomplete seem, well, not quite so bad in comparison.

I defy anyone to tell me that isn't the definition of fun.
 
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I agree. And listening to Billy is nothing but fun. There was a play a couple seasons ago where Billy called a pass play by Pitt into the end zone a touchdown, and then an incompletion, and then an interception all on the same play. I mean sure, you had to wait a few seconds to find out the pass was actually incomplete, but with Billy you got the fun of thinking the play was a Pitt touchdown for a few moments, and then you were disappointed in the incompletion, and then you were pissed off about the interception, and in the end that made the fact that the pass was incomplete seem, well, not quite so bad in comparison.

I defy anyone to tell me that isn't the definition of fun.

Confusion is the definition of fun?
 
I agree. And listening to Billy is nothing but fun. There was a play a couple seasons ago where Billy called a pass play by Pitt into the end zone a touchdown, and then an incompletion, and then an interception all on the same play. I mean sure, you had to wait a few seconds to find out the pass was actually incomplete, but with Billy you got the fun of thinking the play was a Pitt touchdown for a few moments, and then you were disappointed in the incompletion, and then you were pissed off about the interception, and in the end that made the fact that the pass was incomplete seem, well, not quite so bad in comparison.

I defy anyone to tell me that isn't the definition of fun.

I'm not suggesting for a second that what you are saying isn't true. I'm just saying that it doesn't bother me in the least. I know that eventually, Billy and whoever will get it right. But I really enjoy hearing the excitement in his voice that Hillgrove has for the Panthers. I feel the same way about the few basketball games I have to listen to on the radio. I love hearing Dick Groat's commentary which is pretty much "Wow!" or a "ah no!"

I don't expect anyone to be able to be able to explain perfectly about what they are seeing in front of them. I want someone to who can share the emotion of what's happening.

Another good example is the contrast between Pirates broadcasters Greg Brown vs. Tim Neverett. I know that Greg Brown can drive some folks a little crazy, but I just love listening to him. And while Neverett may even explain things more clearly, he just isn't nearly as enjoyable to me.

It's just a matter of what you enjoy, I suppose.
 
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I agree. I enjoy listening to people who are good at their job. Others don't seem to think actually doing the job well is important. To each his own.

It's almost as if we can't fathom that someone could be both good at doing the job and simultaneously be emotional about what they do. In the years since I've had a satellite radio and have had the opportunity to listen to games called by announcers for schools from all over the country I can tell you that that is decidedly not the case. In fact when you listen to some of the other people out there doing the job you realize just how woefully inadequate the job that Hillgrove does actually is.
 
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I agree. I enjoy listening to people who are good at their job. Others don't seem to think actually doing the job well is important. To each his own.

It's almost as if we can't fathom that someone could be both good at doing the job and simultaneously be emotional about what they do. In the years since I've had a satellite radio and have had the opportunity to listen to games called by announcers for schools from all over the country I can tell you that that is decidedly not the case. In fact when you listen to some of the other people out there doing the job you realize just how woefully inadequate the job the Hillgrove does actually is.

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He's been with Pitt for more than 4 decades and since he's been there so long it might be his job for life! LOL and he has been there for most of my life. Should WTAE put someone to replace him at some point, I would say yes Ryan Recker. He's from South Park (Pittsburgh area), been with WTAE since 1998, cover the last Pitt-Penn State game in 2000 and he graduated from Robert Morris! He's a young guy who will be around for years to come and I think he'd be honored to take over for Bill!
 
I'm not suggesting for a second that what you are saying isn't true. I'm just saying that it doesn't bother me in the least. I know that eventually, Billy and whoever will get it right. But I really enjoy hearing the excitement in his voice that Hillgrove has for the Panthers. I feel the same way about the few basketball games I have to listen to on the radio. I love hearing Dick Groat's commentary which is pretty much "Wow!" or a "ah no!"

I don't expect anyone to be able to be able to explain perfectly about what they are seeing in front of them. I want someone to who can share the emotion of what's happening.

Another good example is the contrast between Pirates broadcasters Greg Brown vs. Tim Neverett. I know that Greg Brown can drive some folks a little crazy, but I just love listening to him. And while Neverett may even explain things more clearly, he just isn't nearly as enjoyable to me.

