Fede Fedolajuwon

[TheWerewolfFromTwilight]

Another big game today for the one who would've led Pitt to the promised land.

1 rebound and 2 points. They barely let him play when their season is on the line. It's almost as if...

 

[Fk_Pitt]

Another big game today for the one who would've led Pitt to the promised land.

1 rebound and 2 points. They barely let him play when their season is on the line. It's almost as if...

Honest to God, I’m not lying…my Dad texted me an hour ago and said “Federico Federico is a star at Texas Tech”. It must be the first time he’s seen him play this year. My Dad is 84 and slipping a little.

 

[PittMan2003]

Yeah I remember last years final four run with Fede so fondly…Oh wait we didn’t even make the tournament and had a generational talent in Blake and first round draft pick in bub and solid pieces around them.

The Fede mafia is crazy on here. I like the kid but the hype is insane.

 

[KennyTheKangaroo]

He still sets a good moving pick

 

[TheWerewolfFromTwilight]

9 minutes in the round of 64. 8 minutes today. So is this some sort of team-building thing where you try to win in the absence of your cheat code, or are they just keeping him fresh for the Final Four?

 

[Zeldas Open Roof]

It’s almost as if Capel can’t recruit or develop post players and just wants 6’9” guys to shoot 3s.

 

[King Of All Message Boards]

9 minutes in the round of 64. 8 minutes today. So is this some sort of team-building thing where you try to win in the absence of your cheat code, or are they just keeping him fresh for the Final Four?

Does that new JUCO rule impact him? He may have another year.

If so, maybe because the tournament is so high profile so they’re hiding him so nobody comes with a huge NIL offer.

 

[PittMan2003]

It’s almost as if Capel can’t recruit or develop post players and just wants 6’9” guys to shoot 3s.

He definitely cannot develop big men.

 

[TheWerewolfFromTwilight]

Does that new JUCO rule impact him? He may have another year.

If so, maybe because the tournament is so high profile so they’re hiding him so nobody comes with a huge NIL offer.

The goal must be to keep him at under 5 minutes per "Fede."

 

[PittMan2003]

The goal must be to keep him at under 5 minutes per "Fede."

The fede mafia would say that he is still impacting the game from the bench and we just need advanced metrics to understand his true impact.

 

[Tvax1]

no matter what Fede was or wasn't, Corhen wasn't the answer in talent and otherwise

Fede leaving didn't help whatsoever, the twins staying and GDG changing roles didn't help

Lowe, Ish, Brandin could not bear much of the load that was required of them in the offense Capel uses and losing Dunn being the key to that failure is just a JC excuse as he alone wasn't going to make up the difference


watching a lot of BB in season and now post-season, there's a ton of teams that shoot far better and even more impactful is that a ton of teams have players that can dribble and create far better at nearly every position on the floor.......Pitt has ONE of those guys, Lowe, who can't defend ANYONE and was inconsistent with finishing especially against good physical defenders

Ish is good overall but not very good or anywhere near elite
Dunn was good but about the same yet could defend a bit better with his size
Beebah was good but not very good and can't defend
Zack can't dribble whatsoever
Twins are too slow and can't dribble to create anything
Amsal is slow even if less so than the twins but not quite able to create and appeared to never defend at least early on
Corhen provides nothing on the defensive side other than being able to defend smaller guys which is far from what is more important at the #5

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

He definitely cannot develop big men.

Or little men.

Or medium sized men.

 

[Franb]

Or little men.

Or medium sized men.

I don’t know anything about either of their development, but Hinson and Champagnie certainly left Pitt as much better players than when they arrived.

 

[Pitt666]

It is clear they were holding him back for fear of injury. Yesterday was in the bag. They want him fully healthy for Florida. We know how he helped Pitt last year against Florida’s interior game.

 

[thebadby2]

Yeah I remember last years final four run with Fede so fondly…Oh wait we didn’t even make the tournament and had a generational talent in Blake and first round draft pick in bub and solid pieces around them.

The Fede mafia is crazy on here. I like the kid but the hype is insane.

Generational talent?????? He’s an undrafted G leaguer for chrissakes.

College basketball is full of 18 ppg scorers every year bro. This year there were at least 70 of them.

 

[thebadby2]

He definitely cannot develop big men.

Last time I checked he’s not doing so great with small or medium sized men either.

 

[PittMan2003]

Generational talent?????? He’s an undrafted G leaguer for chrissakes.

College basketball is full of 18 ppg scorers every year bro. This year there were at least 70 of them.

For Pitt he was a generational talent…Not college basketball overall. He was a Very good college basketball player, but it may not translate to nba. It happens.

 

[PittMan2003]

Last time I checked he’s not doing so great with small or medium sized men either.

