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ESPN: Toughest Nonconference Schedules in 2017

would you really be that much happier if last year's team went 9-4 instead of 8-5, replacing the ok state loss with an fcs win? I mean, would that really make a difference to you or anyone?

You guys are acting like your scheduling strategy would give us an 11-1 record and top 10 ranking. You still have to play 8 conference games, you still have to beat Va tech, Miami and UNC to be considered a respectable team..

Yeah, I really like the look of that NINE, and it would be fun to have a RANK for a change, 9-4 might of accomplished that too! I don't think these voters are looking that close at who you beat when they are voting for the 20-25 spots in the rankings. YES, I absolutely want more wins and a ranking.
 
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Ok, I'll try this again. UW stacks is schedule with really easy games to guarantee a certain number of wins...then goes on to lose most games against good teams. Got it?

tO$U Lost
PedSt. Lost
Mich. Lost

LSU was mess and fired their coach after the UW game and they beat a MAC school when the MAC much worst than their normal levels.

Nebraska, Iowa and Minnesota? Really. They beat a collective no-one. The B1G west is among the bottom 2 or 3 divisions of the P5 conferences; then they add 2 or 3 guaranteed wins on top of that.

That said, you just confirmed the point by listing all of those teams who generally play easier schedules and the correlation to finishing the year higher in the rankings.

They went 11-3 and ranked #9, the only lesser teams they played where Akron and Georgia State! They also played LSU an SEC team and beat them. So what.

What you seem to be saying is you'd rather replace Akron and Georgia State with say, Oklahoma State and Georgia or something like that, right? So would you be happier then to finish 9-5 or even 8-6 and out of the top 25? Me, HELL NO! I wouldn't, I'd rather be top 10 and 11-3.

I'd rather get MORE WINS and HIGHER RANKING if I had a choice.
 
Yeah, I really like the look of that NINE, and it would be fun to have a RANK for a change, 9-4 might of accomplished that too! I don't think these voters are looking that close at who you beat when they are voting for the 20-25 spots in the rankings. YES, I absolutely want more wins and a ranking.

-I just looked at the Pitt schedule again only to realize game 4 we have to travel and play at Georgia Tech. For all those that want the murders row type schedule we got it. If Pitt were to start the season 0-4,

a) How would you feel about that?

b) What type of recruiting damage will it have done?

c) What type of program damage will it have done?

d) How much stability and traction will be lost?

e) How many negative articles will come out in the Pittsburgh media and Nationally because of it?

-We play 4 teams that all won 9+ games last year in the first 4 weeks of the schedule. This might be the most difficult opening schedule in D1 in the last decade or longer. Youngstown State won 12 games last year, Penn State won the Big Ten and 11 games, Oklahoma State 10 games, and Tech 9 games. Our first 4 opponents won 42 games last year, an average of over 10 wins per team over the first 4 weeks of the season. Sorry pals, you can stick your chest out all you want wanting to be Billy bad ass with a hard schedule. Our season could put our football team in the toilet after week 4. Anyone want to predict attendance for the rest of the season if Pitt opens 0-4? 25,000-30,000 per game?
 
As the ACC gets tougher and tougher, it will probably force you into a weaker OOC schedule until the playoff committee says OOC matters when it comes to "quality" wins. PSU took more garbage for losing to a good Pitt than it did for taking all afternoon to put Kent State away. That's all the information you need to know about why it doesn't pay to load up in non-conference games.

The flip side of that is that PSU could run Frazier out there on a Saturday afternoon and be up 70 at half time and they'd sell just as many tickets. Pitt's administration has to decide if that's a tradeoff they want to make. You can't complain about stupid yellow seats when you purposely load up on cupcakes.
 
As the ACC gets tougher and tougher, it will probably force you into a weaker OOC schedule until the playoff committee says OOC matters when it comes to "quality" wins. PSU took more garbage for losing to a good Pitt than it did for taking all afternoon to put Kent State away. That's all the information you need to know about why it doesn't pay to load up in non-conference games.

