Got into a discussion earlier tonight with 3 penn state friends...

[YourPittDanceTeam]

about the direction of the Pitt and penn state football programs. All I can say, is the "CULT" that we all joke around about, is real.
After discussing the issue for over a half hour, I finally just asked them the following...

Which team will PLAY in their conference's "Championship Game" first?

To my surprise (and these 3 all hold good paying jobs along with their graduate degrees) all of them, without hesitation said penn state. Naturally, I laughed because I see absolutely no way that penn state (especially with Franklin as their coach) in the near future, ever beats out Michigan, Michigan State and Ohio State to win their half of the Big 10 Conference. In regards to Pitt, the 7 teams in their half of the ACC are pretty much interchangeable from year to year. There will be some years where a school like Pitt has a legitimate chance of winning the Coastal Division. I'm not saying that it's going to happen this year, but winning it within the next 5 years definitely seems realistic in my opinion.
They told me that I must be drinking the Pitt "Kool-Aid". I think I'm being very fair and objective.
What do you guys think about the above question???

 

[Piranha]

about the direction of the Pitt and penn state football programs. All I can say, is the "CULT" that we all joke around about, is real.
After discussing the issue for over a half hour, I finally just asked them the following...

Which team will PLAY in their conference's "Championship Game" first?

To my surprise (and these 3 all hold good paying jobs along with their graduate degrees) all of them, without hesitation said penn state. Naturally, I laughed because I see absolutely no way that penn state (especially with Franklin as their coach) in the near future, ever beats out Michigan, Michigan State and Ohio State to win their half of the Big 10 Conference. In regards to Pitt, the 7 teams in their half of the ACC are pretty much interchangeable from year to year. There will be some years where a school like Pitt has a legitimate chance of winning the Coastal Division. I'm not saying that it's going to happen this year, but winning it within the next 5 years definitely seems realistic in my opinion.
They told me that I must be drinking the Pitt "Kool-Aid". I think I'm being very fair and objective.
What do you guys think about the above question???

You need better friends - that much is obvious.

 

[PhPanther1]

I think your friends sound annoying and I probably wouldn't be friends with them. Not because they went to PSU...because I do have friends that have gone and are currently going there, but because they seem like the kind of obnoxious fans we all get sick about. If I were you, i'd be looking for better friends.

 

[Panther Parrothead]

about the direction of the Pitt and penn state football programs. All I can say, is the "CULT" that we all joke around about, is real.
After discussing the issue for over a half hour, I finally just asked them the following...

Which team will PLAY in their conference's "Championship Game" first?

To my surprise (and these 3 all hold good paying jobs along with their graduate degrees) all of them, without hesitation said penn state. Naturally, I laughed because I see absolutely no way that penn state (especially with Franklin as their coach) in the near future, ever beats out Michigan, Michigan State and Ohio State to win their half of the Big 10 Conference. In regards to Pitt, the 7 teams in their half of the ACC are pretty much interchangeable from year to year. There will be some years where a school like Pitt has a legitimate chance of winning the Coastal Division. I'm not saying that it's going to happen this year, but winning it within the next 5 years definitely seems realistic in my opinion.
They told me that I must be drinking the Pitt "Kool-Aid". I think I'm being very fair and objective.
What do you guys think about the above question???

I'm not surprised at all....they responded to your question exactly the way that I would've expected them to.

And honestly, no Nit should ever accuse other schools' fans of "drinking the Kool-Aid". They own the title of Kool-Aid Drinkers.

 

[tps48]

about the direction of the Pitt and penn state football programs. All I can say, is the "CULT" that we all joke around about, is real.
After discussing the issue for over a half hour, I finally just asked them the following...

Which team will PLAY in their conference's "Championship Game" first?

To my surprise (and these 3 all hold good paying jobs along with their graduate degrees) all of them, without hesitation said penn state. Naturally, I laughed because I see absolutely no way that penn state (especially with Franklin as their coach) in the near future, ever beats out Michigan, Michigan State and Ohio State to win their half of the Big 10 Conference. In regards to Pitt, the 7 teams in their half of the ACC are pretty much interchangeable from year to year. There will be some years where a school like Pitt has a legitimate chance of winning the Coastal Division. I'm not saying that it's going to happen this year, but winning it within the next 5 years definitely seems realistic in my opinion.
They told me that I must be drinking the Pitt "Kool-Aid". I think I'm being very fair and objective.
What do you guys think about the above question???

You can't have a rational discussion with the irrational.

 

[BFo8]

Not surprising at all.

One of the best things about moving away from PA is never having to be around Penn St people. My only regret is not being there when the scandal broke, would've enjoyed the reaction of the cultists around me.

What they don't realize is that no one outside the area even thinks of PSU other than the Sandusky stuff. They haven't been relevant on the field since before any of their current players were born.

 

[vinniep33]

Not surprising at all.

One of the best things about moving away from PA is never having to be around Penn St people. My only regret is not being there when the scandal broke, would've enjoyed the reaction of the cultists around me.

