What's the skinny on Coulibaly ? He is listed as a Center . Does he have any chance in starting over Brown ? I sure hope so.
Coulibaly and Brown
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I think we need to come back to reality a little on Brown. There is probably only around 7 or 8 centers in high school right now who could actually start over him.
If Coulibaly cannot start over Brown from Day 1, then it's a waste of a scholarship. Brown absolutely cannot rebound, has bad hands, and cannot jump high enough to finish down low. I cannot see Brown starting next season. It is a total failure on Capel's part if he does
Based on what limited info I have seen, I am incline to not view Coulibaly as an ACC-level center. Unless he has grown, he may only be 6-8. Those recruiting sites that do list him at 6-9 are probably being generous. Also, I believe he is a face the hoop player rather than a back to the basket post player. However, we will know once we see him play next season.
Another in a long long line of ridiculous statements from SMF.
I agree. Brown was a below average ACC center this year, and has a chance to be average if he works on establishing his consistency as an upperclassman. In an ideal world, he’d be a solid rotation guy getting 12-15 minutes per game in a defensive role where he can utilize his excellent length and shot blocking ability. But he’s nowhere near as bad as some make it seem.
Take it easy
He looks more like a 4 to me. Personally, I would like to see Pitt playing 2 PFs verses Brown at the 5.
He’s probably a developmental big, so it might take a year or two for him to earn a bigger role in this team. But who knows, maybe he’ll be good this season. I think some people have an unrealistic idea of how many high school bigs can come in and compete for playing time in the ACC. Especially at the level that Pitt is able to recruit
We already have 1 developmental big on the roster, Terrell Brown. He has not shown any signs of being a capable ACC starting center despite being given loads of playing time. While Coulibaly may not be ready, all he has to do is rebound and finish better than Brown and that's not asking a lot as well. If he cant start over Brown next year, that's a really bad sign.
To say that Brown “hasn’t shown any signs” of being an ACC starting center just isn’t true. We saw real flashes from Brown this year and he was vastly improved from his freshman year - particularly early in the ACC schedule - but he ran back into the slumps as the schedule dragged on. But for those first few games of conference play this year, Brown’s play was genuinely strong and a real positive.
I think what we will mostly likely see as we add bigs is a lot of rotation and substitutions, based off of game situation and flow and not having 1 guy eat up tons of minutes over another.
I think another issue with brown is that he was forced to play too many minutes — especially with chuka injured. Stallings the year before had said that he didn’t play brown much because of his conditioning. So it’s entirely possible that he’ll be at least an acceptable rotational player next year, regardless of who they add or don’t add. I doubt he’ll ever be the type of player that plays (or should play) >20 min per game
Yeah that’s not ideal, but our recruiting hasn’t been a complete disaster the past few years (prior to Capel), then maybe
So whoever “starts” at that position might not get any more minutes than the backup(s) anyway
I agree, "he's probably a developmental big." What I hope happens is Capel
signs Sy or a grad transfer who can start. Brown can then be a substitute, and
Coulabily can be broght along slowly. Brown had the misfortune of playing on a
team with no inside presence, and therefore had to start and play meaningful
minutes. Brown can still be valable to this team, but if he's starting we're in
trouble.
I hope you’re right, but this thread is about coulibaly, and I just don’t think he beats brown for a starting spot this season. At least not to start the season. If Sy and/or diallo commit, then maybe one of them could do it — they seem more ACC ready to me than coulibaly
Brown averaged 19 minutes a game.
They have to find a way, at a bare minimum to get a more viable big to pair with Brown then Kene - good heart and can move, but that is is about it for him. Sy would be a BIG help, either be better than Brown, and if not be better than Kene and make the team better, and provide more competition and someone move viable to practice against to try to milk more out of Brown.
That said, Coulibaly has grown on me. I think in fact is a post player, seems to have that old mans game to him. Someone payside has noted his rebounding rate is VERY good. At this point he is the center in this class
But, hard to see how he is someone who will make a real impact next year, maybe get some minutes, but as much as I am holding out hope he might be someone who helps over time, I am not counting on him doing much this fall/winter.
They have to find a way, at a bare minimum to get a more viable big to pair with Brown then Kene - good heart and can move, but that is is about it for him. Sy would be a BIG help, either be better than Brown, and if not be better than Kene and make the team better, and provide more competition and someone move viable to practice against to try to milk more out of Brown.
That said, Coulibaly has grown on me. I think in fact is a post player, seems to have that old mans game to him. Someone payside has noted his rebounding rate is VERY good. At this point he is the center in this class
But, hard to see how he is someone who will make a real impact next year, maybe get some minutes, but as much as I am holding out hope he might be someone who helps over time, I am not counting on him doing much this fall/winter.
