For the record...TCU
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Glad Indiana didn’t make it & Belmont did.
Belmont got lucky as the best mid major bubble team to get the commitees favor (although I would agree they are the best).
Jamie's non-con caught up with him. To his credit, he scheduled a real good mid-major but lost and as he usually does, he picked the worst exempt tournament he could find and beat 3 cupcakes. 7-11 in the Big 12 just isnt going to cut it unless you have a really tough OOC like Oklahoma. They ONLY played 4 mid-majors in the non-con and 1 was a win over Wofford
Speaking of records. Dixon is 22-32 so far in the Big 12.
There are about 5 teams who should have been in before St. John's. TCU is one of them.
I agree TCU over St. John's.....and if you look just solely on overall record, I do think TCU maybe should have gotten in but there's no way I could have put 2 11 loss Big 12 teams in. I know you aren't supposed to think like that but 2???? OU clearly had the better resume and I couldnt justify both of them. I would have put Lipscomb in in what was a terrible bubble year.
I would have put in Lipscomb over St. John's. I cannot see the metric that could have been used to put them in tournament.
Sure there are teams that should be in before St. John’s but TCU is not one of them. See the link above where all 68 teams are ranked and St. John’s 3 best wins 2 vs Marquette & 1 vs Nova are better than TCU’s best win.
I disagree with many on here in that I thought Lipscomb was a very easy exclusion.
Had it been me I would’ve replaced St John’s and Arizona St with TCU and N.C. St, but other than that no issues with the teams that made it.
As far as Jamie Dixon goes his TCU teams are reminiscent of his last few Pitt seasons. Now that the RPI is no longer in use he needs to come up with a new strategy. To be honest the shine is coming off his star a little, can’t see how anyone would consider him an elite coach at this point.
They also beat VCU. But their NET was so bad. If they are using NET like RPI, I believe they would be the lowest rated NET/RPI team to get in
Their Kempom, NET, and Sargarin are all so far below many teams. And they were 8-10 in a pretty substandard Big East. If you don't like 7-11 in the Big 12, 8-10 in the Big East is worse.
I assumed the 32 point loss to a slumping Marquette team in the BET finished them off. I just don’t see St John’s pulling it together and coming up with a great effort moving forward either.
While I understand his conference record the last 6-7 years is mediocre...the only thing I will say is ... how awful was TCU’s record before he got there? Next year IMO is important for his success there long term. Imo he has done a very good job. Not excellent yet. But very good considering all
I knew I was going to come on the basketball board tonight and see at least one TCU thread. The Jamie obsession for Pitt fans is still real!
I agree with this a bit. Truth he told , while he has at least 15 years left if he wants to coach, maybe more, he def needs to do something good soon to get back in that convo.
At the end of the day, I don't disagree. Everyone who didn't make it had the chances to win to do so. But my beef is that St. John's didn't win to earn their way in either.
If anything, this year makes the case that NONE of the "last four in" should have been in at all.
Cut the 68 back down to 64!!
Maybe maybe not. His teams rn dont play good defense and surprisingly thats why he is losing more than he used to. Talent or not he had 7 players the last half of season. They are not that talented. Like I said , next year or two will determine alot but ultimately for where TCU Was, there can be no negatives said .
So few players because so many defections. Either payments weren’t made or playing time wasn’t granted as promised.
I dont understand why that is a bad thing. He is our best coach ever and he had a somewhat polarizing tenure here.
I dont understand St. John's either. It would be hard to find a less deserving team in the history of at-large bids which is why I say just go with Lipscomb and call it a day. The committee had to throw up a little in their mouths when selecting SJU
Ben Howland is the best head coach we’ve had. We were a dumpster fire when he took over and he turned us into a Sweet 16 team. Then you factor in what he accomplished at UCLA, and he has turned around MSU. Dixon had the best tenure record wise, but wasn’t the best head coach IMO.
Mullin is an awful coach. They are extremely unorganized, sometimes it looks like they don’t even attempt to run anything on O and just play like it’s a pick up game at the park. But they do have talent in guys like Ponds, Heron, Figueroa and Simon. Sometimes when that talent is on and playing hard they can beat anyone (even with a horrible coach). Last season they beat Duke who was #4 and Nova who was #1 in back to back games because Ponds put the team on his back.
It would not surprise me if ASU blew them out nor would it be a surprise if Ponds, Heron or one of their other talents got hot and lead St Johns to a win in spite of Mullins horrible coaching.
Big East is mostly garbage now. Catholics had some bad press the last 12 months. This is a token. They’re basically Nova and a few others.
Id bet the latter.
Seems like everyone here only wants to talk records.. thats an interesting take
It isnt bad. Just saying. People here seem so interested in this debate. I still think he does very well at TCU long term. Relatively young still and recruiting well. We will never see that success again. Thats what some people here need to realize
100% agree with this, looking back I’m still amazed at what he did at Pitt in such a short time. Add in the great job he did at NAU as well.
I was excited when he looked like a lock for the UNLV job until some still unknown higher up at the school nixed the deal at the last minute.
Howland is the perfect mix of a guy that combines being slightly dirty with strong coaching ability. He will figure out a way to win wherever he goes.
Agree but watch out as the JIG’s are going to come out in full force and attack lol. Don’t get me wrong JG did a heck of a job building on what Howland did but he is our 2nd best coach. As you said Ben took over a dumpster fire and was coaching in the Field House when he started. JD took over for a team that was coming off a 28-5 record coaching at the Pete. No rebuilding was needed as Ben did the heavy lifting. JIG’s start to attack in 3...2...1
BTW UCLA fans didn’t realize how good they had it as Wooden is not coming back. I agree he has done an excellent job at MSU.
If someone doesn't agree and makes a case, does this make them a JIG?
I think what you see now is what you’re going to get. Probably a bubble team most years and finds a way to make the tournament half the time.
His NCAA flops cannot be ignored, he’s arguably one of the worst coaches in tournament history and there’s no reason to see that ever changing. For whatever reason his teams have alway played extremely tight in the tourney and rarely look the way they did in the regular season.
Losing David Patrick probably hurt somewhat. If UNLV doesn’t get Thad Matta it’s rumored Mike Miller is one of their fallback candidates. If that happens he’ll obviously be bringing his brother Ryan with him. Corey Baker is probably done, so Dixon may be losing all of his assistants in a very short period of time.
Then we will see if he truly can build a program mostly from the ground up. The jury is out.
So you don’t think Ben took over a dumpster fire? You don’t agree JD took over a program (28-5) that was in a real good place? Like I said JD did a heck of a job but I think what Ben did was amazing. If you disagree go ahead and give your thoughts.
There was a lot of balance in the Big 12 but in the end I believe the Tournament will show it was a down year for the Conference. Won’t be shocked if none make the Elite 8. TCU probably needed one more Big 12 win. While not good, 8-10 sounds much better than 7-11.
If by "pretty substandard" Big East you mean "literally the worst the Big East has ever been in it's history", then yeah.
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