What they don't realize is that no one outside the area even thinks of PSU other than the Sandusky stuff. They haven't been relevant on the field since before any of their current players were born.

I have one friend that is a Penn state fan. We don't talk about it. He went there for Golf course superintendent grad school. He's not a cultist. I could not be friends with a member of that cult. I can't fathom Pitt fans marrying Penn state fans.

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

about the direction of the Pitt and penn state football programs. All I can say, is the "CULT" that we all joke around about, is real.
After discussing the issue for over a half hour, I finally just asked them the following...

Which team will PLAY in their conference's "Championship Game" first?

To my surprise (and these 3 all hold good paying jobs along with their graduate degrees) all of them, without hesitation said penn state. Naturally, I laughed because I see absolutely no way that penn state (especially with Franklin as their coach) in the near future, ever beats out Michigan, Michigan State and Ohio State to win their half of the Big 10 Conference. In regards to Pitt, the 7 teams in their half of the ACC are pretty much interchangeable from year to year. There will be some years where a school like Pitt has a legitimate chance of winning the Coastal Division. I'm not saying that it's going to happen this year, but winning it within the next 5 years definitely seems realistic in my opinion.
They told me that I must be drinking the Pitt "Kool-Aid". I think I'm being very fair and objective.
What do you guys think about the above question???

Uhhhh..........brings back my youthful memories way back in 1972 when two of my best Friends went to Penn State and two others went to Pitt, and we all argued over that too, but it was PITT that would win a NCS first? Pitt did it in 1976 and it just horrified the Penn Staters until they caught up in 1982 and 1986.

They did have a point that they had the more Powerful Profit Income Program with many advantages and Pitt had a Administration not focused on keep hiring the right People over some that made huge mistakes.

In time, once Penn State joined the Big Ten I warned them, that was a big Mistake as far as Winning will be concern. I said, watch what happens in 4 years after Penn State is fully assimilated in the Big Ten and Paterno can't control the scheduling, Ref Selections, and has to deal with Ohio State, Michigan and Delany. They laughed at me from 1993 to 1997? They really laughed at me in 1994 when they invited me to the Rose Bowl.

They stayed up and watched Miami lose to Nebraska and I went to bed. We got up 4 AM for breakfast and they were bragging they will be #1 after they beat Oregon.

We went to Rose Bowl Parade at 5AM but the game was at 2PM Penn State and Penn State won, but they were all dragging from just having 2 hour sleep. We went to dinner and later that night Polls came out and Penn State ended up #2? We went to the Nixon Library the next day and they bitched all day saying Michigan & Ohio State did not vote for them to share the Title. I reminded them, you do know that reason why Penn State did not play Nebraska? It is because Big Ten won't join the BCS Bowl Coalition and that cost Penn State the Title.

To be honest it was and still is the Greatest Team in PSU History and set NCAA records on Offense, but did not share the Title. The look showed nothing but pain knowing I was right. After 1996, PSU slow demise began as Big Ten came in and took away Top Recruits now since Big Ten Games could be seen in PA now. Enough for Iowa, Wisky, and Minnesota to beat PSU joining UM & OSU?.

I told them in 1998, Paterno should retire and become the Big East Commissioner and join and grow the Big East. They laughed again, but today and especially after the Penn State Scandal they call me the Penn State Prophet. They agree now the Big Ten has gotten way more from Penn State and their days of returning to the Top of the Conference like in 1993-96, are slim to none.They can have a few 10 Wins here and there but more like every 5 years.

Pitt in the ACC Coastal will win that Division before Franklin can win the Big Ten East!

 

[CrazyPaco]

All I can say, is the "CULT" that we all joke around about, is real.

Duuhhh.

No, seriously, debating sports prognostications has nothing to do with cultish behavior. All fans are overly optimistic about their futures and have a myopic view of their preeminence in the sports world. However, the active worship of the sports teams and figures is the issue.

You should see what they say if you bring up 30 years of the institutionalized cover-up of serial child rape to protect a sports program. Say it just like that...using the absolute truth and not sugar coating reality. When they perform all sorts of mental gymnastics and leaps of illogic to defend the indefensible and shift victimhood upon themselves for the sake of a football team, then you know you have a bunch of cultists

And unfortunately, that "cult" is very real, very disgusting, and it is the vast majority of them, as many have been saying on here for a long time.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

Penn State has all the resources of Ohio State, Alabama, LSU, Michigan, etc. Coaching has held them back ever since Paterno got too old. They have enough money to hire anybody they want, literally anybody so when Franklin is let go, maybe they get a big time coach. If they do, there is no reason to think they cant be Ohio State. They have the money, resources, and access to recruits within a 3-4 hour radius.

 

[GT74]

My neighbor and very good friend is a BIG PSU fan. Even goes to their away games. Called me to tell me he bought Pitt season tix but would get rid of the other games if I knew anyone who wanted them. We talked about the game, and his opinion was that Pitt is the better team this year and expects them to win, but hopefully PSU would get them back next year at home. He usually is honest about PSU, and will admit shortcomings. He does respect Narduzzi and says he is best coach Pitt has had in awhile and thinks he will take them to higher levels.

