Explain PSU over OSU again

[Sean Miller Fan]

Same records basically. PSU 11-2, OSU 10-2

Both lost to Oregon

OSU has the head to head AT Penn State, which is a huge win.

OSU beat Indiana. PSU beat Illinois.

Rest of the schedules were junk.

OSU does have the worse loss but is that enough to offset the head to head win and IU win....and Vegas metrics which show that OSU is considerably better?

This isnt fair to Oregon either as they are the #1 seed but are a 2.5 point underdog to a team that many feel is the best in the nation. They probably would have been better off losing to Penn State and getting the 5 seed.

 

[Pittisit4me]

The seeding in this 12 team tournament is a joke. There is no way that Oregon and the OSU should be playing in a quarterfinal. Oregon really got the shaft for being unbeaten. Years ago as the only unbeaten, they would have been voted the unanimous #1. Now, they will have to beat the OSU, then likely Texas, and then Georgia or the pedophiles in the title game. That is some serious shaft.

 

[Pittisit4me]

The peds got the best draw and their best win is maybe USC. Perhaps conference championship games should be done away with. I don't know what the answer is, but, the peds don't deserve their draw considering they don't have a good win on their entire resume.

 

[USN_Panther]

The committee decided not to punish the losers of conference championship games.
What they need to do is place conference members all on the same side of the bracket. SEC +ACC + some other G5s on one side and Big 10 + Middle 12 + some other G5s on the other. Conference champs plus wildcards with actual criteria to be a wildcard.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

That is some serious shaft.

Be careful. You are going to excite the Pedo lurkers.

 

[TD_6082]

Same records basically. PSU 11-2, OSU 10-2

Both lost to Oregon

OSU has the head to head AT Penn State, which is a huge win.

OSU beat Indiana. PSU beat Illinois.

Rest of the schedules were junk.

OSU does have the worse loss but is that enough to offset the head to head win and IU win....and Vegas metrics which show that OSU is considerably better?

This isnt fair to Oregon either as they are the #1 seed but are a 2.5 point underdog to a team that many feel is the best in the nation. They probably would have been better off losing to Penn State and getting the 5 seed.

tOSU lost to a 6-5 team at home

PSU wasn't penalized for a loss to Oregon in the B1G Championship game.

1 winner & 11 losers in a 12 team playoff. No use crying about the bracket.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

tOSU lost to a 6-5 team at home

In trying to figure out which team is better, is OSU losing to Michigan really more significant than OSU beating the other team in this discussion at their place?

 

[USN_Panther]

In trying to figure out which team is better, is OSU losing to Michigan really more significant than OSU beating the other team in this discussion at their place?

PSU finished second in the conference. OSU was fourth.

 

[TD_6082]

In trying to figure out which team is better, is OSU losing to Michigan really more significant than OSU beating the other team in this discussion at their place?

Yes. Much more significant.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

Yes. Much more significant.

PSU and OSU played. OSU won that game. If you are trying to figure out which team is better, how is watching the 2 teams play each other less significant than one of the teams playing a rivalry game against a team that the other team doesn't play?

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

PSU finished second in the conference. OSU was fourth.

Should IU have been seeded ahead of OSU then. They finished tied with PSU for 2nd and had no bad losses like OSU did? And their record was better.

 

[TD_6082]

PSU and OSU played. OSU won that game. If you are trying to figure out which team is better, how is watching the 2 teams play each other less significant than one of the teams playing a rivalry game against a team that the other team doesn't play?

Head to head isn't the end all be all you make it out to be.

If you only want best teams without consideration of overall body of work, just put Ole Miss in ahead of SMU. Thankfully, it doesn't work that way

 

[USN_Panther]

Should IU have been seeded ahead of OSU then. They finished tied with PSU for 2nd and had no bad losses like OSU did? And their record was better.

No.
I just hope that PSU and OSU both get walloped.

