closer to 2 rebounds per game which is 33% but that's the actual math
far better rim defender and far better rebounder, equal finishing lobs and putbacks, neither good at FT's with Fede worse there
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far better rim defender and far better rebounder, equal finishing lobs and putbacks, neither good at FT's with Fede worse there
Yes, the actual number is 1.69. This changes everything. We'd have made the Final Four.
Not 6-7, but given that one of biggest reasons we lost games was second chance points, is it really a stretch to say it turns 3-4 games?
That maybe doesn’t get us in, but we would be right on the cusp
feel free to ignore the other massive difference rim defending with guys in front like Lowe and Beebah and even Zack and of course GDG who can't stay in front of anyone
no FF with him and yet we are rebuilding with Cam again? I'm excited for that, you too? especially with Beebah back and possibly Lowe
Sure, but how many second chance rebounds did he get after botching the first or second shot lol.
I don’t have the rebound percentage numbers but my understanding is both Gdg and Fede blow corhen out of the water
We wouldn't have even been close at 20-12. We finished with a NET of 61. 27-8 Louisville (NET 24) was a 9-seed.
not unreasonable to have one or both UNC, Clemson, one Louisville, both ND, GaTech, and WF outcomes change
No, I've said many times that I would choose C: none of the above. Neither are very good.
Fede is a "can mostly hold his own" type of player. If he's your 5, you better have a lot of talent around him. We absolutely did not have a lot of talent this past season.
Okay, what about the Cal game? They were up by like 13 on us. Cam had 19 points and 11 rebounds. Do we win that with Fede? We beat Syracuse by 4 in a game where Cam had 12 and 7. And then he went for 14 and 5 in the game against UNC where we came back and won with a late run. And he had 17 and 8 in a Miami game we only won by 9. Are all those still wins with Fede?
Fede is like their 7th or 8th man lol. you guys are acting like he carried texas tech to the elite 8..
if he was our 3rd best option off the bench, then maybe the point is valid.
if he was our 3rd best option off the bench, then maybe the point is valid.
Louisville doesn't rebound 50% of their misses with Fede. We win that game and that sets up the season.
99% yes
Cam's offense leading to wins is and has been suspect
he was Pitt and JC's biggest flaw on the team that led to failure/s, close second was how Jaland was played and couldn't carry the load plus poor defense, 3rd was playing GDG at the 4 which hurt his marginal defense and offense, 4th was Dunn injury
do I think this marginally talented team makes the tourney with a great coach? yep
would a good coach not have had Corhen on the team? yep, but if he made that first error, would still need to react to it and reduce his minutes rather than feature him
Like I've said, Fede has become a coping mechanism for people who don't want to accept how far away this team truly was. A chaos theory does not exist where this team would have been significantly better if you swapped him for Corhen.
We didn't make the tournament with Fede + Bub, Lowe, Hinson, and Leggett. You can say we should have, but we didn't. And I'm pretty sure 1-4 were not the issues, so why was that team on the bubble?
It's like half this board has amnesia. Fede was unequivocally viewed as a weak spot on that roster. Pretty much the whole board was unanimous in the fact that we needed a huge upgrade at the 5 to absorb the losses of Bub and Hinson. You included.
Does the 22-23 team and 23-24 make the tournament (or miss by 1 game) with Corhen instead of Fede? My answer is absolutely not.
Not sure what would have happened if they replaced one mid big with a different one.
I thought the Hugley to Fede transition was more about forgetting that position altogether on the offensive side. He did have some good defensive games, though - Bacot, etc.
I don't remember him being as valuable last season. Most on this board seemed to think he regressed. Wasn't Efton Reid taking him behind the woodshed before they switched to Jeffres? I remember wishing we had someone down there who the guards could dish it to and have finish, because it seemed like Bub, Legget, and Lowe would give him good feeds and then he'd put it on the floor for no reason at all and it'd basically be a turnover.
At the end of the day, I think we were way too far away for this conversation to be anything but comical. If you told me Fede + an elite wing to replace GDG then I might take this seriously. But I think Lowe is still living off preseason hype fumes in some people's heads. He honestly isn't very good. And he was our best player, so... yeah, just not seeing it.
Bingo. Don't pass it to the 5. Don't run your offense through a mid big.
It's situational. Cam was having success early against ND, for instance.
Again, that's not me vouching for his overall game. They both suck.
Fede cant hit from the line. Tomorrow we get our answer as to how much he has improved since last year. He gets a rematch against the Florida bigs on a neutral court. Pitt lost last year.. TT came back in a game where they were 6pt favorites over a 10 seed…They also beat a 14 and 11 seed. Not exactly murderers row...tomorrow is the test. And pretty confident Fede will not play much or contribute much as there is no evidence he has gotten better when looking at common opponents year vs last.
Fede 2024-2025
11/22 vs Cuse 10 mins 1 rb 2 pts
Corhen has 11 boards and 16 pts in his two games vs Cuse
2/22 vs. WVU 23 min 6 rbs 2 pts and 0-2 from the line
Fede 2023-2024
1/16 Cuse 14 mins 7 rb 5 pts
12/30 @cuse 21 min 5 rb 6 pts
12/6 @WVU 14 min 1 rb 0 pts
Fede 2024-2025
11/22 vs Cuse 10 mins 1 rb 2 pts
Corhen has 11 boards and 16 pts in his two games vs Cuse
2/22 vs. WVU 23 min 6 rbs 2 pts and 0-2 from the line
Fede 2023-2024
1/16 Cuse 14 mins 7 rb 5 pts
12/30 @cuse 21 min 5 rb 6 pts
12/6 @WVU 14 min 1 rb 0 pts
I dont think Fede sucks. On a scale of 1 to 10, he's a 6. Corhen is a 2.