 

[pittmeister]

Penn State has all the resources of Ohio State, Alabama, LSU, Michigan, etc. Coaching has held them back ever since Paterno got too old. They have enough money to hire anybody they want, literally anybody so when Franklin is let go, maybe they get a big time coach. If they do, there is no reason to think they cant be Ohio State. They have the money, resources, and access to recruits within a 3-4 hour radius.

It won't be about money. It will be about finding the best coach who understands and embraces the culture. Matt Ruhle would be the perfect fit. I'm hoping a big time school offers him a job after the season before PSU has a chance to make an offer. I hear Al Golden is available....

 

[9nationalchampionships]

You should have bet them on who would win. Safe bet for a number of reasons stated in these posts.

 

[paulbl99]

Penn State has all the resources of Ohio State, Alabama, LSU, Michigan, etc. Coaching has held them back ever since Paterno got too old. They have enough money to hire anybody they want, literally anybody so when Franklin is let go, maybe they get a big time coach. If they do, there is no reason to think they cant be Ohio State. They have the money, resources, and access to recruits within a 3-4 hour radius.

You are spot on.
Bill bob showed how much coaching had fallen backwards and Mouth Frankie is showing how really poor recruiting was ...despite Bradleys hand written letters.

It's all about the ca$h
And State gives out degrees like McD French Fries.

They have access to an incredible pool of money with willing people in line waiting to be separated from theirs.

 

[beiglepanther]

I don't have any Penn State friends. As soon as I find out someone went to Pen State or is a fan I immediately start to scream at them and make fun of them, then I challenge them to fight me, if they are some loud.mouth fat married housewife or an obese child I tell them to get there husband/dad because I'm gonna kick the shit out of him because they are so stupid. I know most of you on this site are probably not as tough as me but u need to start doing the same.

 

[pittdan77]

I currently live and work among them in Central PA. I know current and former members of their BOT. I've known many players and have worked in and around the university. Even met Jerry and Joe. I can tell you without a shadow of a doubt, it is unthinkable in their minds that Pitt will ever be better in any way, shape, or form. The older and more savvy fans can even explain away Pitt's past success.

Don't waste your time.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

I don't have any Penn State friends. As soon as I find out someone went to Pen State or is a fan I immediately start to scream at them and make fun of them, then I challenge them to fight me, if they are some loud.mouth fat married housewife or an obese child I tell them to get there husband/dad because I'm gonna kick the shit out of him because they are so stupid. I know most of you on this site are probably not as tough as me but u need to start doing the same.

This is a Post of the Year nominee.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

My neighbor and very good friend is a BIG PSU fan. Even goes to their away games. Called me to tell me he bought Pitt season tix but would get rid of the other games if I knew anyone who wanted them. We talked about the game, and his opinion was that Pitt is the better team this year and expects them to win, but hopefully PSU would get them back next year at home. He usually is honest about PSU, and will admit shortcomings. He does respect Narduzzi and says he is best coach Pitt has had in awhile and thinks he will take them to higher levels.

The PSU people I have talked to think PSU can win but probably won't and that's pretty much how I feel. One is staying away because of hostile Pitt fans.

 

[DruidTM]

I currently live and work among them in Central PA. I know current and former members of their BOT. I've known many players and have worked in and around the university. Even met Jerry and Joe. I can tell you without a shadow of a doubt, it is unthinkable in their minds that Pitt will ever be better in any way, shape, or form. The older and more savvy fans can even explain away Pitt's past success.

Don't waste your time.

The obvious retort ....how much "success " has PSU had without a pedophile on the coaching staff? Both titles are completely tainted...both and they only have 2. That's why I can't separate the coach from the despicable activities... The entire deal is a big con job...

 

[Pitt79]

about the direction of the Pitt and penn state football programs. All I can say, is the "CULT" that we all joke around about, is real.
After discussing the issue for over a half hour, I finally just asked them the following...

Which team will PLAY in their conference's "Championship Game" first?

To my surprise (and these 3 all hold good paying jobs along with their graduate degrees) all of them, without hesitation said penn state. Naturally, I laughed because I see absolutely no way that penn state (especially with Franklin as their coach) in the near future, ever beats out Michigan, Michigan State and Ohio State to win their half of the Big 10 Conference. In regards to Pitt, the 7 teams in their half of the ACC are pretty much interchangeable from year to year. There will be some years where a school like Pitt has a legitimate chance of winning the Coastal Division. I'm not saying that it's going to happen this year, but winning it within the next 5 years definitely seems realistic in my opinion.
They told me that I must be drinking the Pitt "Kool-Aid". I think I'm being very fair and objective.
What do you guys think about the above question???

I think Pitt will get there 1st, but I see nothing wrong with being optimistic about your team. I remember when Pitt joined the Big East, I thought for sure they'd win multiple league titles on a regular basis, and after 20 years they never won a single one outright, they tied for it twice, so I guess I was as delusional as they are.