 

[Steeltheone]

tOSU lost to a 6-5 team at home

PSU wasn't penalized for a loss to Oregon in the B1G Championship game.

1 winner & 11 losers in a 12 team playoff. No use crying about the bracket.t

tOSU lost to a 6-5 team at home

PSU wasn't penalized for a loss to Oregon in the B1G Championship game.

1 winner & 11 losers in a 12 team playoff. No use crying about the bracket.

tOSU had Oregon beat. That Centre County team never had a chance in their game against Oregon. That Centre County team did not score a single touchdown against tOSU. The Centre county teams best resume builder is keeping their losses close on the score board. They were never really close to winning either game.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

Head to head isn't the end all be all you make it out to be.

If you only want best teams without consideration of overall body of work, just put Ole Miss in ahead of SMU. Thankfully, it doesn't work that way

When trying to figure out which team is better, what is a better way than watching the 2 teams in question play each other?

 

[USN_Panther]

When trying to figure out which team is better, what is a better way than watching the 2 teams in question play each other?

So why is Oregon playing Ohio State again? Isn't the result already determined? Give Oregon another bye.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

The committee decided not to punish the losers of conference championship games.

Rankings going into PSU/Ore

4 PSU
5 ND
6 OSU

Would it really have been a punishment to rank them 4 ND, 5 OSU, 6 PSU after?

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

So why is Oregon playing Ohio State again? Isn't the result already determined? Give Oregon another bye.

Because 12 teams have to play-off to determine a champion. Also, Oregon won an extremely close game at home. OSU is better on a neutral field. Doesn't mean OSU will win but they have the better team. Ranking them below PSU, a team they beat in PedoLand is just stupid. PSU got a bye to the semis and has a legit chance to make the final. Pick 'em game vs ND or QB-less UGa

 

[USN_Panther]

Because 12 teams have to play-off to determine a champion. Also, Oregon won an extremely close game at home. OSU is better on a neutral field. Doesn't mean OSU will win but they have the better team. Ranking them below PSU, a team they beat in PedoLand is just stupid. PSU got a bye to the semis and has a legit chance to make the final. Pick 'em game vs ND or QB-less UGa

Got it. Head to head only applies when Ohio State wins, not when they lose.
I have a big rooting interest since I portaled to Oregon yesterday.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

Got it. Head to head only applies when Ohio State wins, not when they lose.
I have a big rooting interest since I portaled to Oregon yesterday.

I would rank Oregon over OSU based on head to head

 

[csh2088]

Head to head isn't the end all be all you make it out to be.

If you only want best teams without consideration of overall body of work, just put Ole Miss in ahead of SMU. Thankfully, it doesn't work that way

Navy beat Oklahoma
Oklahoma beat Alabama
Alabama beat Georgia
Georgia beat Texas twice

Navy should be the overall #1 seed.

 

[Pittisit4me]

So why is Oregon playing Ohio State again? Isn't the result already determined? Give Oregon another bye.

If they were seeded correctly they would not be playing again, except possibly the title game.

 

[Burgh15]

I agree Ohio State should be above Penn State, but whatever. The brackets should've been arranged so that Oregon vs. Ohio State was a potential finals matchup. On paper the two best teams this season.

 

[Pittisit4me]

Honestly, if they want to go on with this 12 team CFP money grabbing scam, they really need to eliminate conference championship games. They become disincentivized. Despite SMU getting smashed by the peds they were the only ACC team that deserved a bid. We will soon find out if Arizona state deserved a bye. This whole thing has become a mess. Oregon should have the pedophiles draw. They had the best year, they deserve the best draw, not very possibly the most talented team in this in their first game.

 

[Pittisit4me]

I agree Ohio State should be above Penn State, but whatever. The brackets should've been arranged so that Oregon vs. Ohio State was a potential finals matchup. On paper the two best teams this season.

This is correct. They should be on opposite sides of the bracket and could only meet in the final.