The flip side of that is that PSU could run Frazier out there on a Saturday afternoon and be up 70 at half time and they'd sell just as many tickets. Pitt's administration has to decide if that's a tradeoff they want to make. You can't complain about stupid yellow seats when you purposely load up on cupcakes.

-Its already proven attendance will tank in Pittsburgh if the team starts poorly. Lets go back to 2005 when the team overloaded the schedule. Pitt started the year off 1-4. Pitt couldnt break 35,000 fans once in its final 4 home games. So because Pitt overloaded the schedule, lost on the field, and the overall record of the team stunk, Pitt fans said who cares and stopped going to the games.

-And the team tanked in 2006 and 2007 after playing a stupid opening schedule in 2005 overloading it. Pointless to schedule like this.
 
-I just looked at the Pitt schedule again only to realize game 4 we have to travel and play at Georgia Tech. For all those that want the murders row type schedule we got it. If Pitt were to start the season 0-4,

a) How would you feel about that?

b) What type of recruiting damage will it have done?

c) What type of program damage will it have done?

d) How much stability and traction will be lost?

e) How many negative articles will come out in the Pittsburgh media and Nationally because of it?

-We play 4 teams that all won 9+ games last year in the first 4 weeks of the schedule. This might be the most difficult opening schedule in D1 in the last decade or longer. Youngstown State won 12 games last year, Penn State won the Big Ten and 11 games, Oklahoma State 10 games, and Tech 9 games. Our first 4 opponents won 42 games last year, an average of over 10 wins per team over the first 4 weeks of the season. Sorry pals, you can stick your chest out all you want wanting to be Billy bad ass with a hard schedule. Our season could put our football team in the toilet after week 4. Anyone want to predict attendance for the rest of the season if Pitt opens 0-4? 25,000-30,000 per game?
f.) How tiresome is it to scroll down 12 inches for everyone of your posts such that we are now on page 3 and have only like seven posts on this subject?
 
Yeah, I really like the look of that NINE, and it would be fun to have a RANK for a change, 9-4 might of accomplished that too! I don't think these voters are looking that close at who you beat when they are voting for the 20-25 spots in the rankings. YES, I absolutely want more wins and a ranking.

ding ding ding....we have a winner. The correct answer.
 
Wisconsin made it's big jump in the ranking by beating LSU and MSU. Both schools were overrated in the preseason being in the top 10 but really they just beat 2 teams who were not good at all (LSU when they played and MSU for the season). The voters overlooked the losses verses Mich and tO$U because they were still thinking LSU and MSU were good teams.

If PedSt was preseason top 10, Pitt's win probably puts them in the top 15 but they were so it didn't move the needle.

Do you want to go back and revisit tO$U and Michigan's final body of work? In the end, the B1G probably had a couple of top 15ish teams and a couple of top 25ish teams then whole bunch of really bad teams below those 4.

Go look at UW's schedule next year- they have 9 built in wins. It really a joke.

Or because they lost to very good teams in close games, they got much respect.
 
ding ding ding....we have a winner. The correct answer.

Well, considering we beat 3 out of the 4 on the nonconference slate, I think we should focus more on beating the mediocre UNC team we had a huge lead against and blew, and the "cupcake" Northwestern team many thought was an automatic win to get to that 9 win mark. Those were the games that Pitt should have won.
 
Wisconsin made it's big jump in the ranking by beating LSU and MSU. Both schools were overrated in the preseason being in the top 10 but really they just beat 2 teams who were not good at all (LSU when they played and MSU for the season). The voters overlooked the losses verses Mich and tO$U because they were still thinking LSU and MSU were good teams.

If PedSt was preseason top 10, Pitt's win probably puts them in the top 15 but they were so it didn't move the needle.

Do you want to go back and revisit tO$U and Michigan's final body of work? In the end, the B1G probably had a couple of top 15ish teams and a couple of top 25ish teams then whole bunch of really bad teams below those 4.

