#6 overall pick. Hmmmm.......Shall we reflect on what some posters said about him and his draft prospectus after our game against Duke.
Daniel Jones
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I’m one guilty of downing Jones, and I still think I’m right. Guy imo is a borderline late 1st rounder only because the QB position is at such a premium.
I see him as a journeyman type guy, it shows how bad the Giants organization is that they take a RB #2 overall last year in a QB rich draft, then follow it up with Jones at #3 this year when they almost certainly could’ve had him much later.
They have no clue what they’re doing.
Yeah I think he sucks cause he never beat Pitt right ?
and he went to Duke.
and he went to Duke.
Why wouldn't the Giant have traded down, received a pick and gotten Jones?
Agreed - He was definitely going in the 1st Round, but not that high. The Bizarro Giants Strike.
Not me. He was the best QB prospect I saw last year in all of CFB, Murray included. Love his game.
Why?
That he’s plenty flawed and was picked way too early doesn’t change.
Pre-Draft Analysis
Jones is a well-built quarterback with average arm strength and good pocket presence. He gets the ball out on time and is precise in the short game. He has a great feel for timing of back-shoulder throws. He has to really strain to drive the ball vertically, and it affects his mechanics/accuracy. He has a longer delivery and pats the ball before delivering.
Post-Draft Analysis
It's not the quarterback we would have taken (he was the No. 6 QB and 59th-ranked player overall), but the Giants needed to get the heir apparent to Eli Manning and you can't criticize them for pulling the trigger on Jones here if they feel he's that player. Playing behind Manning should give Jones valuable time to learn the scheme and see the way Manning prepares before he has to take the reins. -- Steve Muench
a super obvious extreme reach of a pick doesn't make him a good QB. Nate Peterman was an objectively better Collegiate QB, and look how he did in the NFL?
The could have easily gotten him later in the first, if not even later. Considering their massive needs, like along the offensive line to give Barkley some running lanes, its downright criminal to take Jones that high.
The could have easily gotten him later in the first, if not even later. Considering their massive needs, like along the offensive line to give Barkley some running lanes, its downright criminal to take Jones that high.
Teams overreach on QB's all the time. That's not on Jones but it doesn't make much sense when they have a Super Bowl QB they never surround with enough talent. They probably could have waited until the second round and got Grier and been just as well off. I'm not convinced Jones can't be the guy but when you make that move you better be sure.
Correct!
Jones becomes a good or great pick when he has a JuJu or Conner rookie year, MVP, a later Pro Bowl selection.
Otherwise its a paper profit not a realized gain!
They could have traded that pick, received another first round selection this or next year, and another number two, and still have gotten Jones.
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Guys sitting at home on their couch drinking a beer, knew that they could have safely traded down 5 or 6 spots and he would have been available. The only reason not to trade down, is because you are so positive he is a can’t miss.
I guess the Giants know they are smarter than everyone else????
The Giants GM defending this pick in 2 hilarious ways. First, comparing him to Aaron Rodgers and waiting 3 years before he sees the field, which is batshit insane to use a #6 overall pick on a guy you have no intentions of playing for 3 freaking years.
The other is they thought going into the draft Washington was going to trade up to #3 or 4 and take him. One would assume that when they saw that they weren't doing that, they would have traded down. Don't know how the Giants got played so freaking bad like that.
using a #6 overal pick on a guy who you don't even think is going to play for another 3 years is bad enough. Then consider he is likely a backup quality guy at best.
It honestly might go down as the worst pick ever. At least with alot of the #1 overall QB busts you could atleast say there was some sort of logical thinking to why they got drafted so high. Not with Jones.
Im not sure who's crazier, the poster who claims this was a great pick or the multiple posters who claim it was a bad one.. dude just got drafted 15 hours ago, should we maybe wait til he at least gets in the city of new York before making definitive statements on him?
I don't know if he will be a good player or not, but the point is that the Giants picked him too early. They could have traded down and gotten him, unless they have a good idea some other team was going to take him instead.
The Giants are a 3-4 team that just lost their best pass rushing OLB. Hard to justify taking Jones there with Josh Allen still on the board. Seems like they could have taken Allen and maneuvered to still get Jones.
The issue is, drafting someone so much earlier than everyone else has him ranked. Draft picks are valuable. They could have gotten an extra #2 pick for moving down 5 or 6 spots, and he would have almost surely still been available.
As I said earlier to take him at 6 you have to be SURE he’s a can’t miss. So unless he ends up being a good to great NFL starting QB, they blew it.