 

[pitt-girl]

Penn State has all the resources of Ohio State, Alabama, LSU, Michigan, etc. Coaching has held them back ever since Paterno got too old. They have enough money to hire anybody they want, literally anybody so when Franklin is let go, maybe they get a big time coach. If they do, there is no reason to think they cant be Ohio State. They have the money, resources, and access to recruits within a 3-4 hour radius.

I agree with all of this.

 

[wbrpanther]

about the direction of the Pitt and penn state football programs. All I can say, is the "CULT" that we all joke around about, is real.
After discussing the issue for over a half hour, I finally just asked them the following...

Which team will PLAY in their conference's "Championship Game" first?

To my surprise (and these 3 all hold good paying jobs along with their graduate degrees) all of them, without hesitation said penn state. Naturally, I laughed because I see absolutely no way that penn state (especially with Franklin as their coach) in the near future, ever beats out Michigan, Michigan State and Ohio State to win their half of the Big 10 Conference. In regards to Pitt, the 7 teams in their half of the ACC are pretty much interchangeable from year to year. There will be some years where a school like Pitt has a legitimate chance of winning the Coastal Division. I'm not saying that it's going to happen this year, but winning it within the next 5 years definitely seems realistic in my opinion.
They told me that I must be drinking the Pitt "Kool-Aid". I think I'm being very fair and objective.
What do you guys think about the above question???

Pavlov's dogs.

 

[wbrpanther]

Penn State has all the resources of Ohio State, Alabama, LSU, Michigan, etc. Coaching has held them back ever since Paterno got too old. They have enough money to hire anybody they want, literally anybody so when Franklin is let go, maybe they get a big time coach. If they do, there is no reason to think they cant be Ohio State. They have the money, resources, and access to recruits within a 3-4 hour radius.

Ped State has the resources to be a very good program again. Ped State NEVER was what tOSU is at this moment and never will be.

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

Duuhhh.

No, seriously, debating sports prognostications has nothing to do with cultish behavior. All fans are overly optimistic about their futures and have a myopic view of their preeminence in the sports world. However, the active worship of the sports teams and figures is the issue.

You should see what they say if you bring up 30 years of the institutionalized cover-up of serial child rape to protect a sports program. Say it just like that...using the absolute truth and not sugar coating reality. When they perform all sorts of mental gymnastics and leaps of illogic to defend the indefensible and shift victimhood upon themselves for the sake of a football team, then you know you have a bunch of cultists

And unfortunately, that "cult" is very real, very disgusting, and it is the vast majority of them, as many have been saying on here for a long time.

Crazy Paco is spot on how most CFB Fans view their University with hope and optimism and have myopic views of others. Since the 1980s CFB as changed on a wide body of issues, events, reactions, realignments, scandals, and sensitivities to social issue. All Programs are funded now in 20+ Million Range and All 85 Scholarships funded by TV Revenues. Just 10 years ago there were only 3 Programs making $100 million today there are 18 and climbing.

Now let us look at Pitt, WVU, and Penn State present and futures from my own myopic views comparisons as judged by others welcomed here too, without offense?


Pitt, WVU, and Penn State all have gone through many changes that affected their Football Programs. This is why all are 7-6 & 8-5 the last few years and in Rebuilding Mode! Now each have other challenges outside of Eastern Football while remaining in the East.

BIG-12:

WVU's President-Mylan Academic Scandal, losing Coach Rod, and dealing with ACC rejection set them back from Top ten Winning. The Big Boosters brought back Alum Oliver Luck to save them. Ollie left them with some problems in Big-12 in his mission to save WVU Football too for a brighter future. They are moving on with far bigger payday in 2016 than any other day in WVU History. Now the issue is finding the right coach if Holgrosen cannot cut it. Still, Big-12 Expansion problems are WVU problems and still isolated far from Big-12 Home and the 2016 season will impact on that too for WVU???

Penn State:

Penn State having the Worst Scandal in College Football History happening under Saint Paterno's Era really has some issues still be resolved. The NCAA & BIG-10 had to put Sanctions to correct Penn State Football Criminal & Athletic Integrity Program. Paterno's Errors with many Penn State 2012 Reforms also left them with Money Costs still climbing without Wins as expected. They have moved on but the Penn State Alumni still are divided. The Big Ten Big Money is coming at a great time too. The PSU Cult that was once a strength under a silent successful Paterno Program is now an obstacle under Penn State 2012 Reforms. No Coach or Any Person will have that kind power again at Penn State. The money is coming in from the Big Ten and winning will bring more, but winning in the Big Ten is far tougher than ever. Even Paterno couldn't handle it as PSU dropped 2nd, and 3rd tier since 1993. This 2016 season may or may not be a defining season? The Scandal and its impact is near but still not at a complete end???

PITT:

Pitt in the ACC as a Power Conference now has steady and stable money coming in every year. The New Chancellor that has a Vision knowing Football Winning is important to future University Admissions and Alumni Giving. Although the perception of Pederson Poison that was making Pitt Alumni sick has been given a Narduzzi's Antidote with a Barnes Blood Transfusions, it is still up to Pitt rebuild the entire Program in the ACC now. Fulfilling Dr. Juhl's innovative quote into a reality! “If Pitt Can Cure Polio It Can Win 10 Games Every Year!” Yet, as stated by me many times, "So Little Done and So More To Do," is dependent on Narduzzi's Plan and his success on winning too???

