Dixon to UCLA?

[thebadby2]

UCLA's problem is that they aren't a blue blood but way too many of their fans think they are. People in their 40s only know about their great dynasty from hearing about it from other people. Kids being recruited today only know about it from the history books.

That last paragraph sounds like Pitt FB fans, the old guys.[/QUOTE]
You don't get it. They are a blueblood. They are an underperforming blueblood, but once a blueblood, always a blueblood.

In college hoops, the established, traditional bluebloods are:

Kentucky
Duke
UNC
Kansas
UCLA
Indiana

these programs all have storied histories in some cases going all the way back to the invention of the game. IU and UCLA are fading and in the case of IU, on the verge of losing blueblood status, but they are still in the club based on historical achievement and prestige within the sport. UCLA, like Notre Dame oin football, has had a lot of ups and downs and has not consistently been one of hte best 5-10 programs in the country for decades, but they are still college hoops royalty, make no mistake.

there are programs that have been consistently better than most of them over the past 20-30 years--MSU, Gonzaga, UCONN, Syracuse, Nova, Oklahoma, etc.--but while those programs are close to blueblood status, they aren't in that little club of 6 mentioned above.

 

[ScrantonicityIII]

That last paragraph sounds like Pitt FB fans, the old guys.

You don't get it. They are a blueblood. They are an underperforming blueblood, but once a blueblood, always a blueblood.

In college hoops, the established, traditional bluebloods are:
above.[/QUOTE]
I get everything. I was only commenting on how his comment sounded like a lot of Pitt fans who act like we're elite.

 

[TD_6082]

That last paragraph sounds like Pitt FB fans, the old guys.

You don't get it. They are a blueblood. They are an underperforming blueblood, but once a blueblood, always a blueblood.

In college hoops, the established, traditional bluebloods are:

Kentucky
Duke
UNC
Kansas
UCLA
Indiana

these programs all have storied histories in some cases going all the way back to the invention of the game. IU and UCLA are fading and in the case of IU, on the verge of losing blueblood status, but they are still in the club based on historical achievement and prestige within the sport. UCLA, like Notre Dame oin football, has had a lot of ups and downs and has not consistently been one of hte best 5-10 programs in the country for decades, but they are still college hoops royalty, make no mistake.

there are programs that have been consistently better than most of them over the past 20-30 years--MSU, Gonzaga, UCONN, Syracuse, Nova, Oklahoma, etc.--but while those programs are close to blueblood status, they aren't in that little club of 6 mentioned above.[/QUOTE]

Agree. Others close in that time frame would maybe include Louisville, Michigan, and Florida, even though Florida's fanbase as a whole could hardly care less.

 

[DiehardPanther]

UCLA Basketball = The U in Football

 

[Fsgolfdr]

Just saw were JDs buyout is 8 mil and he’s trying to get it reduced to 1 . Hope TCU says NO !

 

[DiehardPanther]

Just saw were JDs buyout is 8 mil and he’s trying to get it reduced to 1 . Hope TCU says NO !

Dixon could go through the motions, and still make 3 million a year for the next 4 years. Not sure if that is a good strategy.

 

[Fsgolfdr]

Dixon could go through the motions, and still make 3 million a year for the next 4 years. Not sure if that is a good strategy.

No-one with any pride in themselves is going to lose on purpose . That would essentially end his career .
He signed the deal to go to his dream job now live up to it . You want to leave then it’s 8 million .

 

[Panther Parrothead]

If Dixon's deal falls thru and he ends-up remaining at TCU, I'm not sure how he could look his players in their collective eyes again. How could he coach there with the full knowledge that the players - and TCU's Administration - know that he was out there measuring the curtains for his new house in We$tbrook and really doesn't give two sh**s about them.

If I'm TCU, I'd bend on the buyout just a bit - just enough to get Dixon to leave. I'm not sure that he could hold his TCU recruits now that it's known that Jamie wants to leave.

