Chryst and Hornibrook
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For everyone who thought Chryst could not recruit, he has road graders up front, good running backs and a QB who hit 18 passes in a row at BYU. Oh and his D looks pretty darn good too.
He's a good coach .
Seriously.
Difference is pitt was a dumpster fire when he started...and wisky isn't.
Nice to see a team with an identify .
Chryst built that here, too, offensively.
There were a lot of posters on here that said Chryst wasn't a good HC. Now we have imbeciles on here that are questioning Narduzzi and acting like Pitt could do better. The biggest blunder of all was nudging Dixon out and lowering the buyout to peanuts. At some point you'd think these people would learn.
Chryst was building something at Pitt, proven by the talent he left behind for Narduzzi. The only top talent Duzz has brought in is either suspended(whitehead), hurt (Hamlin), academically ineligible (Paris Ford), or had to retire from football for medical reasons (George hill)
That is my point. It takes time to build a program, and Pitt desperately needs stability. The current Sr class is bad. We lost momentum in the transition between PC and PN.
He built a team with an identity defensively here too. Unfortunately, we still have that identity 3 years after his departure.
I think that is such and under realized thing, chryst inherited one of the biggest messes ever at pitt. In only one year, Todd Graham almost completely destroyed pitt football. An entire recruiting class that was almost useless going forward.
Yeah I don't know. I see that comment about Narduzzi not bringing in talent, then I see another comment about Narduzzi's 16 wins (with some of these being pretty memorable) the past 2 seasons being because of the talent Chryst brought in...
I'm just exhausted thinking about all this. It's hard to be patient as a Pitt fan - at least I only really got into it in the early/mid 00's, so no witness of the disgraceful 90's. But it's still been plenty brutal enough.
AT wisconsin alvarez has hired the DC to take care of that side of the ball. At Pitt they either didn't give him enough money or let him hire whomever he wanted. PC can coach offense and he brought in a lot of good OL, TE and RB's at Pitt too. He failed at QB here, had he stayed it looks like hornibrook would have been good. The D was a mess with house and they didn't recruit well at all either.
Wanny burned the house down.
Graham pissed on the ashes
People should not forget Wisc/PSU last season either.
People continue to call me ridiculous on here, but the simple fact comes down to the need to have a game day environment that makes recruits think "WOW this is big time"......not "damn that's a lot of empty seats. These recruits have "plans" of becoming something big until they get to summer training and realize "oh this going to take a few years" or "these guys are grown ass men"....problem is you need to get them on campus while they don't have a clue how college football works...yellow seats kill that for 4 and 5 star players who take 5 visits to other school with 70k screaming fans....
IE Chryst recruiting here and at Wisky....
IE Chryst recruiting here and at Wisky....
and the last good recruiter we had here was Wanny. Again I know there were issues with his coaching competence, but Pitt definitely did better with fan support and recruiting when he was here and havent recovered with either since he was dismissed
College football is all about recruiting and we suck at it. It's just that simple.
A 4 or 5 star recruit takes 5 visits. On 4 of the visits he is greeted by loyal fans showering him with gifts and a Gameday experience of excitement and a packed stadium. Then he goes here.
We can shower him with gifts. ...Okay, his other 4 visits win the Gameday experience and packed stadium contest. That's 4 hours 6 or 7 Saturdays of the year. Can we not show him something a helluva lot better for how he can spend the rest of his college days? I say we can.
I repeatedly defended PCs offense. Simple, but he has it down, Pat.
He did recruit OL well his first two classes, but we are seeing now across the board, his energyless recruiting. He tried A BIT, recruiting QB, not enough, but had a few bad breaks and basically threw in the towel. Took a lot of dead weight at wr, dl, db, void at lb, not enough talent at RB.
He is one if the best offensive coaches in the game, but he clocked it here, bid his time to return home.
BYU is 1-3, probably isn't in the top 100 college football teams and they are Wisconsin's best OOC opponent. Spare the praise for a team that actually does something meaningful.
Narduzzi already has been more successful at Pitt than Chryst.
Narduzzi already has been more successful at Pitt than Chryst.
It's year 3.