In summary, Pitt, WVU, & Penn State may not play each other as much as anymore, but all 3 have different challenges within 3 Conferences.

Any WVU or Penn State Fans thinking that past memories of glory winning on the GridIron like they did before, are missing how things have changed for their Program & University! Pitt on the other hand has an easier Road to Plow & Hoe in the ACC Coastal than WVU in Big-12, & PSU in Big Ten East. Whether they like it or not "Things Change"!





Unlike WVU and PSU that are still mired in Alumni Divisions due to their Academic & Athletic Scandal recent past they still are trying to fix. Pitt Alumni & Fans without such Scandals needs to leave Pederson Poison in the past where it belongs. There is a Plan for a better future in the ACC and time to unite, give, and come to games!

 

[kybuckeye2]

Ped State has the resources to be a very good program again. Ped State NEVER was what tOSU is at this moment and never will be.

To hear the mouth breathers over on BWI, they wouldn't ever want to be like OSU. They have success with honor, you see.

 

[President Stache]

about the direction of the Pitt and penn state football programs. All I can say, is the "CULT" that we all joke around about, is real.
After discussing the issue for over a half hour, I finally just asked them the following...

Which team will PLAY in their conference's "Championship Game" first?

To my surprise (and these 3 all hold good paying jobs along with their graduate degrees) all of them, without hesitation said penn state. Naturally, I laughed because I see absolutely no way that penn state (especially with Franklin as their coach) in the near future, ever beats out Michigan, Michigan State and Ohio State to win their half of the Big 10 Conference. In regards to Pitt, the 7 teams in their half of the ACC are pretty much interchangeable from year to year. There will be some years where a school like Pitt has a legitimate chance of winning the Coastal Division. I'm not saying that it's going to happen this year, but winning it within the next 5 years definitely seems realistic in my opinion.
They told me that I must be drinking the Pitt "Kool-Aid". I think I'm being very fair and objective.
What do you guys think about the above question???

Havent read the responses... but I am sure most on here will say as I will say :

1. Why argue with cultist. They are deranged and dont know better
2. Pitt may just win this year actually...
3. Penn State isnt even close to OSU... and will take a coaching change for that to happen. Or OSU just completely falls apart due to injury or something bizarre.
4. You should immediately place a bet or wager on this... and I would think if gone through Vegas, you would have to give them promising odds. Straight up this is a sucker bet.

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

I currently live and work among them in Central PA. I know current and former members of their BOT. I've known many players and have worked in and around the university. Even met Jerry and Joe. I can tell you without a shadow of a doubt, it is unthinkable in their minds that Pitt will ever be better in any way, shape, or form. The older and more savvy fans can even explain away Pitt's past success.
Don't waste your time.

Well, "Things Change"! After all ...think about these 3 things:


1. PITT BETTER LEADERSHIP:

Pitt has the more innovative and younger Chancellor Gallagher than forlorn WVU's Retread President Gordon Gee Whiz with Boosters that will boot him if WVU does not win soon. Holgrosen is on the Hot Seat!

Penn State's President Baron bragged about how much more he would be making at Penn State over FSU. This is man looking at retirement not foresight into an innovative future. Baron inherited the Trustees & Alumni Divide,he is just a Caretaker until it comes to an end. In Addition to Coach Franklin picked by the hated previous President Erickson & AD Joyner. Baron & Barbour enjoy the Penn State Money way too much and prefer to stay safe rather make the changes necessary to unite Penn State. Franklin fate now rests on New OC & DC and 10 Wins season sooner not later.


Pitt's Chancellor Gallagher Vision is in a position to make it happen in the ACC more than WVU & PSU facing changes at the top of their University. They have to soft step discontented Alumni and Coaches without Extensions. PSU's Coaching Stability is worse than Pitt is and reminding any PSU friends is something they forget and did not happen much until 2011. WVU is not far from more chaos either on events they can control with Holgrosen, but events they can't control in the Big-12? Pitt is rebuilding its Program in the ACC looks far more easier than the other two and we shall see how 2016 defines all Three Plans.

 

[Panther Holla]

Uhhhh..........brings back my youthful memories way back in 1972 when two of my best Friends went to Penn State and two others went to Pitt, and we all argued over that too, but it was PITT that would win a NCS first? Pitt did it in 1976 and it just horrified the Penn Staters until they caught up in 1982 and 1986.

They did have a point that they had the more Powerful Profit Income Program with many advantages and Pitt had a Administration not focused on keep hiring the right People over some that made huge mistakes.

In time, once Penn State joined the Big Ten I warned them, that was a big Mistake as far as Winning will be concern. I said, watch what happens in 4 years after Penn State is fully assimilated in the Big Ten and Paterno can't control the scheduling, Ref Selections, and has to deal with Ohio State, Michigan and Delany. They laughed at me from 1993 to 1997? They really laughed at me in 1994 when they invited me to the Rose Bowl.