 

[Fsgolfdr]

If Dixon's deal falls thru and he ends-up remaining at TCU, I'm not sure how he could look his players in their collective eyes again. How could he coach there with the full knowledge that the players - and TCU's Administration - know that he was out there measuring the curtains for his new house in We$tbrook and really doesn't give two sh**s about them.

If I'm TCU, I'd bend on the buyout just a bit - just enough to get Dixon to leave. I'm not sure that he could hold his TCU recruits now that it's known that Jamie wants to leave.

They did everything they could to get him there and now after three yrs he wants to turn his back on them . If I’m TCU I say F ...him . You want to go live in LA then It’s 8 million to leave period . If he doesn’t give 100% I’d fire him and sue him for whatever monies that are left on his contract .
I didn’t blame him for what happened at Pitt , but unless there’s something brewing down there we aren’t privy too I’d be real pissed if he leaves if I was a TCU fan .

 

[DiehardPanther]

No-one with any pride in themselves is going to lose on purpose . That would essentially end his career .
He signed the deal to go to his dream job now live up to it . You want to leave then it’s 8 million .

Who said lose on purpose? Lots of people go through the motions at work. Look no further than Stallings at Pitt.

 

[Fsgolfdr]

Who said lose on purpose? Lots of people go through the motions at work. Look no further than Stallings at Pitt.

I’m not in the camp that feels KS didn’t care . I base that solely upon the players reaction to his firing . If you played for a coach that didn’t care you’d be ecstatic if he was canned . The players know better than anyone with the possible exception of the assistant coaches . Of course that excludes all the posters on this board that know everything !

I’d doubt that JD would want as his legacy to be a guy who never won when it mattered and then he just mailed it in his last few yrs to collect a paycheck .

If JD walks on his alma mater I’d personally lose a lot of respect for the man . He’s already wealthy beyond any definition of wealthy , you left the job you wanted to retire from and then you leave your dream job . What does that really say about you . ( unless there’s issues at TCU we not privy too.)

 

[Gunga_Galunga]

Why should TCU lower his buyout so UCLA can hire him? I applaud TCU and I'll applaud them even more if they don't offer him more to stay.

Dixon is becoming pathetic.

 

[infinitypanther]

 

[TheDeanofPgh]

How does he come back to TCU and say he wants to be there and recruit?
I'd think this is something the other Big12 coaches will use against TCU for any potential recruits.

 

[Fsgolfdr]

Always wanting something better has its consequences , I know I'd feel a little bit betrayed if the guy who recruited me wanted to split .
The fallacy that these kids choose a school for things other than athletics is busted .He's got some fence mending to do .
Good for TCU if they wouldn't budge on the buyout .

 

[freddietee511]

Idk. Its similar to calipari going to talk to them. Just more drawn out. Looks worse for UCLA.

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

You don't get it. They are a blueblood. They are an underperforming blueblood, but once a blueblood, always a blueblood.

In college hoops, the established, traditional bluebloods are:

Kentucky
Duke
UNC
Kansas
UCLA
Indiana

these programs all have storied histories in some cases going all the way back to the invention of the game. IU and UCLA are fading and in the case of IU, on the verge of losing blueblood status, but they are still in the club based on historical achievement and prestige within the sport. UCLA, like Notre Dame oin football, has had a lot of ups and downs and has not consistently been one of hte best 5-10 programs in the country for decades, but they are still college hoops royalty, make no mistake.

there are programs that have been consistently better than most of them over the past 20-30 years--MSU, Gonzaga, UCONN, Syracuse, Nova, Oklahoma, etc.--but while those programs are close to blueblood status, they aren't in that little club of 6 mentioned above.

It's good that you lumped Indiana in there with UCLA, because the only people that think that Indiana and UCLA are bluebloods in 2019 are Indiana and UCLA fans and old people who think that it's 1979, not 2019. Not coincidentally, Notre Dame football is similar in that the only people who think that they are a blueblood are Notre Dame fans and old people.

 

[Fsgolfdr]

It's good that you lumped Indiana in there with UCLA, because the only people that think that Indiana and UCLA are bluebloods in 2019 are Indiana and UCLA fans and old people who think that it's 1979, not 2019. Not coincidentally, Notre Dame football is similar in that the only people who think that they are a blueblood are Notre Dame fans and old people.