It's just a matter of what you enjoy, I suppose.
Absolutely. Great post. So many who are bashing Bill here, who don't enjoy the sideshow, because they want a more encyclopedic play by play, because they are impatient to get the immediate result ... are those who often scoff and harrumph about fans who take Pitt sports too seriously, that its "just a game." Yet it enrages them that it takes an extra 5 seconds for Pat or Curtis to clarify something Bill or Dick might have wishfully seen?

There are more than enough Pittsburgh media types who lust over Pitt failures, including many of the turds on "our" flagship station. I like knowing there's at least one homer on our side.
 
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I agree. I enjoy listening to people who are good at their job. Others don't seem to think actually doing the job well is important. To each his own.

It's almost as if we can't fathom that someone could be both good at doing the job and simultaneously be emotional about what they do. In the years since I've had a satellite radio and have had the opportunity to listen to games called by announcers for schools from all over the country I can tell you that that is decidedly not the case. In fact when you listen to some of the other people out there doing the job you realize just how woefully inadequate the job that Hillgrove does actually is.

This is entertainment, so an assessment of "actually doing the job well" in this case is completely subjective.
 
I love Billy but at some point he will retire I"m not a fan of Rob King the person I would hire is Lanny Frattare. I have had the opportunity to listen to Lanny doing football he's outstanding
 
I love Billy but at some point he will retire I"m not a fan of Rob King the person I would hire is Lanny Frattare. I have had the opportunity to listen to Lanny doing football he's outstanding
Frattare is very good, but you can't start fresh with someone that old IMHO.
 
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This is entertainment, so an assessment of "actually doing the job well" in this case is completely subjective.

No offense, but that statement is ridiculous.

Art is subjective, but we can all agree that Monet was a better painter than the third grader down the street with his finger paints is. Music is subjective, but we can all agree that the Beatles were better than some group of high school kids who can't really play but are just trying to get girls. And we don't even have to like Monet or the Beatles to recognize the truth of both of those statements.

Similarly, we might like Bill Hillgrove but there is no comparison between him (obviously not to the same extreme) and someone who is actually good at the job. Listen to Eli Gold do an Alabama game sometime, and then come back and tell me how "good" Billy is in comparison.

The number one job of a play by play guy is to get the play by play correct. If he can't do that, nothing else matters. "Hey, that accountant is really good at his job, except for the fact that he keeps screwing up the math." "Hey, that doctor is really good at her job, except she can't seem to ever get her diagnoses correct." "Hey, that engineer is really good at his job, except all the bridges he designs keep falling down." "Hey, that play by play guy is really good, except no one can figure out what is actually going on in the game based on his call."
 
No offense, but that statement is ridiculous.

Art is subjective, but we can all agree that Monet was a better painter than the third grader down the street with his finger paints is. Music is subjective, but we can all agree that the Beatles were better than some group of high school kids who can't really play but are just trying to get girls. And we don't even have to like Monet or the Beatles to recognize the truth of both of those statements.

Similarly, we might like Bill Hillgrove but there is no comparison between him (obviously not to the same extreme) and someone who is actually good at the job. Listen to Eli Gold do an Alabama game sometime, and then come back and tell me how "good" Billy is in comparison.

The number one job of a play by play guy is to get the play by play correct. If he can't do that, nothing else matters. "Hey, that accountant is really good at his job, except for the fact that he keeps screwing up the math." "Hey, that doctor is really good at her job, except she can't seem to ever get her diagnoses correct." "Hey, that engineer is really good at his job, except all the bridges he designs keep falling down." "Hey, that play by play guy is really good, except no one can figure out what is actually going on in the game based on his call."

No offense to you Joe, but you are absolutely wrong here (saying my statement is ridiculous).

(And yes, my wise friend, that IS possible. ;) )

I am entertained by the work that Hillgrove does, and it's simple that for me, he is doing a good job. Are you telling me it's wrong for be to have this belief (to be entertained by the work Hillgrove does)?

Along those lines, there are people who actually hate the Beatles, and would rather watch the high school band trying to get girls. They are wrong either (although there are only about 5 of them -- 4 of which are their parents.)

I like listening to Billy Hillgrove. He is entertaining to me. When I listen to a football game, I listen to be entertained. Hence he has done his job well -- for ME.

Of course, you don't like the job he does -- for YOU. I'm not trying to convince you to think otherwise. And by the looks of this thread, there are people who are of many different minds on the issue. Guess what -- they are ALL correct!!
 