Go look at UW's schedule next year- they have 9 built in wins. It really a joke.

They had a good schedule in 2016. You are just making excuses.
 
What am I making excuses about? 2016 was UWs toughest schedule in a decade because of the crossover games in tO$U and Michigan. They caught a break in LSU being a mess and MSU being terrible. Now it's back to playing Utah St, FAU and a BYU OCC and one tough crossover game. They will probably be favored in at least 9 games.

They had a good schedule in 2016. You are just making excuses.
 
What am I making excuses about? 2016 was UWs toughest schedule in a decade because of the crossover games in tO$U and Michigan. They caught a break in LSU being a mess and MSU being terrible. Now it's back to playing Utah St, FAU and a BYU OCC and one tough crossover game. They will probably be favored in at least 9 games.

And in 2017, if they only win 9 games, I dont' think they'll be ranked as high.
 
What am I making excuses about? 2016 was UWs toughest schedule in a decade because of the crossover games in tO$U and Michigan. They caught a break in LSU being a mess and MSU being terrible. Now it's back to playing Utah St, FAU and a BYU OCC and one tough crossover game. They will probably be favored in at least 9 games.

-Wisconsin plays 1 preseason ranked team on its entire schedule this year, overrated Michigan who is preseason Top 15. Most teams would sleep walk to 10 wins. Wisconsin will enjoy being ranked all year and may sneak into the top 5-10. Penn State and Washington are preseason weakest Top 10 schedules in the country per ESPN. Both teams could be playoff bound and are hyped up to be. Wouldnt it be a dandy that 2 teams with the easiest schedules in the entire country skate to the playoffs? Must be nice. Pitt will never hear the end of it if Penn State is ranked 2nd Nationally after week 4 and is 4-0 and Pitt is in ESPN's basement teams list at 0-4. If that were to happen, you can forget about even sniffing any Top PA players. Penn State will rout us in recruiting if Florida doesnt save our ass. Pitt better start off the season no worse than 2-2.
 
Looking again at their schedule it's more likely they are favored in 10 games (mostly heavily favored). They could go 11-3 again, beating no-one and finish in the top 10.

And in 2017, if they only win 9 games, I dont' think they'll be ranked as high.
 
Looking again at their schedule it's more likely they are favored in 10 games (mostly heavily favored). They could go 11-3 again, beating no-one and finish in the top 10.

-Getting back on this subject. Penn State is coming off sanctions. They played a light schedule last year and ended up winning the Big Ten. They now have far and away the best recruiting class in 2018, and it isnt even remotely close. And they are getting CB's for multiple 4 and 5 star players for about 5 more players. At the pace they are going in recruiting, they will have a class that is as good as an Alabama class before July is over. They fully took advantage of the weak schedule and its paying off with hype moving forward as they are slaughtering schools in recruiting.

-Pitt finished 8-5, beat Clemson and Penn State, and is basically off the entire preseason Top 25 radar outside ESPN. So our credit for beating the Big Ten Champion and National Champion is basically zilch. Because we didnt win 10 games. And we have zero recruits. See what hype and attention can get you? 8 win teams dont get attention and dont get hype. No one cares about Pitt next year besides Pitt fans. I wonder what the perception would be if we won 10 games this past year and scheduled easier? Preseason Top 25 just like Miami and Virginia Tech would be my guess. And both those schools had creampuff regular season type schedules last year.
 
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Looking again at their schedule it's more likely they are favored in 10 games (mostly heavily favored). They could go 11-3 again, beating no-one and finish in the top 10.
GREAT STRATEGY! Pitt should be SMART and try to emulate that! I WANT ELEVEN WINS and a HIGH RANKING.

I don't care if we DESERVE IT or not, as long as we GET IT.
 