 

[Pittisit4me]

In the meantime, LETS GO BOISE STATE!!!

 

[TD_6082]

When trying to figure out which team is better, what is a better way than watching the 2 teams in question play each other?

They weren't trying to figure out which team was better. They were trying to seed the teams based on their overall body of work tOSU has a really inconvenient loss to a mediocre 6-5 that they couldn't just sweep under the rug and pretend it didn't happen.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

Navy beat Oklahoma
Oklahoma beat Alabama
Alabama beat Georgia
Georgia beat Texas twice

Navy should be the overall #1 seed.

Too many. How about 2 teams with the same record. One team beat the other on their home field AND also has the best win, if we dont count that game. Seems pretty straight-forward.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

Honestly, if they want to go on with this 12 team CFP money grabbing scam, they really need to eliminate conference championship games. They become disincentivized. Despite SMU getting smashed by the peds they were the only ACC team that deserved a bid. We will soon find out if Arizona state deserved a bye. This whole thing has become a mess. Oregon should have the pedophiles draw. They had the best year, they deserve the best draw, not very possibly the most talented team in this in their first game.

As much as I'd like the ACC or potentially an ACC-winning Pitt team to get a bye, it should only be the Top 4 teams. Guarantee the 4 best conference champs a top 8 seed, meaning home playoff game. That also doesn't penalize a 1 seed like Oregon, who has to play a Quarterfinal against the #6 ranked team, who only isnt the #1 team because you beat them close and they lost a rivalry game.

Would have been

1. Oregon
2. UGa
3. Texas
4. PSU
5. ND
6. OSU
7. Boise
8. ASU
9. Ten
10. IU
11. SMU
12. Clem

Clem at ND then vs PSU in Fiesta
SMU at OSU then vs Texas in Peach
IU at Boise then vs UGa in Sugar
Ten at ASU then vs Oregon in Rose

Also, why is UGa not playing close to campus in Atlanta. Why make them travel 3 states over where ND will have an equal crowd?

 

[TD_6082]

As much as I'd like the ACC or potentially an ACC-winning Pitt team to get a bye, it should only be the Top 4 teams. Guarantee the 4 best conference champs a top 8 seed, meaning home playoff game. That also doesn't penalize a 1 seed like Oregon, who has to play a Quarterfinal against the #6 ranked team, who only isnt the #1 team because you beat them close and they lost a rivalry game.

Would have been

1. Oregon
2. UGa
3. Texas
4. PSU
5. ND
6. OSU
7. Boise
8. ASU
9. Ten
10. IU
11. SMU
12. Clem

Clem at ND then vs PSU in Fiesta
SMU at OSU then vs Texas in Peach
IU at Boise then vs UGa in Sugar
Ten at ASU then vs Oregon in Rose

Also, why is UGa not playing close to campus in Atlanta. Why make them travel 3 states over where ND will have an equal crowd?

The ACC & Big 12 negotiatited the byes. I think it's likely those disappear soon. It's probably going to really hard to get more than one ACC & Big 12 team in going forward.

 

[HailToPitt725]

It’s very similar to 2016 where Ohio State lost to Penn State but made the CFP over them.

The committee rewarded Penn State for having the better record (discounting the Big Ten championship loss), not Ohio State for winning the H2H matchup. And honestly, I’m OK with that.

 

[Upg bobcat]

I think the committee determined their top 12 teams, and their order of ranking of those teams, before the conference championship games. PSU was 11-1, but OSU was 10-2. Thus, PSU got a higher ranking than OSU. From there, in the committee's eyes, the conference championship games could only have a positive impact, not negative. For that reason, PSU, Texas, and SMU lost but were not really punished (e.g., Texas still considered a top 3 overall team but had to be 5 seed by virtue of conference champs getting top 4 seeds; SMU still ahead of Alabama, Ole Miss, and Miami and in the tournament despite losing to Clemson, etc.).