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No offense to you Joe, but you are absolutely wrong here (saying my statement is ridiculous).

(And yes, my wise friend, that IS possible. ;) )

I am entertained by the work that Hillgrove does, and it's simple that for me, he is doing a good job. Are you telling me it's wrong for be to have this belief (to be entertained by the work Hillgrove does)?

Along those lines, there are people who actually hate the Beatles, and would rather watch the high school band trying to get girls. They are wrong either (although there are only about 5 of them -- 4 of which are their parents.)

I like listening to Billy Hillgrove. He is entertaining to me. When I listen to a football game, I listen to be entertained. Hence he has done his job well -- for ME.

Of course, you don't like the job he does -- for YOU. I'm not trying to convince you to think otherwise. And by the looks of this thread, there are people who are of many different minds on the issue. Guess what -- they are ALL correct!!
I am loathe to wade into these waters but.....generally speaking I look to be entertained by the color guy, not the play by play. Take for instance Dick Vitale, NOT that he entertains me in any way, but I know Dan Schulman keeps me clear on the action. Play by play for the most part isn't to entertain. JMO.

Having said that, Bill is a Pitt institution and will leave on his own terms for better or worse.
 
They are only all correct if you feel that there are no objective standards for judging play by play announcers. I can understand why people who are fans of a guy who abjectly fails in the most important quality for a play by play announcer would want to say that there really aren't any standards, but of course there are.

It is possible for someone to love Bill Hillgrove and still recognize that he is bad at his job. Heck, I like Bill Hillgrove. That doesn't change the fact that at his job as a play by play man he is currently borderline incompetent.
 
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Exactly pitt-girl. The play by play guy has a job to perform, and "entertain" is not the number one item on the list. Doing clear play by play that people listening to the game can follow and understand what is going on in the game is the number one thing on the list. Billy could be great at "entertaining", but that isn't his first duty and first priority.
 
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They are only all correct if you feel that there are no objective standards for judging play by play announcers. I can understand why people who are fans of a guy who abjectly fails in the most important quality for a play by play announcer would want to say that there really aren't any standards, but of course there are.

It is possible for someone to love Bill Hillgrove and still recognize that he is bad at his job. Heck, I like Bill Hillgrove. That doesn't change the fact that at his job as a play by play man he is currently borderline incompetent.

"Bad at his job" by what criteria? It sounds like your answer is "your criteria."
 
Exactly pitt-girl. The play by play guy has a job to perform, and "entertain" is not the number one item on the list. Doing clear play by play that people listening to the game can follow and understand what is going on in the game is the number one thing on the list. Billy could be great at "entertaining", but that isn't his first duty and first priority.

It's not the first duty or first priority on your list. But that's your list. Other people have different lists.
 
"Bad at his job" by what criteria? It sounds like your answer is "your criteria."
I happen to agree with both of you, if that's possible. Love Billy, but the job IS "play-by-play" and we all have to agree he doesn't always provide that in real time. He is what he is.
 
"Bad at his job" by what criteria? It sounds like your answer is "your criteria."

If you ask 100 people in charge of hiring a radio play by play guy what the play by play guy's number one job duty is, you are going to get 100 variations of "the job is to provide clear and concise play by play so that the listener at home can 'see' the game as it happens". The fact that you don't think that there is a general criteria by which all bosses evaluate all play by play guys doesn't mean that there isn't one, it means that you'd like to ignore the fact that there is one.
 
I happen to agree with both of you, if that's possible. Love Billy, but the job IS "play-by-play" and we all have to agree he doesn't always provide that in real time. He is what he is.

I'm just gonna battle Joe to the death here, because he likes that kind of thing. (And this is why he has no friends).

If there was a play-by-play Olympics, where officials timed how quickly a play was called, or how many names were said correctly, etc., Bill would lose.

No one is doubting that.

But "his job" is to describe the game to listeners. There is no scoring or Olympics. Play by play people get this job and keep this job based on how listeners like how they do it. Some play by play people nail each play impeccably. Obviously that's most important to Joe (and many -- or most -- people, really).

For me, it's more about how the play by play makes me feel when listening to a game. I like how he does this.

It is subjective. That's all I'm saying.
 
I'm just gonna battle Joe to the death here, because he likes that kind of thing. (And this is why he has no friends).