Some players have gotten better. Champagne, Hinson, and zach Austin are some examples. Not many overall though…

 

[thebadby2]

Some players have gotten better. Champagne, Hinson, and zach Austin are some examples. Not many overall though…

I don't think there's any other way to look at his player development as a net failure. How many of these relatively highly rated guards have panned out? What about the big men?

one or two guys in 7 years, if he even deserves credit for them, doesn't cut it. Just about any D1 program can match that.

I would extend that failure to talent identification/acquisition, roster building, coaching philosophy, motivation and gameday coaching.

Other than that, I'd say he's killing it at Pitt.

 

[TheWerewolfFromTwilight]

I don't think there's any other way to look at his player development as a net failure. How many of these relatively highly rated guards have panned out? What about the big men?

one or two guys in 7 years, if he even deserves credit for them, doesn't cut it. Just about any D1 program can match that.

I would extend that failure to talent identification/acquisition, roster building, coaching philosophy, motivation and gameday coaching.

Other than that, I'd say he's killing it at Pitt.

Exactly nobody would have signed up for 114-107 and one tournament appearance in 7 years when we hired Capel. Somehow, however, he has been able to get two handsome extensions out of this university in spite of that trail of mediocrity. Sometimes, you just can't make this stuff up.

Every time his tenure seems destined for the boneyard, he shows a little bit of life and we bust out the checkbook. It's been a pretty crazy shakedown with impeccable timing, honestly. For the sake of comedy, I almost hope he pulls another ace out of his sleeve and we extend him again.

 

[Guyasuta Genac]

Nice work on the thread title, OP

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

Nobody said he was Hakeem. I thought he would have been a significant upgrade over Corhen. Do people not agree?

 

[TheWerewolfFromTwilight]

Nobody said he was Hakeem. I thought he would have been a significant upgrade over Corhen. Do people not agree?

No, I don't. He's a coping mechanism people are using so they don't have to accept how far away this team truly is. Not much different from the Branson Taylor injury in football.

Cam Corhen isn't very good, but no one ever wants to talk about the other side of it.

We beat Syracuse and UNC back to back in some pretty close games. He had 7 rebounds and 12 points against Syracuse. He had 5 rebounds and 14 points against UNC.

Like, I guess that's pretty good, right, since everybody longs for Fede and his 4.4 rebounds per game?

Then you have some wins like Miami (8 rebounds, 17 points), Cal (11 rebounds, 19 points), etc.

And yeah - rim protection, which Corhen sucks at, is part of it. I get it.

Honestly, they're both just underwhelming bigs who are limited in what they can do. I think it's asinine to suggest this team would have won 6+ more games with Fede. If he played Corhen's minutes, he'd be pulling down a whopping one more rebound per game, for instance.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

No, I don't. He's a coping mechanism people are using so they don't have to accept how far away this team truly is. Not much different from the Branson Taylor injury in football.

Cam Corhen isn't very good, but no one ever wants to talk about the other side of it.

We beat Syracuse and UNC back to back in some pretty close games. He had 7 rebounds and 12 points against Syracuse. He had 5 rebounds and 14 points against UNC.

Like, I guess that's pretty good, right, since everybody longs for Fede and his 4.4 rebounds per game?

Then you have some wins like Miami (8 rebounds, 17 points), Cal (11 rebounds, 19 points), etc.

And yeah - rim protection, which Corhen sucks at, is part of it. I get it.

Honestly, they're both just underwhelming bigs who are limited in what they can do. I think it's asinine to suggest this team would have won 6+ more games with Fede. If he played Corhen's minutes, he'd be pulling down a whopping one more rebound per game, for instance.

I think the rim protection or lack thereof was huge. We couldn't keep guards out of the lane so we had to help off shooters which lead to easy 3s. With Fede, maybe you tell the team, no help, make them finish over Fede for 2 instead of giving them wide open 3s from slow rotations.

 

[Tvax1]

I think we win 2-3 more with Fede, no more unless GDG fitting at the 5 is as good as some say his fit at the #4 was NOT

I agree with that GDG problem at #4 but then we really need Dunn to not get injured

 

[TheWerewolfFromTwilight]

I think we win 2-3 more with Fede, no more unless GDG fitting at the 5 is as good as some say his fit at the #4 was NOT

I agree with that GDG problem at #4 but then we really need Dunn to not get injured

Realistically, we probably win a few we would have lost and vice versa. Even if 2-3 would have been the net gain, we wouldn't have been very good. I just think the problems were so much deeper than just the 5.

 

[Tvax1]

Capel's offense is Pitt's biggest problem.....and good but not great players to overcome him

Pitt defense needs better athletes and mindset that only Ish, Dunn and Zack had and Ish was limited physically, and really Zack didn't defend in front of his man great

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

Generational talent?????? He’s an undrafted G leaguer for chrissakes.

College basketball is full of 18 ppg scorers every year bro. This year there were at least 70 of them.

Fun fact, Blake Hinson currently leads the G League in three point field goals made.

Not that that goes against your point. I was just looking at his stats and found that, well, fun.

