Yep. In the same league that made Doug Flutie go to Canada. Warren Moon. In a league where rich Gannon didn’t become an MVP until he was in the league almost a decade. Plan for the same league that signed a guy named Tommy Maddox, who was out of the league who came back into the league and was a serviceable starter until they found a franchise quarterback. The same league that had a guy named Kurt Warner bagging groceries. Yep the same guy.
This is a reasonable take, especially when your talking a coach and franchise that is pretty clueless about modern NFL offense.
We debated this and I'll admit that Mason has played better than I would have expected. Hats off to him.
The problem I have with this take is the same as the player xxxx was a 3 star argument. You can pick a handful of exceptions, but end up ignoring a lot guys they were right on. Evals are never perfect in any sport, but they're correct a heck of a lot more than they are wrong.
The league didn't miss on those guys. Warren Moon signed in Canada before the NFL could draft him and while he put up some big stats in that era, he was a 500 QB in the NFL. Rich Gannon was terrible and then suffered a pretty serious injury before finally having a few decent seasons towards the end of his career. Tommy Maddox and Doug Flutie were mostly bad NFL QB's. The league didn't get any of those guys wrong at all. Kurt Warner might be the one guy you could say didn't get a ton of attention right out of the gate but managed to stick around. Rudolph didn't have to play in hockey rinks or over in Europe. He was drafted in the third round and has underperformed until this moment. So he has had two good games which is awesome. He's getting a chance to show his value.
Brett Favre was run out of ATL. Steve Young had a career before San Fransisco?? Warren Moon was NOT going to be given a shot in the league just like Charlie Ward. Where did Mark Brunnell play before the expansion draft?? They ran Drew Brees out of San Diego. And you say “ the league didn’t get any of those guys wrong at all”?? Jeff Garcia didn’t exist? The league misses out on a lot of guys because 75% OF THE GM‘S AND COACHES DON’T KNOW HOW TO EVALUATE QB’S. If they did, then half of them wouldn’t get fired, and the other half wouldn’t be at the top of the draft every year looking for another quarterback to make up for the quarterback that they missed on. Why can’t we just admit that some guys make bad evaluations when it comes to quarterback play? Mike, Tomlin and the Steelers are obviously one of those teams because other than drafting who else have they been able to draft other than Mason that is look like a somewhat competent, starting quarterback? One of the biggest aspects of developing a quarterback is patience. a lot of people want to see a guy do good for his first season and never struggle but we know for a fact that it takes years in the league to get to a point where you figure it out. Mason has not underperformed until this moment. He was performing at the same pace as a Josh Allen, who was a first round pick, but Mike Tomlin sabotaged him, but not knowing how to allow your quarterback to go through adversity and answer the challenge of coming back from it in a timely manner. Like 75% of the rest of the league just said well he’s never gonna get it. And I believe that because there’s a lack of good offense of coaching in the NFL there’s a lot of quarterbacks who will get thrown to the scrap who probably could’ve been good if they had received the proper coaching. This is why a lot of these guys are mediocre. I’m just saying there has to be a concrete process by which you evaluate your quarterbacks and it can’t start with the quarterback it has to start with the scheme . Then you get the line. Then you get the skill position players. Then you get the quarterback to come in and watch and experience guy execute your system, which has been proven to work in the NFL for four or more years..your scheme has to Have gone thru 3 seasons on evaluations just to make sure that your offense system actually works. If you draft a quarterback before you have those things, you will get a miss evaluation of a quarterback, 95% of the time. Prove me wrong.
I’ve heard a lot of wild stuff in my life but “Tomlin sabatoged Rudolph” is one of the wildest.
Totally wrong. Never really got a chance until he was 36 years old, had good seasons as starter on average teams, made play-offs, lost WC games, left Bills in 2001 (last season shown) took over a SD Charger team that was 1-15 the year before, he was productive w/o much opportunity.
| 13 | 202 | 354 | 57.1 | 2,711 | 7.7 | 20 | 11 | 36 | ||
| 15 | 264 | 478 | 55.2 | 3,171 | 6.6 | 19 | 16 | 37 | ||
| 11 | 132 | 231 | 57.1 | 1,700 | 7.4 | 8 | 3 | 38 | ||
| 16 | 294 | 521 | 56.4 | 3,464 | 6.6 | 15 | 18 | 39 |
Pittsburgh fans are no different than Philly fans. Same deal. Is what it is... Aside from Philly having far more relevant pro teams as of late and I'm not Philly fan.
Dude.... Philly fans are terrible. These are the same people that threw snow balls at Santa🤣. That's not really the comparison I would use. I get your point that all fans are becoming increasingly vile and with social media they can share every hyperbole based emotional overreacting thought with the world. My problem is sports media are now reflecting that same sentiment. Stephen A. Smith and the like have made millions making outlandish and exaggerating takes. It's the new normal. There is a funny Dr. Pepper commercial about how every fan must have a podcast. It's hard to tell the difference between the fan takes and the professional media takes. I'm just over it. Not to mention most of the "media personalities" in the city suck and wouldn't find a job in a major city. The only one I truly respect is Bob Pompeani. The Ron Cooks and Mark Kaboly's of the world are so idiotic it's comical.
I think what blows my mind about this argument is that we're pointing at guys who mostly didn't win and had a lot of things going against them to argue that Mason Rudolph has been deprived of his chance while eagerly throwing Pickett onto the trash heap of Steeler history.
Philly fans are somewhere in between being butt hurt that Jalen Hurts isn't in the pro bowl and he probably isn't a franchise QB.
Respectfully, the majority of Philly fans, despite some boorish behavior from the DELCO types, are at least very knowledgeable. IMO, Steeler fans, while passionate and supportive, generally aren't very informed and tend to not be able to view things comparatively to the rest of what's happening in the league outside of the 412 bubble.
Hey, all those guys coach (or have coached) their son's peewee team. They're master tacticians.
I have a very large family full of Eagles fans that live in southeastern PA, and lots of other friends. Trust me, they are no more knowledgeable than Steelers' fans. There is absolutely no difference at all.
Explain him getting benched for 6 quarters of bad football but then giving Trubisky chance after chance with 8 games of bad football??
Wildly inaccurate? Bad timing? The whole "sabotage" thing is revisionist.
Speak for yourself. I said Mason should’ve been went back too after the Cincy game. I said he should have started in 2022.
Right. A few times. You're better at evaluating QB's than 75% of the NFL but it's Friday afternoon and you're on the Pitt message board. It's almost like you missed your calling.
Truthfully. I think Rudy is better than he’ was perceived by the experts. I thought he played decent against Detroit and was a muth fumble from winning
So if he struggled on some other team the fans and media in that city would be ok with it?
What kind of numbers would Kenny have put up at ok st with their air raid offense?
SMF love you buddy, but if this is your assertion what was the point of your post in the first place?
Uhhhhh. One of them has been in the NFL for like 6 years. The other hasn't even finished his second. If they are the same guy it says more about the 6th year guy than the 2nd year guy no????
So what you're saying is in another 4 years Pickett will not have progressed at all? Interesting take ...guess we'll see.
Who knows? Maybe he will or maybe he won't even be in the league. Not much that we've seen so far is impressive.
That's what Kenny seems to be trending towards, I saw Peterman on Sunday, he played 2 plays for the Bears when Fields got shaken up.