Good call, that’s another thing that doesn’t get talked about — brown and kene didn’t have any other bigs to practice against except each other. Having a decent rebounding big in the mix could be a huge development for brown
If Brown doesn't transfer he'll be starting next year. Another in a long line of SMF predictions proven false.
if brown is our starting center next year, getting the bulk of the minutes, that's not a good thing.. it could happen for sure but if it does, we will be bringing up the rear in the ACC for year 3 in a row.
Sure. Maybe. But unless Capel manages to secure a big time transfer, I don't see a replacement for Brown coming out of the HS ranks.
OK. Let's remember this one. I cannot fathom Capel having Brown as the starter next season. It would be a total failure on his part. If the options are Brown, Coulibaly or Chukwuka, Coulibaly will be the starter by the 2nd semester and probably from Day 1. Chances are that he can rebound better and if he can, he starts. If he rebounds worse than Brown then it's a total waste of a scholarship. We dont need him to average 14 PPG. Just rebound.
He’s not a waste of a scholarship — he’s a developmental big, which is what most bigs are fresh out of HS. Sorry we aren’t getting Zion or another one of the very small pool of HS bigs that could start at an acc program immediately out of school. Ideally, we would’ve/should’ve had better upperclassman options than brown at the 4-5 for this season, but bad recruiting classes from stallings and JD kinda screwed Capel. To blame Capel for our current frontcourt situation is ridiculous
Nope. At 6'8 or 6'9, you better not be a "developmental big." You dont have to be great right away, but you better be able to be able to make positive contributions right away. If you cant get off the bench as a FR for a bad ACC team and you are only 6'8, you will most likely never play like Samson George.
I am basing this off of the fact that Brown cannot rebound at all. I have to believe Coulibaly is a better rebounder and has more of a motor. If he does, he starts.
You were saying that he should “start” over brown. I think literally everyone expects coulibaly to contribute in some way. Your theory about a player’s height in relation to he’s readiness to play is just plain ridiculous and untrue
Could play with 3 forwards...if Brown can’t be a reliable rebounder and defender he’s a liability, The occasional blocked shot or two doesn’t alter the fact that he’s poor defensively.
To me it's very simple. Brown is not a viable ACC Big. SMF has pointed out
Brown's difficiencies, and on that he's correct IMO. However, that doesn't mean
that Coulibaly automatically starts over Brown if Capel doesn't bring in another
BIG as either a grad transfer or a JUCO. We need Sy or someone similar
with experience. If that occurs, and I'm hoping it will, both Brown and Coulibaly
will become substitutes. Brown can be a viable off the bench asset and
Coulibaly can be brought along at a reasonable pace. If he's ready, play
him. If not, he can get minutes as a sub and be developmental as many
on here have suggested. We don't just need Bigs, we need experienced
Bigs, that's why I want a grad transfer and/or a JUCO (Sy).
Brown's difficiencies, and on that he's correct IMO. However, that doesn't mean
that Coulibaly automatically starts over Brown if Capel doesn't bring in another
BIG as either a grad transfer or a JUCO. We need Sy or someone similar
with experience. If that occurs, and I'm hoping it will, both Brown and Coulibaly
will become substitutes. Brown can be a viable off the bench asset and
Coulibaly can be brought along at a reasonable pace. If he's ready, play
him. If not, he can get minutes as a sub and be developmental as many
on here have suggested. We don't just need Bigs, we need experienced
Bigs, that's why I want a grad transfer and/or a JUCO (Sy).
SMF genuinely believes and has said repeatedly that a grad transfer from Slippery Rock would be better than our current post players. It’s never based on anything but intuition.
No, I am basing it off of the fact that Capel would not give a scholarship to a worse rebounder than Brown.
No, it's common sense. The Till kid from Slippery Rock had a D1 offer from Rutgers (ok, not saying much there), played D1 football, and was 1st Team D2 All-American, averaged 21 and 11 and lead D2 in Rebounding. He is also very athletic as can be seen by "dunk contest dunks" he has done in warmups. There is no way Brown or Kene would put up those numbers in D2.
Let's not even mention the stats when they went head to head in Nov 2017
Till 12 points 9 rebounds in 19 minutes
Brown 0 points 1 rebound in 9 minutes
I'm more bullish on Brown than many in this thread--I think he can give us 15 to 20 good minutes a game this season if he improves. But aside from that, we don't need a center. You can play 2-3 guards and 2-3 forwards in today's game. The idea that Brown or Coulibaly (or Sy or whomever) HAS TO be our center this year just isn't right.
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