The energy less recruiting manifesting is narduzz's players now taking over.
That's was the point, dip$hit.
The vacuum that exists on the roster is the upper classes.
There are so few viable redshirt seniors, seniors and redshirt juniors that we are seeing too many of Narduzzi's sophomores and redshirt freshman playing more time than they are ready to play.
Basic math - the current third year coach only has two of HIS classes on the roster (his third is a mix of his and the former coach's, after a 6 week run to close the class out)- sophomores, redshirt freshman and freshman.
Mr Cheese has a team which looks like it could contend.
Barry A played the Yummies at Pitt like a bass fiddle.
Barry with every ounce of effort tried to get that Pitt job...before Posvar staggered into the locker room and handed it to Buddy Hackett.
Perhaps to Barry , revenge is a dish best served cold.
Barry A played the Yummies at Pitt like a bass fiddle.
Barry with every ounce of effort tried to get that Pitt job...before Posvar staggered into the locker room and handed it to Buddy Hackett.
Perhaps to Barry , revenge is a dish best served cold.
Didn't he recruit Tyler Boyd, James Conner? Hornibrook would have been here had he stayed.
Its a 100 question test.
He killed a handful of questions while sleep walking through 50% of them.
Hornibrook - Could you possibly do more to make my point? And, just to avoid the feigned or actual oblivousness, HE TOOK HIM WITH HIM, LEAVING JACK SNOT FOR QBs ON THE ROSTER!
Good lord, Wanny is the bad guy around here , and Sleeepy, who took over a solid program at Whisky is a savior. Lord help the fools
Look at this current lackluster recruiting class Duzz is putting together. Might be the worst one we've had since Fraud Graham
Basic reality-
We've never had an upper class of two deep of 4-5th year players .
Even blue bloods has under classmen playing - because they are splash players .
We don't have them
Your contention is that the sophomores and freshmen when narduzzi started weren't good enough now.
Although the sophomores and freshmen that narduzzi brought in aren't good enough.
Frankly, the most talented players so far in the narduzzi era were Chryst players so far.
Duck, the blind defenders are awake. I will say it's not all his fault, he has a budget that might make some conference USA schools laugh. He doesn't sell very well, but Pitt doesn't help him either
A myth...
Let’s take a look at the recruiting under Narduzzi:
Wannstedt’s 2010 Roster:
Players with 5 or more P5 offers on the roster: 28
Players with 5 or more P5 offers recruited by DW: 28
Players with ZERO P5 offers: 23
Players with ZERO P5 offers recruited by DW: 23
Narduzzi’s 2017 Roster:
Players with 5 or more P5 offers on the roster: 36
Players with 5 or more P5 offers recruited by Narduzzi: 27 (Chryst gets credit for the other 9)
Players with ZERO P5 offers: 19
Players with ZERO P5 offers recruited by Narduzzi: 9 (Chryst gets credit for the other 10)
I won’t bother to post Chryst’s last class, it was a mess and part of the reason we are where we are today.
After two and a half recruiting classes,the quality of recruits has gotten better under Narduzzi, not worse. In the 2018 class, 9 of the 14 commitments also have 5 or more P5 offers. Considering what we will lose and gain on next year’s roster (including Whitehead), we will net 4 more players for a total of 40 players with 5 or more P5 offers.
The questions are; Can they play? Can they stay healthy? Coaching style can be questioned, but not recruiting at this point...
Re watch the duke game from 2014 and get back to me
If I could double like this post i would. Your best post ever
Point stands, the "most talented players so far in the Narduzzi era were Chryst players."
No $hit, cause ...
Narduzzi, like any other mortal human being did not transport into the future to recruit the players on the roster when he took over.
95% of the players on the roster his first season were PC/Wanny/Fraud players.
70% of the players on his roster his second (last season) were PC/Wanny/Fraud players - the 30% he recruited were, Bueller, Bueller, Bueller, freshman except the 8 or so he got to close out the class he inherted when he took the job ...
Roughly 40% of the roster now are PC kids - all of the seniors and most of the juniors, save a few transfers.
AND, the team is struggling because of THOSE classes.
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