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yeah, that psu game at Heinz with a sellout crowd was horrible. Lets get those games off and get some more FCS scrimmages on our schedule. Nothing screams big time football than Akron and New Hampshire games at pitt in front of 32,000 fans at noon on ESPN5.com..
The issue isn't with PSU or ND, but with a team like Ok State. They bring out basically no additional crowd and likely prove to be losses. Plus, a school like Ok State barely provides notoriety, even if you do manage to beat them. They aren't a name, even when they are good. I mean, it is better than playing Boise State, but not by a major stretch. If we aren't playing someone who will fill the stadium, we are much, much better off just getting a win.
 
The issue isn't with PSU or ND, but with a team like Ok State. They bring out basically no additional crowd and likely prove to be losses. Plus, a school like Ok State barely provides notoriety, even if you do manage to beat them. They aren't a name, even when they are good. I mean, it is better than playing Boise State, but not by a major stretch. If we aren't playing someone who will fill the stadium, we are much, much better off just getting a win.
of all the detractors from my opinion in this thread, this is the one I could possibly agree with. I think if you are going P5, best to stick with a mediocre P5 program. Iowa and MSU when we caught them about 5-6 years ago was good, name programs that were decent but far from "unbeatable". We caught Iowa on the wrong year 2 years ago. Same thing with Nebraska in '04, real good "name" program that wasn't a power house at the time. that was the game with Walt where we were driving at end of game to tie but fell short. My boy Strong had a sick catch.
 
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-Miami was ranked 10th in the country in week 6 for beating Florida Atlantic, Florida A&M, App State, and Georgia Tech. As for making shit up, people cant read on this board. The pair of Bama fans certainly cant.
You shifting the goal posts again steel?

You just jump from thread to thread lying and then claiming others can't read, even though they are QUOTING YOU, don't you?
 

The truth is neither Pitt nor Penn State believed they were scheduling a quality opponent (read: Top 25) when the current four-game series was agreed upon several years ago. Heck, neither team was highly regarded when they played back in September. It was a "who cares?" game outside the state of Pennsylvania.
I don't think you can blame anyone for overloading Pitt's OOC schedule if you think back to when those games were actually scheduled. OkSt was a strong opponent (that kept getting better), but PSU was headed for a crash and burn.
The difficulty with long-range scheduling is you can't be sure what you are going to face when the time comes to actually play the games.
 
The issue isn't with PSU or ND, but with a team like Ok State. They bring out basically no additional crowd and likely prove to be losses. Plus, a school like Ok State barely provides notoriety, even if you do manage to beat them. They aren't a name, even when they are good. I mean, it is better than playing Boise State, but not by a major stretch. If we aren't playing someone who will fill the stadium, we are much, much better off just getting a win.

This is 100% correct. Beating a mid-major rather than losing to OkSt would have had Pitt in the top 25 sooner and might have kept them there after the bowl game. You pull off a win against UNC or VaTech or NW and you have a ten win season and you have that in your back pocket.

In CFB, losses hurt you way more than a quality win helps. Just how it is.
 
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of all the detractors from my opinion in this thread, this is the one I could possibly agree with. I think if you are going P5, best to stick with a mediocre P5 program. Iowa and MSU when we caught them about 5-6 years ago was good, name programs that were decent but far from "unbeatable". We caught Iowa on the wrong year 2 years ago. Same thing with Nebraska in '04, real good "name" program that wasn't a power house at the time. that was the game with Walt where we were driving at end of game to tie but fell short. My boy Strong had a sick catch.

yeah, Palko wasn't quite in a groove yet. And it was the 1st year of that great hire for Pederson at Nebraska who I can't remember now. Very winnable game and if Palko had one more warm up game before playing them probably would have won.

I also remember about that game it was the day after Hurricane Ivan I believe when Millvale (along with others) were absolutely crushed by flooding. And then idiot Smizik made some kind of remark about the bad attendance for a name opponent, but as I pointed out in an earlier thread had no problems with the Pirates playing to less than a full house against the cards in a key late September game.
 
