Although Corhen is no all-league level talent, he is on our team for the foreseeable future. He is staying not bailing on us. Enough already with making him the primary target of our frustrations with MBB at Pitt.
Corhen Bashing
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Not bailing on us or no one else wants his candy ass at the ridiculous price tag we're likely shelling out?
im one of the few that like him. his biggest fault was being the only person over 6'8" who dared even attempt to play in the paint. our other post player was a 7' skeleton who played 22' from the basket..
if you dont ask him to do everything in paint by himself, actually give him someone else who doesnt play like a shooting guard, he'll be more than ok.
capel replaced the twins with actual players so we''ll know soon enough if im right..
if you dont ask him to do everything in paint by himself, actually give him someone else who doesnt play like a shooting guard, he'll be more than ok.
capel replaced the twins with actual players so we''ll know soon enough if im right..
What leads you to believe this? He didn't play with skeletons at FSU and his game looked strikingly similar.
He not a terrible player, but he is the embodiment of Capel's system (which is not a compliment) and is (supposedly) eating up significant resources that could be going to a much more productive player.
I have to say your comment saying his game at FSU looked strikingly similar to his play at Pitt last year makes no sense to me. Only because all the BB experts on here were overjoyed when we got him in the portal from FSU. The same BB experts that trash him constantly for this past year at Pitt. There’s a big disconnect somewhere in there.
I’m with Zelda, his play last year was nowhere near as bad as the BB experts on here make it out to be. More importantly, he’s well down the list of reasons why last season went in the dumpster.
So, you know so much. Share with us the price tag, Oh, by the way, do you have any eligibility left?
That's my favorite argument of all time...that you can't criticize highly paid professionals that can do things that you can't. Peak simpletons.
Corhen has a relatively high ceiling offensively. Nice touch, nice mid-range jumper). I can see him playing with more aggressiveness and confidence. The problem is defensively and on the glass. He has to improve there. If he does, he, Jackson, and Kante, with Sielupa could be a physical presence that makes a difference.
As a 15 mpg backup at the 5, I wouldn't mind him. But yeah, given the number that was floated around last year I doubt he is playing for cheap. I feel like we could get more bang for that buck. Especially if we're going to attempt to justify that cost by giving him a bunch of playing time at the 4, which would instantly make us one of the worst power conference shooting teams in the nation.
Take a look at his numbers across his career.
People were optimistic he'd add value, and probably were a little too hopeful. He's not public enemy #1, but he has some major deficiencies including his motor and decision making.
He has a nice array of moves around the basket and is an above average offensive player. His biggest problem is that he has bad hands. With better hands, he gets at least 2 more rebounds per game. And of course, rebounding is his biggest weakness, followed by his defense.
There were definitely some fans that blamed Corhen for everything last year and then talked themselves into Fede being the missing piece for a final four run. It was bizarre. Corhen wasn't very good but there was plenty of blame to go around.
Some were literally the same people who highlighted Fede as one of the reasons we didn't make it the year before and said that was the single biggest starting spot we could afford to upgrade. You couldn't make this up.
Here’s the problem with Corhen…. He can’t rebound at all. I could care less about his scoring , I actually think he wasn’t all that bad in that department last year. His inability to box out or play any sort of physical basketball is a major issue. Dude has no awareness of finding bodies on the floor
One of the softest big guys I’ve ever watched at Pitt.
One of the softest big guys I’ve ever watched at Pitt.
He's going to play the 4, where he may be able to be an average to below average rebounder. At the 5, he was probably the worst in the country. If he can just be an average rebounder at the 4 and can get you 12-14 PPG, he may be a net positive
I'd like my center to be able to shoot a higher percentage around the rim, rebound defensively significantly better and practice his free throws. He is below average in all those aspects and deserves the bashing
A lot of pros and cons here on Corhen, and rightfully so. I remember before this past
season all the posts on how he was a great addition. There were some posts last yr
that questioned his rebounding, which has never been a strength for him. He averaged
3.9 and 3.5 rpg at FSU. He did increase his minutes played to 28.3 from 21.5, and
consequently his rpg actually increased to 5.2 here. Ok, so not so bad? Actually
very bad because supposedly he was our BIG. He never was a Big before getting
here so no surprise that he didn't suddenly become one. Any of his stats that
improved were due to more minutes, example....11ppg ast opposed to 9.4.
He has a lot of faults besides rebounding. He's not a physical force inside, and we sure as hell
needed one given the twigs we had in there. His D is bad, and he simply refuses to box out.
His inside effort at and around the hoop is weak. FT shooting was 59.3%, worst of his career.
Obviously he performed way below expectations, but the expectations on here were way off
based on what he did at FSU. Even though I just bashed the hell out of him, I do believe he
could be a factor if we had some inside bodies who could take up space, hit the boards and
add a physical presence (all things he can't/doesn't do). As others alrerady mentioned, put him
at the 4, along with a legitimate big or two, and then I could see him as a positive as opposed
to being a negative. He wasn't the only reason for our crap performance last year, but he was
a part of it. He ain't gonna bring us to the promised land this year, but IMO he can be more
than what we got outta him last year.
season all the posts on how he was a great addition. There were some posts last yr
that questioned his rebounding, which has never been a strength for him. He averaged
3.9 and 3.5 rpg at FSU. He did increase his minutes played to 28.3 from 21.5, and
consequently his rpg actually increased to 5.2 here. Ok, so not so bad? Actually
very bad because supposedly he was our BIG. He never was a Big before getting
here so no surprise that he didn't suddenly become one. Any of his stats that
improved were due to more minutes, example....11ppg ast opposed to 9.4.