They stayed up and watched Miami lose to Nebraska and I went to bed. We got up 4 AM for breakfast and they were bragging they will be #1 after they beat Oregon.

We went to Rose Bowl Parade at 5AM but the game was at 2PM Penn State and Penn State won, but they were all dragging from just having 2 hour sleep. We went to dinner and later that night Polls came out and Penn State ended up #2? We went to the Nixon Library the next day and they bitched all day saying Michigan & Ohio State did not vote for them to share the Title. I reminded them, you do know that reason why Penn State did not play Nebraska? It is because Big Ten won't join the BCS Bowl Coalition and that cost Penn State the Title.

To be honest it was and still is the Greatest Team in PSU History and set NCAA records on Offense, but did not share the Title. The look showed nothing but pain knowing I was right. After 1996, PSU slow demise began as Big Ten came in and took away Top Recruits now since Big Ten Games could be seen in PA now. Enough for Iowa, Wisky, and Minnesota to beat PSU joining UM & OSU?.

I told them in 1998, Paterno should retire and become the Big East Commissioner and join and grow the Big East. They laughed again, but today and especially after the Penn State Scandal they call me the Penn State Prophet. They agree now the Big Ten has gotten way more from Penn State and their days of returning to the Top of the Conference like in 1993-96, are slim to none.They can have a few 10 Wins here and there but more like every 5 years.

Pitt in the ACC Coastal will win that Division before Franklin can win the Big Ten East!

Paterno's dream was to coach in a Rose Bowl game. He got his wish. With an ironic twist. Nearly 20 years earlier he chose to play in the Orange Bowl and cost himself a shot at the national championship by avoiding Texas.

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

To hear the mouth breathers over on BWI, they wouldn't ever want to be like OSU. They have success with honor, you see.

This defines their dilemmas as well as their fate. The Nittany Liars can't move on with a Nittany Lion R.I.P. in the ground, and judged by the Court of Public Opinion not worthy of any Honor.

Dead Men Don't Write Their Own History & The Successful Foundation Built On Slogans, Myths, and Mistakes still requires Rebuilding but under 2012 Reforms. Penn State have a big problem as their own Fan Base judging any New Coach on a Football Era full of Errors, and Top Coaches will stay away, or come and go, and it now Franklin or Bust again.

It is not repairable unless they beat OSU, Michigan, and MSU and others and you know it took years to bring back those three above until Carr, Harbaugh, Tressel, Meyers, and Dantonio came along.

I said it many times, Franklin challenge is beating Meyer, Harbaugh and Dantonio. If he can do it they will be fine, so far not close to it.

BTW, how to you see Meyer's Record going with his big reloading job of New Top 4 & 5 Stars in 2016, any thoughts?

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

Paterno's dream was to coach in a Rose Bowl game. He got his wish. With an ironic twist. Nearly 20 years earlier he chose to play in the Orange Bowl and cost himself a shot at the national championship by avoiding Texas.

I did not know about that, are you saying PSU invited to play Texas and Joe refused? He use to blame not being #1 on Nixon!

 

[kybuckeye2]

BTW, how to you see Meyer's Record going with his big reloading job of New Top 4 & 5 Stars in 2016, any thoughts?

From everything I have seen and read, Urban has no concerns about the talent level on this year's team. The main thing is getting the inexperienced players ready for prime time. We are at Oklahoma in Week 3, and that will be a tough test. Then we have a pretty brutal stretch of games from late Oct. thru the end of the season:

at Wisconsin
at Penn St.
Nebraska
at MSU
Michigan

with Northwestern and Maryland thrown into the middle. Assuming JT Barrett can stay healthy, we will be fine. The new RB (Weber) is getting good reviews, as are the new crop of wideouts and DB's. More and more talking heads are picking us to win the B1G, despite other teams having more experience. And the talent pool is only increasing, as is evident by OSU's top 2017 class (2 new 5*s committed yesterday). It's a good time to be a Buckeye.

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

"kybuckeye2, post: 1509779, member: 39505"]From everything I have seen and read, Urban has no concerns about the talent level on this year's team. The main thing is getting the inexperienced players ready for prime time. We are at Oklahoma in Week 3, and that will be a tough test. Then we have a pretty brutal stretch of games from late Oct. thru the end of the season:
OU is the test like you say, win it and you win the B1G too?

@ Wisconsin..Watch Out Bushwhack..can't under estimate Alvarez/Chryst!!
@ Penn St...at PSU never easy but Pitt Game will give preview!
Nebraska..Ditto as above, Riley is solid but still building!
at MSU..Some Meyer's Revenge is due!
Michigan...Pressure more on Harbaugh than OSU!

with Northwestern and Maryland thrown into the middle.
This is a blessing in disguise, both UMD & NW will be great Tests to organized the Talent of Meyer's OSU!

Assuming JT Barrett can stay healthy, we will be fine.
Yep, same with Pitt, but we have less as OSU has more!

The new RB (Weber) is getting good reviews, as are the new crop of wideouts and DB's.
Meyer's knows how to put fear into playing together better than any coach in the B1G! He stays with his recruits and team as well I am told?