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yeah, Palko wasn't quite in a groove yet. And it was the 1st year of that great hire for Pederson at Nebraska who I can't remember now. Very winnable game and if Palko had one more warm up game before playing them probably would have won.

I also remember about that game it was the day after Hurricane Ivan I believe when Millvale (along with others) were absolutely crushed by flooding. And then idiot Smizik made some kind of remark about the bad attendance for a name opponent, but as I pointed out in an earlier thread had no problems with the Pirates playing to less than a full house against the cards in a key late September game.
I lived in Carnegie, which was basically wiped out from that storm. I was in my basement playing college football all night, oblivious to anything. Next morning, hot as hell day and the damn point was covered, every 3 minutes a dock with 6 boats attached would come floating down the river. Nice boats too. Some pics of that flood:

 
You have to beat the best, to be the best.
this is what kind of annoys me about Steel Curtain and the other guys. They've given up hope on beating good teams and their primary objective here is to try and make an average team look good, thru smoke and mirrors. That's all this is, this schedule cupcake philosophy. It's basically getting a better record and hope people don't look too closely to the product.

Kind of a pathetic mindset to me. They want to "trick" people into thinking pitt's good when they aren't. How about just proving it? I mean if we are good then we will win some of these games and if we are not, then so be it. Whats the point of being a below avg team but hopefully tricking fans to believing we don't suck as much as we do.. I just don't undertand that.
 
this is what kind of annoys me about Steel Curtain and the other guys. They've given up hope on beating good teams and their primary objective here is to try and make an average team look good, thru smoke and mirrors. That's all this is, this schedule cupcake philosophy. It's basically getting a better record and hope people don't look too closely to the product.

Kind of a pathetic mindset to me. They want to "trick" people into thinking pitt's good when they aren't. How about just proving it? I mean if we are good then we will win some of these games and if we are not, then so be it. Whats the point of being a below avg team but hopefully tricking fans to believing we don't suck as much as we do.. I just don't undertand that.

You're wrong! It's a GREAT IDEA to trick people into thinking you're better than you are!

If we're 7-2 ranked #22, instead of 5-4 unranked, maybe more people show up week 10, impressing more recruits, making those recruits think "these guys are good", when they really aren't, yeah, TRICK the better recruits into thinking you are better, more fans come (they don't remember who you beat) then the good recruits come and you end up really being better....or go 8-5 again to prove your manhood.

Perception is reality, it's marketing too.
 
I'm not sure what you are watching on Saturdays but that's how college football works. Until they have a stated formula that everyone can schedule accordingly to determine the playoffs; it's all smoke and mirror, and opinions, and cupcake schedules for most. Pitt needs to use the system to their advantage until someone fixes it.

Honestly, the current system is only slightly less of a fraud than the BCS was.

this is what kind of annoys me about Steel Curtain and the other guys. They've given up hope on beating good teams and their primary objective here is to try and make an average team look good, thru smoke and mirrors. That's all this is, this schedule cupcake philosophy. It's basically getting a better record and hope people don't look too closely to the product.

Kind of a pathetic mindset to me. They want to "trick" people into thinking pitt's good when they aren't. How about just proving it? I mean if we are good then we will win some of these games and if we are not, then so be it. Whats the point of being a below avg team but hopefully tricking fans to believing we don't suck as much as we do.. I just don't undertand that.
 
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Alabama played Western Kentucky, Kent State and Chattanooga

Clemson played Troy and SC State
 
Getting more WINS and being RANKED .... no matter who you beat.... will attract more fans and more recruits than losing a few close games to tougher teams, all people remember in the end is Ws, not "GOOD" Ls. Then you can really improve.
 
I lived in Carnegie, which was basically wiped out from that storm. I was in my basement playing college football all night, oblivious to anything. Next morning, hot as hell day and the damn point was covered, every 3 minutes a dock with 6 boats attached would come floating down the river. Nice boats too. Some pics of that flood:

in Johnstown we'd call that a puddle from some drizzle.......
 