If there was a play-by-play Olympics, where officials timed how quickly a play was called, or how many names were said correctly, etc., Bill would lose.

No one is doubting that.

But "his job" is to describe the game to listeners. There is no scoring or Olympics. Play by play people get this job and keep this job based on how listeners like how they do it. Some play by play people nail each play impeccably. Obviously that's most important to Joe (and many -- or most -- people, really).

For me, it's more about how the play by play makes me feel when listening to a game. I like how he does this.

It is subjective. That's all I'm saying.
I agree, subjective to some who have developed a fondness for the broadcaster. But probably more objective to those who don't share that connection. Like I said, both of you have valid points!
 
I love Billy but at some point he will retire I"m not a fan of Rob King the person I would hire is Lanny Frattare. I have had the opportunity to listen to Lanny doing football he's outstanding

Was just thinking about Lanny Frattare. Never heard him do football. What's he up to these days?
 
No offense, but that statement is ridiculous.

Art is subjective, but we can all agree that Monet was a better painter than the third grader down the street with his finger paints is. Music is subjective, but we can all agree that the Beatles were better than some group of high school kids who can't really play but are just trying to get girls. And we don't even have to like Monet or the Beatles to recognize the truth of both of those statements.

Similarly, we might like Bill Hillgrove but there is no comparison between him (obviously not to the same extreme) and someone who is actually good at the job. Listen to Eli Gold do an Alabama game sometime, and then come back and tell me how "good" Billy is in comparison.

The number one job of a play by play guy is to get the play by play correct. If he can't do that, nothing else matters. "Hey, that accountant is really good at his job, except for the fact that he keeps screwing up the math." "Hey, that doctor is really good at her job, except she can't seem to ever get her diagnoses correct." "Hey, that engineer is really good at his job, except all the bridges he designs keep falling down." "Hey, that play by play guy is really good, except no one can figure out what is actually going on in the game based on his call."

lol you're not getting it. He doesn't screw up enough for us to have trouble following the game. Apparently you're one of those psychotic raging fans that's so on edge during games that the 3 or 4 momentary goofs he makes are enough to set you off b/c...well...pretty much anything can set you people off during these games since they're life and death to you.

The call is corrected 2 seconds later...max. That just doesn't bother me but then again I'm actually a reasonable human.
 
lol you're not getting it. He doesn't screw up enough for us to have trouble following the game. Apparently you're one of those psychotic raging fans that's so on edge during games that the 3 or 4 momentary goofs he makes are enough to set you off b/c...well...pretty much anything can set you people off during these games since they're life and death to you.

The call is corrected 2 seconds later...max. That just doesn't bother me but then again I'm actually a reasonable human.

Naa ... Joe isn't a psychotic raging fan. He's an engineer.
 
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Naa ... Joe isn't a psychotic raging fan. He's an engineer.

I've been called a lot of things before (some of them even justified! ) but never a psychotic raging fan.

I do think that I see part of the problem (as it were) better now though. There is actually someone out there delusional enough to think that Billy only makes three or four momentary goofs per game. You just can't argue with "logic" like that.
 
I'll say again , when traveling I will elect to listen to the other teams broadcast . Especially in basketball.

I'm not the nostalgic type... I'm tuning in hear what's happening in the game. As Joe said , if you listen to other broadcast you start to realize how bad a job bill does.
A broadcaster can be entertaining and accurate in play by play.
 
"The call is corrected 2 seconds later...max. That just doesn't bother me but then again I'm actually a reasonable human."

Exactly. It doesn't matter to me if it takes a couple seconds to get the right call. It's not like his mistakes are never corrected.
 
It's amusing that the self-important folks who spend tons of time on Pitt sports boards, only to preach that fans who want to win are distasteful, that rolling out the ball and going 3-9 should be entertainment enough ... have the audacity to scoff at others who enjoy the broadcasting aspect of the game, even if it fails to meet the equivalent standard of the 12-0 fans yearn to see out of the team.

You guys (and gals) preach we should be entertained by the team, coaches and administration even if they stink ... if we fumble 5 times in a row against Georgia Tech, hey, it's just a game, enjoy the lovely day out. So why so upset that some fans enjoy the comedy of a 'stumbling, bumbling, tumbling, fumbling' broadcast?

