Let's not act like Louisville is some unknown program, they've had 2 coaches for the past 40 years or so, and they're both Hall of Fame coaches with multiple Final Fours and National Titles. Louisville didn't win the national championship because Kevin Keatts was an assistant, they won it because he was an assistant to Rick Pitino.
Gut feeling that its Bryce Drew
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Let's not act like Louisville is some unknown program, they've had 2 coaches for the past 40 years or so, and they're both Hall of Fame coaches with multiple Final Fours and National Titles. Louisville didn't win the national championship because Kevin Keatts was an assistant, they won it because he was an assistant to Rick Pitino.
- as far as Antigua, chack out his performance as a coach in the chsaa. And south Florida. He sucks as a coach. But he can recruit.
I understand Archie's thinking. He got a raise that takes him to $2 million which is around where Pitt would be. He has maybe the best job in the A10, a place where he should continue to elevate his coaching profile until NC State or a program bigger than Pitt come calling (Ind, MSU, Lou, just random examples).
For some, it's more about money. Drew's dad coached at Valpo from 1988-2011. He's currently still the associate AD at the school. Drew the son played there and is currently the coach there. He has a lot of reasons to stay where he's at.
I didn't once say that Valpo was a better job than Pitt. With the Drew background it's not crazy to think he could say no to us. It's not crazy to think it's not the right fit.
QUOTE="Sean Miller Fan, post: 1157958, member: 704"]In Jamie's defense, he needs guys with Texas ties......that said, the fact he didn't bring ANY is telling.[/QUOTE]
I didn't once say that Valpo was a better job than Pitt. With the Drew background it's not crazy to think he could say no to us. It's not crazy to think it's not the right fit.
QUOTE="Sean Miller Fan, post: 1157958, member: 704"]In Jamie's defense, he needs guys with Texas ties......that said, the fact he didn't bring ANY is telling.[/QUOTE]
Some of those are a little misleading.
Marquette has long been a stepping stone, for whatever reason. From Rick Majerus, Kevin O'Neil, Tom Crean, to Buzz Williams.
Gottfried eventually let Bama slide into mediocrity and he was in broadcasting when NCSU hired him.
GW & Washington State aren't great jobs. I dont know what GaTech really saw in Gregory.
Bryce Drew's brother Scott is very religious and has succeeded at Baylor. Granted, Baylor is a private Baptist school, but it looks like he recruits just fine.
Also regarded as an extremely dirty recruiter (link below). Like I said, just a weird fit for Pitt given their public school nature and previous refusal to play dirty on the recruiting trail.
It could absolutely happen, it's a brand new regime, but based on what we know it seems weird.
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I think most of us would take any of the coaches on that list (which includes Howland).
There's a difference in college basketball compared to years ago. More coaches are sticking around at "smaller schools" because they are paying better, there are more D1 schools than before, and many have upgraded their facilities. They can hold out for a job that fits them better; money, geography, etc..
Guys, let's be honest. We are not hiring a P5 head coach. It just doesn't happen that much. I knew that when Jamie left. Those who thought we could are just not realistic. Take a look at the coaches of the Sweet 16 and where they came from:
*Kansas - from Illinois
Villanova - from Manhattan
Oregon - from Creighton
*Oklahoma - a journeyman; UNLV
*UNC - from Kansas (a UNC grad; hired at Kansas as a UNC assistant)
*Indiana - from Marquette
Notre Dame - from Delaware
Wisconsin - assistant promoted
Virginia - from Washington State
Iowa State - Murray State
Gonzaga - assistant promoted
Syracuse - assistant promoted
Four coaches were previous head coaches from a "good" or better programs. We are going to get a coach from a smaller program, and I'm fine with that. MANY coaches start off there. I'd rather have a head coach from a smaller program that had success than an assistant from a big program.
Guys, let's be honest. We are not hiring a P5 head coach. It just doesn't happen that much. I knew that when Jamie left. Those who thought we could are just not realistic. Take a look at the coaches of the Sweet 16 and where they came from:
*Kansas - from Illinois
Villanova - from Manhattan
Oregon - from Creighton
*Oklahoma - a journeyman; UNLV
*UNC - from Kansas (a UNC grad; hired at Kansas as a UNC assistant)
*Indiana - from Marquette
Notre Dame - from Delaware
Wisconsin - assistant promoted
Virginia - from Washington State
Iowa State - Murray State
Gonzaga - assistant promoted
Syracuse - assistant promoted
Four coaches were previous head coaches from a "good" or better programs. We are going to get a coach from a smaller program, and I'm fine with that. MANY coaches start off there. I'd rather have a head coach from a smaller program that had success than an assistant from a big program.
Definitely, but Pitt has tended to want nothing to do with that stuff.
Like I said though, new regime. And, maybe Bryce Drew doesn't have the same recruiting tendencies as his brother, which would render it moot.
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You are right - it is possible it may not be the right fit. But the guy can coach.
