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Dixon gonna Dixon

Somethings never change, one and done Dixon. That was vintage
In 12 NCAA appearances, it was only his 4th "one and done".

He's underachieved... But he is 8-4 in the first round

2004: Beat #14 UCF as a #3
2005: Lost to #8 Pacific as a #9
2006: Beat #12 Kent State as a #5
2007: Beat #14 Wright State as a #3
2008: Beat #13 Oral Roberts as a #4
2009: Beat #16 E. Tenn State as a #1
2010: Beat #14 Oakland as a #3
2011: Beat #16 UNC-Asheville as a #1
2013: Lost to #9 Wichita State as at #8
2014: Beat #8 Colorado as a #9
2016: Lost to #7 Wisconsin as a #10
 
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Yea but there is 1 stat where he ranks the worst of all time. I forget exactly what it is. I think it might be something like most NCAAT games coached without advancing past seed line.
You may be right there. I don't recall Pitt winning a tourney game in their road unis.
 
And guess what Jay Wright has only done it one time himself in the last ten years. Now of course that one year he won it all. But it shows you how hard it is to make deep runs in the tournament.

Actually he’s done it twice in the past 10 years and if he wins tomorrow it will be #3.

But I agree, it seems like they have gone deep more often than that.
 
And guess what Jay Wright has only done it one time himself in the last ten years. Now of course that one year he won it all. But it shows you how hard it is to make deep runs in the tournament.
How bout Mike Brey? He recently took notre dame to consecutive elite eights. Before that it took him 14 seasons and 9 tournament appearances to get to that elite eight, and only once in that span did he even make the sweet sixteen.
 
They did it in 2013.... when they beat #8 Colorado as a 9-seed.

That was easily the best performance in Pitt tournament history, that game was literally over in the first 5 minutes.

Of course we returned to earth 2 days later with that big 45 spot we put up against Florida, which was incredibly painful to watch.
 
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They did it in 2014.... when they beat #8 Colorado as a 9-seed.
Ah yes, good call. I remember now thinking we should've been the 8 (not that it matters at all), and thought we were. That may have actually ended his record, or prevented him from having it.
 
That was easily the best performance in Pitt tournament history, that game was literally over in the first 5 minutes.

Of course we returned to earth 2 days later with that big 45 spot we put up against Florida, which was incredibly painful to watch.
Florida went to the Final Four and the top defensive team in the country that year. There was no shame in that result.
 
Oh because paying players 100k vs not doesnt make a difference? You baffoon
Show me the proof.... You gave none and neither does the FBI which is why Arizona didn't fire him... I know that's all over your head, When you wake up tomorrow one thing will still be true: Dixon can't win in March.
 
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Show me the proof.... You gave none and neither does the FBI which is why Arizona didn't fire him... I know that's all over your head, When you wake up tomorrow one thing will still be true: Dixon can't win in March.
They wouldn't care even if there was proof (which I agree there's not.) They'll fire him because buffalo absolutely humiliated him while Nate oats sat there and laughed at him.
 
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Show me the proof.... You gave none and neither does the FBI which is why Arizona didn't fire him... I know that's all over your head, When you wake up tomorrow one thing will still be true: Dixon can't win in March.
Book Richardson, Miller's assistant for years, has already been indicted on bribery charges for paying players.

It is an incontrovertible fact that Miller used players that were paid.... the only question is whether Miller knew they were being paid or not.

And if you believe that Miller's trusted sidekick Book Richardson was doing this without Miller having any knowledge of it, you're too naive to discuss this issue.
 
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They wouldn't care even if there was proof (which I agree there's not.) They'll fire him because buffalo absolutely humiliated him while Nate oats sat there and laughed at him.
Probably ... but it won't be because of the Buffalo game. He's still one of the best coaches in the country and better than Dixon.
 
Florida went to the Final Four and the top defensive team in the country that year. There was no shame in that result.

No shame in the result sure, but no way in hell a 27 win ACC team should score 45 points.

Only 3 teams scored less against Florida that year, one of those being Savannah St.
 
There's always an excuse .. Whether Pitt was the higher seed or the lower seed... Always an excuse. Good coaches win games they aren't supposed to on occasion.
If you think there's shame in a 9-seed losing to a 1-seed, then I don't know what else to say.

Losing to #13 Bradley as a 5-seed? Yep. Shameful.
Losing to #10 Kent State as a 2-seed? Yep. Shameful.

But losing to a #1 seed Florida as a 9-seed? Nope.
 
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Book Richardson, Miller's assistant for years, has already been indicted on bribery charges for paying players.

It is an incontrovertible fact that Miller used players that were paid.... the only question is whether Miller knew they were being paid or not.

And if you believe that Miller's trusted sidekick Book Richardson was doing this without Miller having any knowledge of it, you're too naive to discuss this issue.
I know all that BS... Using players who were paid doesn't make Miler guilty of anything. Cheating is rampant in the NCAA including at hallowed placed like Duke. Show me a program that doesn't bend any of the rules and I'll show you a program that doesn't win. You want to play paddy cakes or compete ?
 