As I said earlier to take him at 6 you have to be SURE he’s a can’t miss. So unless he ends up being a good to great NFL starting QB, they blew it.
These align with my thoughts. I won't denigrate the guy, he looks like a good one. But to pick so high, with thoughts that he might not play during the entirety of his rookie contract, seems mighty frivolous. Geez and here I was bemoaning the Steeler pick of Rudolph after the BR extension (for much the same reason), and it wasn't even a first, top 10 pick.
a big reason you see teams like the Rams, Bears, and to a smaller degree the Browns get better so quickly, is building around a young QB who is still on their Rookie deal. Yes, their coaches certainly had a huge impact, but having a Rookie-Deal QB is one of the greatest assets a GM/Coach/Team can have.
You don't have to pay them a record amount. Gives you flexibility to actually get him a supporting cast.
Its just incomprehensible. Instead of using that #6 pick to help your current team, which has a young, budding superstar RB and a veteran HoF QB, you essentially put that #6 pick in a time capsule to open down the road.
I don't know who the hell thought that was a good idea, but I would like to see how the fans react to "Instead of helping the team win now, we are going to punt the entire next 3 seasons"
Let me set the stage. There were posters on here downplaying Jones after we played Duke. Some people on here said he would be a mid to late round draft pick. That was the crux of the original post.
The bottom line is the guy has the measurables that NFL teams like and he played under a coach who is a highly regarded offensive mind. History shows QB’s like that go early. IMO - the Giants should have traded back and then taken him. I am also not sold on him being an elite NFL QB.
The bottom line is the guy has the measurables that NFL teams like and he played under a coach who is a highly regarded offensive mind. History shows QB’s like that go early. IMO - the Giants should have traded back and then taken him. I am also not sold on him being an elite NFL QB.
Jones is an the kind of guy who will make a great NFL QB.
He's big, mobile for a big guy, has a great arm, disciplined and you can't minimize the "Duke effect" he's smart which is a valuable skill for an NFL QB.
He's big, mobile for a big guy, has a great arm, disciplined and you can't minimize the "Duke effect" he's smart which is a valuable skill for an NFL QB.
LOL - Who is this clown they hired anyways? I’m not impressed by their HC either. They need to clean house and start over.
Anything to take a shot at the Pitt defense. He took a pounding during that game, and he kept getting up and performing.
His arm is average at best
And his accuracy midrange and downfield is bad.
Cutcliffe is a great qb coach .
Which likely means he’s near his ceiling .
Otherwise ya nailed it
Jones had a pretty good game against PITT in Heinz Field last October. Now that doesn't make him the 6th pick in the draft or even a 1st rounder but he was the best player on the field and nearly took down the panthers that day.
He does NOT have a great arm. That is one of the weaknesses everyone has said about him; he doesn't throw the deep ball with any zip because he doesn't have a very good arm.
Giants may have been able to trade their #30 pick for Rosen, and then used #6 for an actual top 10 draft pick.
The saddest thing to me is that the average life of an NFL running back is only 4 years. Will Barclay even get to see this kid QB? I personally believe Barclay is the best back I have ever seen and I said it several years ago and got beat up pretty badly. I wish the Giants would have traded down slightly and got this kid, but got more OL help as well as another top LB. I know the Giant's GM knows a hundred times better than me, but I do think the kid would have been available a little later in the first round at least. He doesn't as of yet have the greatest arm strength and long ball, but they must feel he's got enough potential to be a franchise type QB...we'll see I guess.
You should probably learn how to spell his name if you like him that much.
I've always thought that Daniel Jones was a good QB. I knew he'd play in the NFL. Never in a million years did I see anything that suggested he was 6th overall material, though.
This QB class being complete and utter garbage is a bigger factor in his draft position than anything. I think he'll be a success in an absolute sense, but relatively speaking, he'll never justify that draft position.
This QB class being complete and utter garbage is a bigger factor in his draft position than anything. I think he'll be a success in an absolute sense, but relatively speaking, he'll never justify that draft position.
What is it with the Giants being fixated with Duke QBs? They kept sending out Dave Brown as their starter when it was clear he was overmatched.
I was surprised Haskins dropped to 15, I thought the Giants would take him. The craziest stat I heard last night was that Haskins was the first B10 QB taken in the first round since Kerry Collins in 1995.
I was surprised Haskins dropped to 15, I thought the Giants would take him. The craziest stat I heard last night was that Haskins was the first B10 QB taken in the first round since Kerry Collins in 1995.