See, that's where I think the exaggerations come into play. They're a lot closer than that. Both pretty close to 5, by power conference standards, in my opinion.
the same people that think corhen is a 2, think that guillermo is a good post defender and rebounder so yeah, i immediately have to laugh at their opinions..
compared to Corhen GDG is good, both better rim defender with his length and rebounder by statistics while neither box out well
Corhen can defend better away from the basket and offensively better but obviously vastly different games there
GDG runs the court, slowly, Corhen infrequently runs and often loses the guy he's defending
maybe not 6 v 2 but 6 v 4 and with what Pitt needed this year defensively any advantage defensively was needed far more than a potential bump offensively where GDG frankly might also still be a better fit in Capel's spread offense using little off ball movement
so laugh, I guess
Pursuant to that, Corhen's defensive rebounding percentage this year was only 14.4, whereas Federiko's was a sparkling 13.5.
Wait, hold on a second. That would mean that actually on the basketball court this season, Corhen was a better defensive rebounder than Federiko was. That can't be right, SMF says that Federiko would be much better on the defensive glass.
The one thing you are right about is that we shouldn't have expected Louisville to get 39.5% of their potential offensive rebounds against us. We should have expected them to get 41.9% had we switched centers.
By the way, did you notice that in the second Louisville game that Louisville only got 10.3% of their potential offensive rebounds? It's almost like relying on a one game sample size is really, really dumb.
The fact of the matter is that the place that Federiko would have helped us more on the glass was on the offensive glass. He's actually really good at offensive rebounding, and and not nearly so good on the defensive glass.
So you’re saying you aren’t buying the opinions expressed earlier in this thread that Federiko was worth anywhere between 3-7 games this season over Corhen?
As I said earlier, the only way that someone could believe that is if they don't understand basketball at all.
I'm sure it's not contained to just Pitt fans, but man, Pitt fans sure do have a way of turning mediocre (or worse) players in all sports into some kind of gods once they are no longer here.
Well that can’t be accurate because SMF knows college basketball better than anyone. Just ask him.
what matters is what Fede is doing v what Corhen would be doing and vice versa
Corhen on TT would be sitting more and playing less because he is essentially comparably inept on defense with rebounding, rim protection, blocking out and effort
neither carries a team but Corhen's strength and advantage he provides is far less beneficial on an otherwise poor defensive team
Corhen on TT would be sitting more and playing less because he is essentially comparably inept on defense with rebounding, rim protection, blocking out and effort
neither carries a team but Corhen's strength and advantage he provides is far less beneficial on an otherwise poor defensive team
Federiko definitely fits what Tech wants to do better than Corhen does. They are a defense-minded team that wants their center to play defense/rebound first. That sure isn't Corhen. But Corhen actually fits what Capel wants to do better. Capel wants Pitt to be an offense first team. I mean he doesn't want to ignore the defensive side of the game, but it's pretty clear at this point that if he has a choice between offense and defense that he wants the better offense. And theoretically Corhen suits that style of play better.
The problem with both guys is that they are completely inept at the "other" parts of their game. Corhen is good enough on offense, but is a poor defender/rebounder. Federiko is a good defender and a decent rebounder, but he is clueless on offense. That's why Federiko played only 13 minutes for TT on Thursday in their biggest game of the season and wasn't on the court in crunch time, and why he's played 13 minutes or less in four of their five post season games. And it's why Corhen's team needed to buy a ticket to attend an NCAA tournament game.
Fede's not looking inept v Florida
anyone that thinks Corhen is anywhere the same value doesn't understand team basketball
anyone that thinks Corhen is anywhere the same value doesn't understand team basketball
Fede is playing very well tonight. Big difference maker defensively and rebounding. Have to give credit.
Which of Federiko's two rebounds do we think was the really important one?
Once again Texas Tech is trying to close out a close game, and Federiko is on the bench. Just like he was last game when they were trying to close out a lead late. Their coach must be an idiot to leave such a dominating presence on the bench when the game is being decided.
Once again Texas Tech is trying to close out a close game, and Federiko is on the bench. Just like he was last game when they were trying to close out a lead late. Their coach must be an idiot to leave such a dominating presence on the bench when the game is being decided.
I feel like I'm in the Twilight Zone. The exaggeration of every play is makes is absurd. His reputation is obviously thriving by extension of his team's success. If he had the same exact game and they lost by 30, no one would bat an eye. But it looked like they were going to win for a hot minute, so his two rebounds and two bunnies were all of a sudden HUGE.
Oh well, off to the NBA for him now.
He ended the game with four points and two rebounds in 17 minutes. Once again he wasn't on the court at the end when the game was being decided.
The cult of Fede Federiko is a weird thing to behold.
If we could mash the best of what he does with the best of what Corhen does we'd have a decent, not great, a decent player.
Fede rebounds better and also gives you another major asset, rim protection. He doesn't block every shot but Corhen doesnt block any and can't jump (pr ju
I dont know why nobody understands that Fede doesn't play a ton because he's on a Top 10 team playing behind 2 elite forwards/centers.
Well some of us know that he’s nothing more than a role player at a P4 level. If you want that P4 team to be any good of course.
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