Don't forget NBC and the bank where they deposit their moola .

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

Don't forget NBC and the bank where they deposit their moola .

But that's all wrapped up in the number of Notre Dame fans, not Notre Dame's current "standing" in the college football world.

But how much do you think that, say, Alabama would get for their television rights if they were an independent and could negotiate a deal on their own like Notre Dame does? Or Ohio State?

Those schools would make a lot more money, because a lot more people watch Alabama and Ohio State football games than Notre Dame games. Even with all the old people who still think that Notre Dame is the greatest program in college football.

 

[Fsgolfdr]

But that's all wrapped up in the number of Notre Dame fans, not Notre Dame's current "standing" in the college football world.

But how much do you think that, say, Alabama would get for their television rights if they were an independent and could negotiate a deal on their own like Notre Dame does? Or Ohio State?

Those schools would make a lot more money, because a lot more people watch Alabama and Ohio State football games than Notre Dame games. Even with all the old people who still think that Notre Dame is the greatest program in college football.

Their play on the field says it all , but Alabama, OSU or whomever would trade checks with ND in a heartbeat . After all college athletics number one priority is money and that makes ND the king of college Fb . You don't have to like it , but the fact$ are the fact$ .

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

Their play on the field says it all , but Alabama, OSU or whomever would trade checks with ND in a heartbeat . After all college athletics number one priority is money and that makes ND the king of college Fb . You don't have to like it , but the fact$ are the fact$ .

Notre Dame gets $15 million a year from NBC for football and last year got $5.9 million from the ACC for the rest of it's sports for a total of $20.9 million. In 2017 a full Big Ten share was $34.8 million and a full SEC share was $40.9 million.

The fact$ are, indeed, the fact$. But they aren't what you $eem to think that they are.

 

[Fsgolfdr]

Notre Dame gets $15 million a year from NBC for football and last year got $5.9 million from the ACC for the rest of it's sports for a total of $20.9 million. In 2017 a full Big Ten share was $34.8 million and a full SEC share was $40.9 million.

The fact$ are, indeed, the fact$. But they aren't what you $eem to think that they are.

I stand corrected thought their deal was more lucrative . See one of us can admit when they error .

 

[DT_PITT]

Why should TCU lower his buyout so UCLA can hire him? I applaud TCU and I'll applaud them even more if they don't offer him more to stay.

Dixon is becoming pathetic.

Ok ... but do you feel the same way about Pitt lowering their buyout to lose Dixon to TCU?

 

[Gunga_Galunga]

Ok ... do you feel the same way about Pitt lowering their buyout to lose him to TCU?

I think Pitt was stupid to lower their buyout to $1m as was reported. The problem you run into in this situation though, is that you have a coach with one foot out of the door looking to leave. Do you really want him back?

Pitt thought they could do better, but incompetence (or malfeasance) prevented it. Maybe TCU thinks they can't do better, or they wanted the money to throw at the next coach.

 

[DT_PITT]

I think Pitt was stupid to lower their buyout to $1m as was reported. The problem you run into in this situation though, is that you have a coach with one foot out of the door looking to leave. Do you really want him back?

Pitt thought they could do better, but incompetence (or malfeasance) prevented it. Maybe TCU thinks they can't do better, or they wanted the money to throw at the next coach.

Fair enough. Just looking for consistency.

 

[levance2]

How does he come back to TCU and say he wants to be there and recruit?
I'd think this is something the other Big12 coaches will use against TCU for any potential recruits.

How does it make any difference? We've had people say that Miller really did want the Pitt job a year ago, yet he went back to UA and recruited pretty well.

Did Calipari really interview at UCLA? Does that somehow imply he's itching to take any job in the country? No, of course not. Dixon wanted to go to UCLA. There's only one UCLA, and now he's not going there. With that job off the table, he'll probably spend the rest of his career at TCU.