More and more talking heads are picking us to win the B1G, despite other teams having more experience. And the talent pool is only increasing, as is evident by OSU's top 2017 class (2 new 5*s committed yesterday). It's a good time to be a Buckeye.
It is not just the Recruiting and agree it is great.....it is all about Meyer's Coaching and it is Elite every place he has been and found a home at Ohio State! It is how I see it, and I thought replacing Tressel would be tough, but Meyer made it look easy!

Good luck!

 

[kybuckeye2]

"kybuckeye2, post: 1509779, member: 39505"]From everything I have seen and read, Urban has no concerns about the talent level on this year's team. The main thing is getting the inexperienced players ready for prime time. We are at Oklahoma in Week 3, and that will be a tough test. Then we have a pretty brutal stretch of games from late Oct. thru the end of the season:
OU is the test like you say, win it and you win the B1G too?

@ Wisconsin..Watch Out Bushwhack..can't under estimate Alvarez/Chryst!!
@ Penn St...at PSU never easy but Pitt Game will give preview!
Nebraska..Ditto as above, Riley is solid but still building!
at MSU..Some Meyer's Revenge is due!
Michigan...Pressure more on Harbaugh than OSU!

with Northwestern and Maryland thrown into the middle.
This is a blessing in disguise, both UMD & NW will be great Tests to organized the Talent of Meyer's OSU!

Assuming JT Barrett can stay healthy, we will be fine.
Yep, same with Pitt, but we have less as OSU has more!

The new RB (Weber) is getting good reviews, as are the new crop of wideouts and DB's.
Meyer's knows how to put fear into playing together better than any coach in the B1G! He stays with his recruits and team as well I am told?

More and more talking heads are picking us to win the B1G, despite other teams having more experience. And the talent pool is only increasing, as is evident by OSU's top 2017 class (2 new 5*s committed yesterday). It's a good time to be a Buckeye.
It is not just the Recruiting and agree it is great.....it is all about Meyer's Coaching and it is Elite every place he has been and found a home at Ohio State! It is how I see it, and I thought replacing Tressel would be tough, but Meyer made it look easy!

Good luck!

Thanks, brother. I will be watching the Pitt/PSU game with interest.

 

[chethejet]

PSU voted the best team is subjective. They had a very good year and beat ranked teams in Pitt WVU and NDin 1982. But hard to think in today's format they are playing for a NC with a hammering loss at Bama 42-21. The facts are good team with nice wins. Actually the 1982 team was superior hands down to the 1986 team IMO. 1986 team wasn't that good to be voted the best team in the land. They beat one ranked team at the time Bama and two after the regular season. BC finished ranked. they beat a 5-5 Pitt team. A ND team that was a five win team as was Cinn and Maryland, as well. Very over rated IMHO. No one believes they were better than Miami except the nitters. Miami had 3 times the yardage and had huge edge in first downs.

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

Thanks, brother. I will be watching the Pitt/PSU game with interest.

Quite a joy to talk just Football, still have Banter, agree to disagree, but really learn and share on the Lair together. Hope more Bucks come here.

I admire Great Football Programs and Universities and not afraid to admit where Pitt has failed, but can defend Pitt successes as well without being jealous or envious that others have done it better.

OSU is one of the Elite and Honor to Compete with them not Fear them!

BTW, do you know where Buck in Buckeyes comes from, learn it at Fort Pitt Museum!

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

"chethejet, post: 1510088, member: 4178"]PSU voted the best team is subjective. They had a very good year and beat ranked teams in Pitt WVU and NDin 1982. But hard to think in today's format they are playing for a NC with a hammering loss at Bama 42-21.

The facts are good team with nice wins. Actually the 1982 team was superior hands down to the 1986 team IMO.
Respectfully, disagree....Ref Guman was doing some mighty fine cheating on behalf of his Sons and later Grandson Alma Mater! Joe kept silent about that too! Bama revealed it and Joe still kept assigning Ref Guman. Many NFL Busts on that 1982 Team. Even the Non-Ref Call with the tight end moving was not called for the PSU TD, and Dooley complain it after the Game and he was right? Joe's Brother & Father's Bookie Friends in Old Brooklyn gave Joe that Championship by bribing the Refs.

The 1986 might have been one of the Best Complete Teams with no too many Stars. Yet, nothing beats the 1994 Teams in my view one of the Best of NCAA Teams in History!

1986 team wasn't that good to be voted the best team in the land. They beat one ranked team at the time Bama and two after the regular season.
Going 12-0 and Beating Miami that had many Future #1 Round NFL Picks, still deserved it! many Conference Teams won NCS in weak Conferences. Matching #1 Miami with #2 PSU was well earned! Who knew both were breaking NCAA Rules back then too?

BC finished ranked. they beat a 5-5 Pitt team. A ND team that was a five win team as was Cinn and Maryland, as well. Very over rated IMHO. No one believes they were better than Miami except the nitters. Miami had 3 times the yardage and had huge edge in first downs.
No question Miami was the better Team, but not on that day and game? If Pitt had won that way, I still would defend them too! It is old Pirate-Yankee Debate of 1960? But Pirates still World Champs!