He has a lot of faults besides rebounding. He's not a physical force inside, and we sure as hell
needed one given the twigs we had in there. His D is bad, and he simply refuses to box out.
His inside effort at and around the hoop is weak. FT shooting was 59.3%, worst of his career.
Obviously he performed way below expectations, but the expectations on here were way off
based on what he did at FSU. Even though I just bashed the hell out of him, I do believe he
could be a factor if we had some inside bodies who could take up space, hit the boards and
add a physical presence (all things he can't/doesn't do). As others alrerady mentioned, put him
at the 4, along with a legitimate big or two, and then I could see him as a positive as opposed
to being a negative. He wasn't the only reason for our crap performance last year, but he was
a part of it. He ain't gonna bring us to the promised land this year, but IMO he can be more
than what we got outta him last year.
Corhen bashing is well deserved. The kid is oblivious to what is going on around him. I mean, he has no awareness. I don't care if you put him on the court with Joel Embiid as the 5, he is still going to suck. I mentioned this year a few times that I thought he was a lazy player, but, after watching him play a whole year, I believe he is trying his best, he is just too stupid to process the game in his mind at the speed needed to succeed. Can he score a little? Sure. However, that comes with the inability to play physical, the inability to rebound, and worst of all the inability to defend. Other than that, he was a great get for Capel.
Don’t like him at the 4 at all. This game is about shooting and guard play. Him at the 4 means we get no shooting from both your 4 and 5. Just doesn’t work in this day of college basketball.
Well, that's a little different from what you posted earlier in this thread......"he has a nice array of moves
around the basket and is an above average offensive player." As for what works today in college bball,
I agree with you. So much of it is about "shooting and guard play." As I posted above, put him on the
floor with a real time Big, and then I do believe he could be an asset as opposed to the negative last
year when we had no Big at all. He wasn't the answer at either the 4 or 5, and he surely ain't the answer
this year. I'd prefer to see him off the bench as a 4 next to a legitimate Big for 15-20 minutes a game.
Hate to say it, but right now he's a starter, and considering what's coming in here, maybe one of our
better players.
Having a nice array of moves around the basket is good for a 5, but not for a 4 in today’s game.
Not at all. I like him at the 5, not at the 4. Can’t have 2 guys at 4 and 5 who can’t shoot 3 pointers. When I said shoot, I meant 3’s. Corhen is very noce around the basket, but can’t go outside 10 feet.
The last thing I want to see is Corhen at the 5. We've seen what he can do there. My sense is
Capel brought in Jackson to be the 5, and Kante getting backup minutes there. That leaves
Corhen where? Whether we like it or not, it's more than likely to be a 4, obviously he can't be
a wing. I've already posted that he should be coming off the bench as a 4 with maybe some
limited minutes at the 5. My opinion, he simply is not a Big. Anyway, different opinions. Let's
see what Capel does with this.
If you want to see what he can do at the 4, watch his FSU tape or see what happened when he tried to do anything outside the paint last year.
He's not a 4, unless we run some sort of twin towers package to generate a mismatch (we won't).
I'm no basketball expert, but the construction of this team makes very little sense to me on paper. Two bigs hanging out by the rim and a 1-3 that, as a whole, cannot shoot. Feels like we're just assembling a poor man's Florida State team.
When I started this thread, my concern was not so much about whether Corhen is or is not an adequate P4 level MBB player, but the venom being directed at the young man. I don’t dispute the argument that Corhen may not fill the bill for us or any other P4 team. I dispute the fact that venom directed at Corhen personally. Capel and his bosses the last few years are legitimate targets of reasonable levels of criticism. But, I am a bit taken aback by the extreme criticism of individual players who simply may not be true P4 level players in what has no become a mid major program.
He's a professional athlete. No one is threatening him or anything like that. Mainly people just wish he'd appear to care just a little bit about the outcome of the game.
And calling the program a mid major is ridiculous, but right on brand.
Yeah, I get it. I’m just in record saying if this is the way he goes (bigs at 4 and 5), we are going to suck.
And Jackson at 5, is no better than Corhen at 5. Jackson can’t play more than about 20 mpg at this level and while he may be a better anchor and rebounder at five, he is not an offensive threat.
I do agree with this. At the start of last year when things were going well, I blamed Corhen for some of our issues. At that point, we were playing well and didn’t have many weaknesses. As the season went on, Corhen played better and the rest of the team not nearly as much. At that point, we had many bigger issues than Corhen.
Totally agree. An even worse problem....so far very little talent arriving through the portal. I
wouldn't mind either Jackson at the 5 and Corhen at the 4, IF they were coming off the bench.
All this talk in this thread about Corhen, yet he might be our best player at this point in time.
Now that's a scary thought! Of course I do like Cummings, but I feel he needs a lttle more
time to develop.
I like the guy coming in from South Alabama. If we can get Suilepa and Beehah gets stronger, we could have 3 nice scoring options.
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