8 years of "sustained growth". Then 5 years of falling back and treading water. Yes, it was better than we are right now, but let's not attempt to characterize those last 5 years on any level with Jamie's first 8.
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To be fair, they were only a P6 program for 2 or 3 years before he got there. They were a mid-major in the WAC and Mountain West that didn't invest any money in basketball.
They were also in the SWC way back when and still bad. Right?
This is just blatant stupidity. Do you know how bad they were? We’ll see how far he can go there but you might wanna get a clue.
He’s gone and like others I’ve grown tired of these “debates”. So shame on me for even clicking on the topic. But either you’re clueless or just hate him so bad you’re blind to reality.
Yeah, when I saw St Johns in, I knew TCU was out. No truth to the rumors that champagne bottles were opened at my householdbut I have no idea how or why the Johnnies were in.
I am just glad Belmont got in. IMO, they middle of the P5 conferences, in many cases, leads to the same effect as those Citrus Bowl type of matchups on NYD. A whole lot of "meh".
Hey Jamie, schedule better, the committee is on to you.
I'm glad Belmont was in as well.
If anyone needs to get the "schedule better" comment, it is N.C. State and Keats. By every metric, they absolutely SHOULD have been in, but the OOC S.O.S at the bottom of College Hoops must have done them in. Still, 9-9 in the ACC is world's better than 8-10 in the Big East.
TCU's problem wasn't Dixon's schedule. It was simply going 7-11 in the Big 12. If they just go 8-10, they would have been in.
He is what he is.....MEDIOCRE... tries to game the system and his teams are never as good as what the regular season record suggests. The NCAA tournament committee is well aware of this and treating him accordingly.
OK but NC NC State did beat Auburn and Penn State. Laugh at Penn State but their NET is insanely good. 1 "bracketologist" actually had PSU in the tourney as of a few days ago.
I realize that NC State's SOS had a bad number but my guess is they played too many sub 250 teams and to me, there's no real difference once you get past 150. You should win all those.
You neglected to indicate Dixon also did an excellent job of running the program into the ditch.....with some of the worst recruiting by a program with the assets at his disposal including, past success, conference affiliation, TV exposure and university and fan support.
The last 5 years of Dixon - even with regression-
Was as successful as any other 5 years in our modern history.
Some folks just can’t come to grips that we’ve been a doormat program for most of our history .
We made 6 NCAA’s from 1981-89, and had our most talented team during this era. The mid-late 90’s were bad. Then the Howland/Dixon era was very good. That would not equate to a doormat program.
Not really. 5 years around Howland and the first 5 years of Paul Evans were easily better.
Far from a doormat program since the mid 80s when I started following them. Maybe 6 or 7 years out of the last 50.
If they're a "damned good team" and deserving of their top 20 ranking I'd hope they are better than just the bottom 3-4 ACC teams.
Dixon II was good enough but it was trending worse than that. Got a little lucky with Cam and Luther that nobody wanted but guys like Kithcart, Wilson, Nix, Haughton, it seemed like Jamie wasnt going to be able to recruit ACC level players any longer. That said, you let him coach forever unless you can get someone better which we didnt
Count me as one who would have taken him back in a hot second--and I still would. With all due respect to Capel, I think the jury is very much out on him. We would know exactly what we're getting with Howland.
As well they shouldn't. I mean, I can make an argument for 8-10 teams in a really strong conference get in. But despite Joe's claim, whether the Big 12 was down or not, it certainly was not as strong as it has been in other years. 7-11, that is a .389 winning percentage, that's not good enough.
No idea on why or how NC State or St Johns got in. This was definitely the year to give teams like Belmont and NCGreensboro bids. Overall, I didn't think the committee did a poor job.
No. Not as successful as Ben's first 5 or Evans. Unless you are putting a lot of weight into that CBI title. You are really trying to split hairs to defend your boy.
None of this really matters because they're both gone and never coming back. I'll agree that the jury is still out on Capel. His recruiting is OK, nothing more. But that's to be expected when a coach has nothing to start with. Same with his coaching. It's OK, but nothing stands out right now. I think he'll be fine once he gets more of his players and establishes a coaching style and identity.
Joe's claim is that the Big 12 this year is a deep league that doesn't have any teams that are title contenders. The only reason why I can figure that he actually claims that is because it's true. As I said, if you only measure the strength of the conference by who the best team is then they aren't at the top. But that's not the way that most people do it. YMMV.
And it is crystal clear that the committee values the Big 12's type of conference (no great teams, no real bad teams) than the ACC (3 super heavyweights, 6 bad teams, 6 mediocre teams).
Is it as strong as in previous years. Come on, go research some math stats. Go boy, that's your assignment for now.
As I said, if all you judge a conference by is whether or not they have a team that is likely to win the championship then the answer is no. I get that that's the way you want to look at it, and that's fine. It's also most certainly not the way that most people look at it. From top to bottom, yeah, it is as strong as it has been in previous years, and in fact it's stronger than it is in most years. But you don't want to hear that, and that's fine.
Looking at it the way that you want to would lead one to think that the ACC is the best and the WCC is second. I wonder how many people would agree with that outlook?
All I gather from this thread is that there are people celebrating our best coach not making the tourney from another school..and people that appreciate what he did here. Dont think the jigs are as polarizing as the haters lol. My honest assessment is that he is likely a top 25 coach in the game today. Apparently TCU should already have titles . 3 years in. Meh. I just hope one day in the next 2-3 years we will be in the tournament. I got nothing left. This entire debate has gone way tiresome even for me so. Lets go pitt (next year)
And the winner is!?
Smartest anonymous poster on a Pitt Panther message board!
Congratulations in advance to whoever wins this argument, that is quite the prize!
Smartest anonymous poster on a Pitt Panther message board!
Congratulations in advance to whoever wins this argument, that is quite the prize!
I don't think it was necessarily the 7-11 conference record that kept TCU out. I believe it was the 3-7 record in their last 10 that kept them out. The committee didn't want a team in that limped its way to the finish.
Penn St was a mess when they played NC St. It wasn’t until late in the season when the light bulb finally turned on for them.
They haven't included last ten games on the team sheets or had them as part of the stated criteria for selection for several years now.
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