By your logic, Pitt/IMG/Fan/whoever should go out and spend top dollar for the best, most perfect play by play announcer in the business, because it offends your senses that the announcer might occasionally get the name of the ball carrier mixed up momentarily. Yet scoff at the idea that Pitt should do the same with coaches and recruiting.

Here's the deal then. If you agree Pitt should commit more (much, much more) to winning, we'll consent to dropping Billy for a robo-announcer.
 
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What is more crazy? A 3 page thread on a play by play announcer or a 2 page thread on the basketball board about some chick shooting a pellet gun?? What makes it crazier is we are seeing some venom from both sides on a subject that, to be honest, is pretty ridiculous. And of course I read both so what does that say about me?
 
What is more crazy? A 3 page thread on a play by play announcer or a 2 page thread on the basketball board about some chick shooting a pellet gun?? What makes it crazier is we are seeing some venom from both sides on a subject that, to be honest, is pretty ridiculous. And of course I read both so what does that say about me?
It frankly says more about our program, that even with a somewhat big game only 3 days away, we still argue more passionately about things like logos, colors, fantasy campus stadiums, and announcers. Because of what the region that handles logic in our brain knows about our chances, now that our offense looks to be on the rocks.
 
It frankly says more about our program, that even with a somewhat big game only 3 days away, we still argue more passionately about things like logos, colors, fantasy campus stadiums, and announcers. Because of what the region that handles logic in our brain knows about our chances, now that our offense looks to be on the rocks.
LOL, good point. We get so much more heated debates over ridiculous stuff than actual football. A couple decent back and forths with Nate vs. Chad but not much. Nothing like a good old script vs block debate entails or the logistical possibility of a stadium in Panther hollow. Nothing brings out anger and passion in us than talking about possible exit ramps off of the parkway east...
 
LOL, good point. We get so much more heated debates over ridiculous stuff than actual football. A couple decent back and forths with Nate vs. Chad but not much. Nothing like a good old script vs block debate entails or the logistical possibility of a stadium in Panther hollow. Nothing brings out anger and passion in us than talking about possible exit ramps off of the parkway east...
well, I mean, there have been a couple good threads on the QBs the past few days, a classic topic for debate. Or whether Caprara or Bam Bradley is starting. But when it comes down to it, the sobering reality is that we're kind of arguing over the quality of a McDonald's hamburger or a Checker's hamburger. It's not exactly the kind of debate they have going on over on the Ohio State board. "Which Heisman candidate should be our QB?" "Did our 5 star backup LB play better or worse than the 5 star starting LB he replaced last week?"
 
I'll say again , when traveling I will elect to listen to the other teams broadcast . Especially in basketball.

I'm not the nostalgic type... I'm tuning in hear what's happening in the game. As Joe said , if you listen to other broadcast you start to realize how bad a job bill does.
A broadcaster can be entertaining and accurate in play by play.
I said that earlier as well. When listening on the radio, I try to get the other teams broadcasts. It's not that Billy is wrong a few times per game and he corrects it two seconds later. He's wrong more than he is right, and because of that, he doesn't paint a good picture of what is happening for the listener. When a bad play happens, and your first thought is that it's ok because Billy probably didn't see it right and the color guy will soon inform the listener of the actual events, that says it all.

I am very nostalgic, but I listen mainly because I want to be entertained, not to feel like I am going to jump out of my skin. And I do not live and die with any sports teams. I see them as entertainment more than anything else. I can't imagine how the die hards feel
 
I said that earlier as well. When listening on the radio, I try to get the other teams broadcasts. It's not that Billy is wrong a few times per game and he corrects it two seconds later. He's wrong more than he is right, and because of that, he doesn't paint a good picture of what is happening for the listener. When a bad play happens, and your first thought is that it's ok because Billy probably didn't see it right and the color guy will soon inform the listener of the actual events, that says it all.

I am very nostalgic, but I listen mainly because I want to be entertained, not to feel like I am going to jump out of my skin. And I do not live and die with any sports teams. I see them as entertainment more than anything else. I can't imagine how the die hards feel
It's actually the opposite. He's such a homer, and Pitt is usually screwing up, that he'll usually first call a BAD play as a GOOD play. So at least for those fleeting moments, I can have the spark of joy that what was actually a crappy interception might actually have been a great completion! So in that way, he's the PERFECT play by play guy for our type of teams, especially when we're playing hopeless games ... and unfortunately those are the majority.
 
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