Back to the future. Pitt was dirty as anybody in the country when they were landing players like Charles Smith, Jerome Lane, Demetrious Gore, Jason Matthews, Bobby Martin.......
Know who was on the staff for a lot of those guys? John Calipari
Not sure about all of this religion concern. Most of the top high school players in the country play at private catholic high schools. Plus, Valpo is a catholic institution. Pre-game mass and prayer doesn't seem to slow down Notre Dame football from acquiring top talent. Non issue.
Is NC State a better job than Pitt too? On the surface it seems the last 10-15 years you'd think Pitt is way above them? What makes them better. I'm not doubting you, just trying to understand?
As a general point of understanding, I'll say this about program status:
Pitt fans see Pitt succeed and attribute it to Pitt, and then believe that Pitt is therefore a better program whose current status is reflected by wherever it's ranked in the pools.
National media and coaches see Pitt succeed, and attribute it to Jamie Dixon raising the program above its status. The underlying program's pros and cons, however, remain the same.
It's why UConn and Florida are pretty much viewed as non-elite schools now, even after their successes.
The job is the job is the job is the job. It takes a REALLY long time for it to change status, by and large.
Same goes for coaching salaries, as far as I can tell on here. A Top 25 coach at Pitt isn't going to get the same results as a Top 25 coach at UCLA or Arizona or UNC or Duke or Kansas. The guy at the elite/blue blood schools has inherent advantages many coaches could only dream of.
I'm banging the table for keatts. Seems to fit the profile that Barnes described too. Familiar to ACC territory too. I can't see a reason that given Pitts resources they should be able to find out if keatts was involved with the Louisville situation
The religious thing is a non-starter for me. A person can be as religious as they want to be as a private matter, but you can't bring that to you program, unless its a religious affiliated school, which of course, Pitt is not.
-That takes a little time to complete a full check. If he does not go to Pitt, he will end up at a power school quickly assuming everything gets cleared. Just hope it isn't Louisville, we may never beat them with the wrong hire. People will understand how good he is when they see explosive recruiting injected into the Pitt program immediately. This guy injects talent into the NBA. Some are very naive to his ability.
Xavier is same as Marquette... Gillen, Prosser, Matta, Miller. If Pitt was an attractive job, Chris Mack would be all over it.
Sure, I need to be using national titles as a high school coach as criteria for a hire. And national titles as an assistant.
Steve Wojo
Jeff Capel
Orlando Antigua
Ricky Moore
National titles as assistant coach.
Keatts put 10 players in the NBA from Hargrave. And Hargrave is no longer a national power since he left, they are a 2nd rate school. Keatts put 5 players in the NBA while at Louisville. Louisville is no where close to what they were when he was there.
Bill Barton built Notre Dame Prep up from nothing and won back-to-back HS National Championships in the mid-2000's.
What in the world are you talking about? He's been gone two years, they made the Elite 8 last year (after losing in Sweet 16 his last year there) and were a top 20 team this year, but self imposed sanctions (from stuff that occured while he was there) kept them from the tournament and a likely 3 or 4 seed.
The last time Louisville went to back to back final 4s and won a national title was 30 years ago.
Does college count? Keatts took a team that finished 9-23 and lost 4 starters at wilmington. They won the conference the next season as a first year college coach, one of the biggest turnarounds in the history of college basketball. He's coached at Wilmington 2 Years. He has 2 conference titles. 2 coach of the year awards. And almost beat Duke in his 2nd year in the NCAA tournament, coaching Wilmington.
what was unc Wilmington's record before keatts got there. did he improve them? unc Wilmington played duke very well this yr too. the guy is a good coach and recruiter. u don't think so?
He won't speak anymore. MVK is done. He didn't do his research. If Dixon lost 4 starters from a team that finished 9-23, all Pitt fans would here is we are young and need to rebound better. Give me 3 years to rebuild.
Too bad Pitt isn't playing in the Colonial.
Louisville won the national title with guys that came in prior to Keatts arriving. Peyton Siva, Edgar Sosa, Russ Smith, Gorgui Dieng, Chane Behanan. He brought in Hancock and Harrell, two important pieces, but the others did thr bulk of the work throughout the season. It took Seth Greenberg getting fired for him to get Harrell to Louisville as well.
Louisville won the national title with guys that came in prior to Keatts arriving. Peyton Siva, Edgar Sosa, Russ Smith, Gorgui Dieng, Chane Behanan. He brought in Hancock and Harrell, two important pieces, but the others did thr bulk of the work throughout the season. It took Seth Greenberg getting fired for him to get Harrell to Louisville as well.
-Assistant coaching doesn't count. Neither does high school. Neither does recruiting players, 15 total, that are in the NBA, per you. I'm waiting for you to touch on the historic turnaround he did at Wilmington. We are all listening and waiting. Let's also factor in Wilmington had 8 years of losing seasons in a row before he got there and was a conference doormat. Much like TCU basketball.