 

[Fsgolfdr]

I think Pitt was stupid to lower their buyout to $1m as was reported. The problem you run into in this situation though, is that you have a coach with one foot out of the door looking to leave. Do you really want him back?

Pitt thought they could do better, but incompetence (or malfeasance) prevented it. Maybe TCU thinks they can't do better, or they wanted the money to throw at the next coach.

I do too , why lower your buyout if someone’s offering a sweetheart deal to lure your coach away . How surprising that Barnes screwed that up too !

 

[PittMiamiRivalry]

He's going to have access to elite talent and he will win there. The question is whether he can win enough to be successful in the eyes of Bruin fans. Keep in mind, they don't hang banners for Final Fours there. Final Fours are pretty much necessary to hang on to a job there.

when did Dixon become a good coach of elite talent?

 

[BFo8]

Do you know any UCLA fans; those from CA who starting following them as kids, not those from PA or OH that started to like them because their Dads told them how much success they had in the 60s and 70s? Do you know any UCLA grads; ones that followed them more closely than people on here follow Pitt? I do. I worked with a bunch and I have some buddies who went to UCLA; all fans since the 70s and 80s. You don't know what you are talking about. There were plenty of UCLA fans that didn't think Howland was going to be able to win them a National Championship, and that was after he had already made a few Final Fours. They wanted to get a new coach to use the talent that was brought in to get them over the hump. Once it started to go downhill, they were happy because they could get rid of him pretty easily.

I agree about Dixon. Getting paid what he is and has been has not translated into Tournament success.

Hell I live on the west coast as well and know/have known plenty of UCLA fans/boosters/donors.

I do know what I’m talking about maybe just a little bit. There will always be that segment of fans at UCLA that anything short of a title isn’t good enough. That’s not all of them though, not even the majority. There were plenty of UCLA fans that were happy with their performance on the court.

I didn’t know any million dollar donors like the other poster on here, but I’ve known quite a few that could be considered sizable contributors. They liked Howland and the direction of the program just fine, the off the court stuff, especially the SI expose and the dark shadow the recruiting of Shabazz Muhammad cast on the program was just too much for Howland to overcome.

 

[TD_6082]

when did Dixon become a good coach of elite talent?

He's never had elite talent. It's hard to say how he would do.

 

[thebadby2]

It's good that you lumped Indiana in there with UCLA, because the only people that think that Indiana and UCLA are bluebloods in 2019 are Indiana and UCLA fans and old people who think that it's 1979, not 2019. Not coincidentally, Notre Dame football is similar in that the only people who think that they are a blueblood are Notre Dame fans and old people.

You must not pay much attention to the national sports media. They make sure the traditional blue bloods are always relevant in good times and bad.

Once a blueboood, always a blueboood.

Win or lose, Notre Dame football, like Alabama, OSU, USC and Michigan, will always be more nationally relevant than anyone else-including Clemson, Georgia, FSU, Wisconsin, Oregon, etc.

The same principle is most assuredly true of the handful of hoops blue bloods. UCLA will always be one because of 11 national championships and many legendary players. Indiana is a lesser version but is in that group because of how basketball crazy the state of Indiana is.

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

The same principle is most assuredly true of the handful of hoops blue bloods. UCLA will always be one because of 11 national championships and many legendary players. Indiana is a lesser version but is in that group because of how basketball crazy the state of Indiana is.

You might think that, because I am assuming you are older (as am I). But do you really think that 17 year old kids look on Indiana as anything other than just another team? Or even UCLA? No way.

Sure, an Indiana kid looks on Indiana favorably and a kid from SoCal might look on UCLA favorably, but that's geography and home town stuff. Kids from the south or the west couldn't care less about Indiana. UCLA built their dynasty on kids from the east and cheating at an unprecedented level. Kids from the east don't care about UCLA in 2019.

UCLA and Indiana are bludbloods in the eyes of people who were around during and shortly after their glory days. Which were decades ago. Kids today don't grow up hoping to play for Indiana (unless they are from there), they grow up hoping to play for Kentucky and Duke and Kansas and North Carolina.