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Probably ... but it won't be because of the Buffalo game. He's still one of the best coaches in the country and better than Dixon.
I agree. And yeah not just the buffalo game, his overall lack of a final four. Should absolutely be expected with the talent he gets, but he's great because he brings in that kind of talent.
 
I know all that BS... Using players who were paid doesn't make Miler guilty of anything. Cheating is rampant in the NCAA including at hallowed placed like Duke. Show me a program that doesn't bend any of the rules and I'll show you a program that doesn't win. You want to play paddy cakes or compete ?
Try to keep up, Del.

You were responding to someone who said paying $100k to players makes a difference.. by saying that there's no proof.

Yes... there is. Miller used players that got paid.

And no.... not everybody did. Pitt didn't pay players under Dixon. And Coach K has no need to pay players to get them to go to Duke.

Miller benefitted from cheating...and it is biting him in the ass now.
 
If you think there's shame in a 9-seed losing to a 1-seed, then I don't know what else to say.

Losing to #13 Bradley as a 5-seed? Yep. Shameful.
Losing to #10 Kent State as a 2-seed? Yep. Shameful.

But losing to a #1 seed Florida as a 9-seed? Nope.
I don't think it's a shame. The point is that a well coached team beats teams on occasion they're not supposed to best on occasion. Dixon's teams NEVER did this in the NCAAs. I'd that too complicated a concept for you to understand?
 
I don't think it's a shame. The point is that a well coached team beats teams on occasion they're not supposed to best on occasion. Dixon's teams NEVER did this in the NCAAs. I'd that too complicated a concept for you to understand?
I'm not arguing that he did.

He's 12-12 in the NCAAs. That's below average, given the seed lines he's had.

But he's gone to the NCAA tournament in 12 of his 15 years as a head coach. And I'd return to that in a second over the shitshow that we are now.
 
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Try to keep up, Del.

You were responding to someone who said paying $100k to players makes a difference.. by saying that there's no proof.

Yes... there is. Miller used players that got paid.

And no.... not everybody did. Pitt didn't pay players under Dixon. And Coach K has no need to pay players to get them to go to Duke.

Miller benefitted from cheating...and it is biting him in the ass now.
There's no damn proof .. the player himself denied it and he wasn't ruled ineligible. Believe it or not innocence or guilt isn't proven by what you read in the Globe. Is that too complicated for you?
 
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There's no damn proof .. the player himself denied it and he wasn't ruled ineligible. Believe it or not innocence or guilt isn't proven by what you read in the Globe. Is that too complicated for you?
Book Richardson was indicted. He's going to go to jail. Players at Arizona were paid.

You want to say there's no proof Miller knew about it? Okay... I'll grant that... there's no proof of that yet.

But there is proof that he had players who were paid... just no direct proof that he was involved in the paying.
 
If you think there's shame in a 9-seed losing to a 1-seed, then I don't know what else to say.

Losing to #13 Bradley as a 5-seed? Yep. Shameful.
Losing to #10 Kent State as a 2-seed? Yep. Shameful.

But losing to a #1 seed Florida as a 9-seed? Nope.

I don’t even think it’s so much the result as his teams always play tight, tight, tight in the tournament. Even against some of the really bad teams they beat it was a struggle much more than it should have been.

I have nothing against Dixon (at least compared to some on here), but the results show he’s a bad NCAA tournament coach. SMF alluded to it earlier, but there is some sort of advanced metrics ranking out there relying on results vs seeding that have him as the worst tournament coach of all time.

Anyone who watched that game tonight can’t say it didn’t evoke memories of some of Pitt’s tournament no shows.
 
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Try to keep up, Del.

You were responding to someone who said paying $100k to players makes a difference.. by saying that there's no proof.

Yes... there is. Miller used players that got paid.

And no.... not everybody did. Pitt didn't pay players under Dixon. And Coach K has no need to pay players to get them to go to Duke.

Miller benefitted from cheating...and it is biting him in the ass now.
Duke came up in the original leaks by the FBI.. Go check your notes.
 
If you think there's shame in a 9-seed losing to a 1-seed, then I don't know what else to say.

Losing to #13 Bradley as a 5-seed? Yep. Shameful.
Losing to #10 Kent State as a 2-seed? Yep. Shameful.

But losing to a #1 seed Florida as a 9-seed? Nope.
Not that it really matters to make your point, but Kent state was howland.
 
Book Richardson was indicted. He's going to go to jail. Players at Arizona were paid.

You want to say there's no proof Miller knew about it? Okay... I'll grant that... there's no proof of that yet.

But there is proof that he had players who were paid... just no direct proof that he was involved in the paying.
So what 's your point? That but for players being paid Miller wouldn't have been a successful coach? My position remains the same and that he's a better coach than Dixon. I saw that when Pitt played Xavier in 2009.
 
Nobody from Duke has been indicted.