Just agree to disagree no offense intended and accept your view to say it, but not buying it. The one thing that did make them losers without anyone knowing was carrying off Sandusky equal to Paterno!

Gerry was a Great Coach but Greater Abuser and Joe Knew but did not believe it at that time!

 

[big marty]

Over half my immediate and extended family are Nitters. Most of them are only focused on attendance which is becoming an issue up there for non huge games. They are delusional and frankly stupid sports fans. I wont allow them access to any of my season tickets nor the 4 standing room only for Sept. 10. Disturbing people.

 

[steel_curtain]

about the direction of the Pitt and penn state football programs. All I can say, is the "CULT" that we all joke around about, is real.
After discussing the issue for over a half hour, I finally just asked them the following...

Which team will PLAY in their conference's "Championship Game" first?

To my surprise (and these 3 all hold good paying jobs along with their graduate degrees) all of them, without hesitation said penn state. Naturally, I laughed because I see absolutely no way that penn state (especially with Franklin as their coach) in the near future, ever beats out Michigan, Michigan State and Ohio State to win their half of the Big 10 Conference. In regards to Pitt, the 7 teams in their half of the ACC are pretty much interchangeable from year to year. There will be some years where a school like Pitt has a legitimate chance of winning the Coastal Division. I'm not saying that it's going to happen this year, but winning it within the next 5 years definitely seems realistic in my opinion.
They told me that I must be drinking the Pitt "Kool-Aid". I think I'm being very fair and objective.
What do you guys think about the above question???

-Listen, and I said this a while ago. Until Penn State gets a defensive line, they are going nowhere. I dont care how many stars they have and what their recruit rankings are. If your defensive line sucks, you are competing for nothing, zero, zilch, nada, zip.

- I warned those guys months ago about their D-line being a trainwreck this year. This is Penn State's head football coach in regard to his defensive line this year. This video is 2 weeks old. Skip to the 2 minute mark, and watch Penn State's Head football Coach put his head down when asked about his line play going into the season.

-There is a reason Vegas thinks Penn State is winning 6.5 games this year. All this hype over Barkley and their new OC and how Penn State is winning 9+ games this year. Their defense wont stop anyone's run game with a pulse. James Conner will send the message early when we pound the football so hard down their throat, they wont be talking about Pitt football again until next summer. When Penn State rebuilds the entire defensive line, then they can talk about competing with better teams. Until then, they better get used to 7-6 type seasons.

 

[wicker]

My only regret is not being there when the scandal broke, would've enjoyed the reaction of the cultists around me.

Was awesome.

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

Over half my immediate and extended family are Nitters. Most of them are only focused on attendance which is becoming an issue up there for non huge games. They are delusional and frankly stupid sports fans. I wont allow them access to any of my season tickets nor the 4 standing room only for Sept. 10. Disturbing people.

There Are # Types Of Penn State Alumni & Fans:
1. The PSU Cultists
Mostly Not Alumni could not get accepted, flunked out, just Fan that believe Joe Paterno is a Saint and even Gerry Sandusky did nothing wrong. It was always a Penn State Trustee Mishandled Scandal. In spite of 116 Reforms were needed to correct The Penn State FB Program Paterno Era they think nothing went wrong, is wrong, and all trumped up over Penn State being betrayed hated and hate every Program that ever beat Paterno & Pitt? They will and have been caught in many Nittany Lies to defend JVP even over Penn State University. They cannot understand they are actually the proof there was no Institutional Control and Joe was the problem, Sandusky Crimes just expose it.

2. Penn State Alumni Fan:
They know something went wrong and cannot understand it happen under Paterno Era Football and have no idea about the required PSU 2012 Reforms. They are very upset that their own Great Memories have been damaged but they blame others not Paterno. They know and believe Paterno was the driving force in making Penn State Power Program and helped University expand. They just know Joe was a Great Coach. They will accept that it was Joe got bigger than their University. They still think PSU was always in compliance, never violated any NCAA Athletic Integrity Rules, Big Ten hates Penn State and people are jealous of Penn State?

3. Penn State Alumni Best & Brightest:
They know something went terribly wrong, accepted upon Hindsight that Paterno stayed too long and had no Institutional control over him. The NCAA Monitor Oversight reduced Sanctions (Did Not Remove Them) because of the Penn State 2012 reform are now a Model for all universities to follow and corrected the Paterno Football Era and NCAA agreed to give back the vacated wins. They just want to move on but the Cult Attacks them and the PSU Alumni won't fully believe them. They know Joe was Great Coach but ran a flawed Program, should have retired, and the Reforms are proof Penn State corrected its misdeeds and now should be credited with doing what was right over went wrong. They are and should be proud of Penn State for how it handled one of the Worst Scandals in Football History.

Once the Sandusky Appeal process is over, Civil Lawsuits settled or decided, and trials end game are over. I will post what my narrative is on what Happen based on all I read, talk to others, and know about the Program?