 

[pittdan77]

I think the only real question is how many more PSU threads will @Sean Miller Fan start in the first two weeks of the year.

 

[upj87]

tOSU lost to a 6-5 team at home

PSU wasn't penalized for a loss to Oregon in the B1G Championship game.

1 winner & 11 losers in a 12 team playoff. No use crying about the bracket.

PSU wasn't penalized for a loss to Oregon in the B1G Championship game.... that does not explain how they were ranked higher in the same field than the team that beat them (at home) head to head...An entry into a conference championship game in the current unbalanced formats of these leagues should hold less sway...

Rank these three hypothetical teams 1, 2, 3.

Team A.... 1-1 against Teams B and C. W vs B on the road. L vs C on the road. Has one other loss to bitter rival.
Team B.... 0-2 against Teams A (at home) and C (nuetral). Has no other losses.
Team C.... 2-0 against Teams A and B. Has no other losses.

The main question is why is a team that is 0-2 against the field of 12 going in ranked 6th in said field?

 

[Pitt2009]

No worries, it’s gonna be more fun watching a G5 beat Penn State anyway.

 

[Upg bobcat]

PSU wasn't penalized for a loss to Oregon in the B1G Championship game.... that does not explain how they were ranked higher in the same field than the team that beat them (at home) head to head...An entry into a conference championship game in the current unbalanced formats of these leagues should hold less sway...

Rank these three hypothetical teams 1, 2, 3.

Team A.... 1-1 against Teams B and C. W vs B on the road. L vs C on the road. Has one other loss to bitter rival.
Team B.... 0-2 against Teams A (at home) and C (nuetral). Has no other losses.
Team C.... 2-0 against Teams A and B. Has no other losses.

The main question is why is a team that is 0-2 against the field of 12 going in ranked 6th in said field?

It's pretty simple. PSU was ranked higher because they had more wins. PSU had 11. OSU had only 10.

Although Team B was 0-2 against Teams A and C, it had more wins than team A. Hypothetically, the computers say that Team A would have actually been 1-2 if it played the same extra game as Team B, because it would predict a loss to team C again. But Team A didn't even earn the right to have that extra game because it had two in-conference regular season losses. Team B only had 1.

 

[ChiefJusticeMarshall]

Penn State has the easiest path to the Championship Game. They drew SMU at home, the winner facing Boise. Then the winner faces the winner of the ND/Georgia game, Georgia without their starting QB, You can make an argument PSU is better than ND.

I was thinking about this, winning your conference tourney doesn't guarantee a 1 seed for a P4 conference team. They rank based on metrics. These CFB playoffs are going to have to go there. I mean Arizona State and Boise got byes. Really??

 

[TheWerewolfFromTwilight]

This is simple.

11-1 Penn State was ranked ahead of 10-2 Ohio State.

The regular season ended.

The conference championships are viewed simply as a bonus round. As they should be: you can't punish a team for succeeding. Only possible exceptions would be getting blown out, but Penn State mostly hung with Oregon so that was that.

As for the seeding, well, the loser of the 14-2 Lions vs the 14-2 Vikings next week is going to be a wildcard. Preferential treatment to division winners is nothing new.

 

[Pitt2009]

Penn State has the easiest path to the Championship Game. They drew SMU at home, the winner facing Boise. Then the winner faces the winner of the ND/Georgia game, Georgia without their starting QB, You can make an argument PSU is better than ND.

I was thinking about this, winning your conference tourney doesn't guarantee a 1 seed for a P4 conference team. They rank based on metrics. These CFB playoffs are going to have to go there. I mean Arizona State and Boise got byes. Really??

They are already talking about removing byes for conference winners. In which case the ACC will rarely get a bye. It will help if Boise State and Arizona State play competitive games.

Never know, anytime Jeanty and Skattebo are on the field you have a chance to win.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

No worries, it’s gonna be more fun watching a G5 beat Penn State anyway.

Franklin is 84-0 as a favorite....or something like that