Somebody from Arizona has been.
There's evidence linking Duke to paying reps from the shoe companies and agents. K said he knew nothing about it... what a surprise. You don't know what the hell the evidence is linking Duke so don't pretend you do. You're talking out of your hind end.
 
I had an argument with a TCU fan where I told him, get ready for a lot of soft non-conference schedules that will pump up the win total but not mean much, then a .500 record in conference play. And then losing to a worse seed in the tourney. It’s Dixon’s MO and why I was happy to let him walk when he did (the replacement hire was the problem not letting Dixon go).

I’m still fine with the fact he’s not coaching the team. We should shoot higher than a guy that pads his wins with a terrible Non conference just to get to 20 wins and get to the tourney and then underperform.
 
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I had an argument with a TCU fan where I told him, get ready for a lot of soft non-conference schedules that will pump up the win total but not mean much, then a .500 record in conference play. And then losing to a worse seed in the tourney. It’s Dixon’s MO and why I was happy to let him walk when he did
We alll know his MO when it comes to scheduling, you're not too far off there. But you're forgetting he spent the majority of his tenure here in the big east, and is the winningest coach percentage wise in the history of the conference. So other than his 3 years in the ACC, he was winning at well over .500 in conference.
 
So what 's your point? That but for players being paid Miller wouldn't have been a successful coach? My position remains the same and that he's a better coach than Dixon. I saw that when Pitt played Xavier in 2009.
Lmao u mean when pitt beat xavier!!!!! Nice argument nate oats must be the goat then . Also remember when Kevin Stallings beat Mount Tony Bennet last year ? Hes the true goat. Picking and choosing . Dixon mustve stolen your wife
 
For whatever reason, he just cannot get his teams to perform in the NCAA tournament like they do in the regular season.
For whatever reason? There is a big reason. The guy is a micro manager who slows down possessions and doesn't understand that a powerful offense is what gets it done in the dance. Bennett and Dixon are very similar.
 
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This whole “underperforming with superior Recruits”?

Who cares? Why does one guy get credit for losing because his recruiting isn’t good while another guy gets trashed because he “under performs because his talent his high”?

It comes down to winning and losing, that’s it.

Miller has underperformed his teams seed over and over again much like Dixon. Miller shouldn’t be more critiqued simply because he’s a better recruiter than Dixon, it’s an aspect of coaching
 
Like most things...there is nuance and there can be multiple thoughts at once.

Good coach with a great run here. But pressure mounted because of those exits. Meanwhile, he slipped his last 5 years and sonits the GAP that widened between performance and expectations.

Probably a divorce was eventually needed at that rate. The problem to me was timing and then the replacement.
 
And guess what Jay Wright has only done it one time himself in the last ten years. Now of course that one year he won it all. But it shows you how hard it is to make deep runs in the tournament.

And it shows how just getting it done ONE TIME changes perception
 
In 12 NCAA appearances, it was only his 4th "one and done".

He's underachieved... But he is 8-4 in the first round

2004: Beat #14 UCF as a #3
2005: Lost to #8 Pacific as a #9
2006: Beat #12 Kent State as a #5
2007: Beat #14 Wright State as a #3
2008: Beat #13 Oral Roberts as a #4
2009: Beat #16 E. Tenn State as a #1
2010: Beat #14 Oakland as a #3
2011: Beat #16 UNC-Asheville as a #1
2013: Lost to #9 Wichita State as at #8
2014: Beat #8 Colorado as a #9
2016: Lost to #7 Wisconsin as a #10
and never lost to worse than a number 8 seed. TCU was a minor favorite last night. no big shocker they lost. I think Syracuse is more talented and they are coached by a HOF coach. I don't recall any real embarrassment losses, getting blown out, in the NCAA. the loss to Whisky was down to a last second shot.Wisconsin made an NCAA run. Wichita State went onto to a run, elite 8/final 4? Dixon may have been worn out here. I think he stayed at Pitt partially due to loyalty to the school which really stood by him when he tragically lost his sister. the guy can coach a team, he can keep a team together, he develops players and teams. He is a fighter and a damn good guy. When he had NBA type talent, Blair/Young, they missed the final 4 by a heartbeat. Hey, other coaches can win big at Pitt, they just have to be really good coaches and stay at Pitt when other schools go after him, like Dixon did. yes, he used other schools to get a raise, but he STAYED, he could have left many times.
 
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All true, but I really don't care all that much anymore. My only "care" about Dixon was that I didn't pick him to win on any of my brackets. His track record in the tournament is too clear.

I just hope someday our Panthers can get back to the point of lamenting early exits in the NCAA tournament.

We will and hopefully go beyond!
 
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I really don’t understand all the hate for Jamie. I’ve criticized his in game coaching a lot over the years. But he was an awesome coach and a great guy. He’s not perfect but he was a great coach who is nationally known. His first 8 years his teams were usually dominant and full of great players. Now since 2009 he did underperform in the tournament. I think he needs a great game manager as his top assistant. It’s no secret he lost that when Tom Herrion left in 2010 and he never seemed to come close to replacing him. The results in the tournament after Herrion left reflect this
 
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