You're wrong! It's a GREAT IDEA to trick people into thinking you're better than you are!

If we're 7-2 ranked #22, instead of 5-4 unranked, maybe more people show up week 10, impressing more recruits, making those recruits think "these guys are good", when they really aren't, yeah, TRICK the better recruits into thinking you are better, more fans come (they don't remember who you beat) then the good recruits come and you end up really being better....or go 8-5 again to prove your manhood.

Perception is reality, it's marketing too.

the scroll on most TV/online scoreboards start with the Top 25. So right off the bat if you aren't in the Top 25 you are slighted. Rankings matter in the beauty pageant that is college football.
 
this is what kind of annoys me about Steel Curtain and the other guys. They've given up hope on beating good teams and their primary objective here is to try and make an average team look good, thru smoke and mirrors. That's all this is, this schedule cupcake philosophy. It's basically getting a better record and hope people don't look too closely to the product.

Kind of a pathetic mindset to me. They want to "trick" people into thinking pitt's good when they aren't. How about just proving it? I mean if we are good then we will win some of these games and if we are not, then so be it. Whats the point of being a below avg team but hopefully tricking fans to believing we don't suck as much as we do.. I just don't undertand that.
I used to think like you, but since (1) all the others do it and (2) Pitt administration won't back the challenge of a tough schedule with investment in great coaches (up and down the line) and juice for recruiting ... then I now say, F that.

You do need to seek at least one of our traditional 'rivals' every other year, somehow someway, for the occasional big gate at the risk of losing that game. But otherwise even the best OOC team coming here without that blue blood status (OK ST being a great example) will hardly draw better than a MAC opponent right now (all other things equal). So again, F it with the tough schedules. Win as much as you can and build a bigger following, try to sneak into the playoff picture on occasion, put the extra juice into the program and keep improving it ... and maybe down the line you can safely add tougher OOC opponents ... when you're finally in position to have a shot to beat em.

Until then ... make it PSU, ND, or WVU and three cupcakes. But make damn sure you BEAT those cupcakes.
 
Two years in a row now that somewhere had us ranked as the toughest schedule in America at one point.
 
the scroll on most TV/online scoreboards start with the Top 25. So right off the bat if you aren't in the Top 25 you are slighted. Rankings matter in the beauty pageant that is college football.
And on every internet site too! Like ESPN, SI etc. You go to "scores", right in your face is "Top 25", and if your team isn't on that list you need to open the drop down list and click on your conference to find your team listed. If you're on the Top 25 list, 95% of fans and recruits don't know if you're 8-2 because you beat Arkansas and Georgia or Arkansas State and Georgia State, all they know is that you're on the BIG LIST!
 
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not to change the topic here but is anyone else surprised we are #1? I mean If we are the toughest, and 50% of the OOC is cupcake central, one team being an FCS program, well that says a lot about OOC scheduling in college football as a whole.

You guys are right, "everyone is doing it" so obviously there is some merit there. I am just surprised that our OOC schedule is the toughest with it not really being all that tough.
 
Just look at basketball as a guide! LOL! All the Power 5 schools go like 10-2 in the non conference schedule, then a month later some of those are 12-10 and others are 20-2! Then look at the lower division basketball schools, a lot of the top teams in the lesser conferences travel to P5 schools and get beat up for money, and at the end of their preseason they are 4-8, then a month into conference play they are headed for their conference automatic bid and are sitting at 13-9 overall.
 
Just look at basketball as a guide! LOL! All the Power 5 schools go like 10-2 in the non conference schedule, then a month later some of those are 12-10 and others are 20-2! Then look at the lower division basketball schools, a lot of the top teams in the lesser conferences travel to P5 schools and get beat up for money, and at the end of their preseason they are 4-8, then a month into conference play they are headed for their conference automatic bid and are sitting at 13-9 overall.
I noticed that when pitt was playing BC a few nights ago. They had the records of both teams and just by the look of it, you'd think it was two good teams playing.
 
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