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

Realistically, we probably win a few we would have lost and vice versa. Even if 2-3 would have been the net gain, we wouldn't have been very good. I just think the problems were so much deeper than just the 5.

People (and really, it was just one person) who think that a guy like Federiko brings six more wins in a season are people who do not understand basketball.

At all.

Real life Fede Federiko was worth 2.7 win shares this year. Last year it was 2.4. By way of comparison, this season Cam Corhen was worth 3.1. Maxime Raynaud of Stanford, a guy that Federiko could only dream about being as good as, was at 5.0.

 

[Tvax1]

Federiko Federiko#33

MIN	FG	3PT	FT	OREB	DREB	REB	AST	STL	BLK	TO	PF	PTS
13	3-3	0-0	1-2	7	2	9	0	0	0	0	1	7

9 rebounds including 7 offensive in 13 minutes, did you see that JEFF CAPEL!!!!?

your POS Cam in the same role gets maybe 2 total and 1 or most likely ZERO offensive

 

[PittPharm2002]

On the other hand - Fede is still playing .
Cam isn’t

Fede would have been a better fit for this team , because defense and rebounding in the post was bad

 

[KennyHeisman8]

Another big game today for the one who would've led Pitt to the promised land.

1 rebound and 2 points. They barely let him play when their season is on the line. It's almost as if...

This aged well.

Pitt would have been either in the field or right on the bubble with him instead of Corhen.

 

[Tvax1]

This aged well.

Pitt would have been either in the field or right on the bubble with him instead of Corhen.

not sure about that as we still have Capel to overcome

the fact he's looking like Corhen is staying is damning.....as if we need more damning displayed by him

I almost wish Heather were around to feel the heat too rather than just us fans experiencing the nausea of Jeff for a couple more years

 

[KennyHeisman8]

not sure about that as we still have Capel to overcome

the fact he's looking like Corhen is staying is damning.....as if we need more damning displayed by him

I almost wish Heather were around to feel the heat too rather than just us fans experiencing the nausea of Jeff for a couple more years

There have been whispers that pushing out fede was as much the collective or even more than capel.

Not sure though as the corhen decision seems absurd.

 

[TheWerewolfFromTwilight]

This aged well.

Pitt would have been either in the field or right on the bubble with him instead of Corhen.

Lol. If you think Fede is worth 6-7 extra wins (and it's probably more than that, as Corhen was our most valuable player in a few wins), you're an idiot. But I didn't need any more validation in this case.

 

[Tvax1]

Lol. If you think Fede is worth 6-7 extra wins (and it's probably more than that, as Corhen was our most valuable player in a few wins), you're an idiot. But I didn't need any more validation in this case.

I think 6-7 is excessive and hard to justify with any comparative stats but it's some factor and the overall fit effect of a disastrously bad defensive and rebounding Cam v a very effective FF in those areas wins a few as opposed to losing a few

and not out of the question it flips 3 so nets +6, of course might do nothing in net too

I'd take him back over Corhen, you? who's going to cost more at this point? who cost more last year?

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

Lol. If you think Fede is worth 6-7 extra wins (and it's probably more than that, as Corhen was our most valuable player in a few wins), you're an idiot. But I didn't need any more validation in this case.

Confidence is big in college basketball. Teams go on streaks. I think Fede is worth a couple wins and Confidence built by that is worth several more.

The fact of the matter is that Corhen was very possibly the absolute worst rebounding/rim protecting Big in the P5. If you replace that with even an average one like Fede, it's possible that we could have made the NCAA Tournament. This was a terrible roster decision by Capel and it appears he wants Corhen back again. You cant win in college basketball with an "offense only" center who is just average at that offensive part.

 

[JohnnyGossamer]

It's criminal Tech doesn't start him and play him Toppin minutes. Like in OT, Fede was such a force... Oh, wait. They leaned on Toppin and Williams. Their stars. Pitt needs Toppin and Williams. I'll take a Fede as a 7th or 8th guy on the bench like Tech has though.

 

[Tvax1]

It's criminal Tech doesn't start him and play him Toppin minutes. Like in OT, Fede was such a force... Oh, wait. They leaned on Toppin and Williams. Their stars. Pitt needs Toppin and Williams. I'll take a Fede as a 7th or 8th guy on the bench like Tech has though.

where would Corhen be on that TT team? 9th or 10th

 

[TheWerewolfFromTwilight]

Confidence is big in college basketball. Teams go on streaks. I think Fede is worth a couple wins and Confidence built by that is worth several more.

The fact of the matter is that Corhen was very possibly the absolute worst rebounding/rim protecting Big in the P5. If you replace that with even an average one like Fede, it's possible that we could have made the NCAA Tournament. This was a terrible roster decision by Capel and it appears he wants Corhen back again. You cant win in college basketball with an "offense only" center who is just average at that offensive part.

Their rebounds per minute are very similar. Fede would get one more rebound per game if he played Corhen minutes. Corhen, while he sucks, grades out more favorably overall.